Is kid good enough for top 100 D1

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contact happens through intermediaries, or the college coach sends out a letter and camp brochure, usually with a personal note jotted down saying we have seen you play, this camp could be great for you, we can't contact you until junior year, but you can call us any time. here is the phone number.

unpersonalized ones go out to national, regional team or various all star lists. personalized to those a team has interest. not every college recruits this way, but enough do that if you begin getting this type of correspondence from a specific level, you can be pretty certain these coaches feel your kid would be a fit.

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There is a big difference between the top 50 or so and the next 50.

agreed. can sort them even finer. there are competitive bands approximately top 10, next 20, next 40 or so. forget about a top 10 team unless your kid is an athletic regional level player or better.

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Coaches start snooping around teamworks and forekicks in the second winter session around the U14 age. Make sure your kid boots it hard and scores al ot of goals.

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There are NCAA rules that seem to be ignored or the facts of offers grossly misstated. Contact initiated by coaches is extremely limited and certainly not allowed prior to junior year.

There are 1000 ways around that rule and everybody takes it. Take a look at ECNL commits, even DA for that matter. How many ECNL 2018 commits are there already? If it's anything my D's class when she was that age there's probably well over 100 and growing each week. Almost all of her class was done by the time junior year started. How do those commitments come with "limited contact"? Loopholes.

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There are NCAA rules that seem to be ignored or the facts of offers grossly misstated. Contact initiated by coaches is extremely limited and certainly not allowed prior to junior year.

Tell that to this kid - freshman

http://www.topdrawersoccer.com/searc...ea=commitments

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There is a lot of movement year to year. A few have staying power but there is much fluidity year to year. I am not sure Duke was above 80 RPI at the end of last year. My kid singeing to project from the recruits how competitive the team could be when she gets there. Pretty inaccurate. Ucla was bad this year despite a team full of ynt alumnae.

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There are NCAA rules that seem to be ignored or the facts of offers grossly misstated. Contact initiated by coaches is extremely limited and certainly not allowed prior to junior year.

Wrong. You just don't understand the rules.

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Wrong. You just don't understand the rules.

No need to understand the rules - you need to know the loopholes. The coaches certainly do and use them all the time.

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For the younger kids parents - one things the clubs usually aren't telling you ( as would hurt there business). Is much tougher to make a college team (all divisions) then you think. The pool is huge to pick from. Something like 3 percent of hs players make a college team at all.

At the top teams at all divisions ( and d1 is not the only good division it's just the biggest schools ) there are international players fighting for your kids spot- many who really can play including of notional team or close to that level. For those kids d1 for obvious reasons. But also d2 and naia can offer scholarships too- and many top d3 soccer schools are some of the best academically, so the kid from a poor country that's national level can often get a free ride at those schools too for financial need making that attractive to that level of player too.

Our kid is a junior and at all the levels 1 3 naia that he is visiting/camps he is amazed that the very top players at camp ( the only ones being looked at for the most part, or the next level player with top academics) are very very competitive. And that doesn't include other players scouted elsewhere at academy showcase , Nationals , Dallas cup, overseas etc.

Just to share benefit of the reality we're seeing. Easiest way to make top d1 is academy path , as they all go to those schowcases etc, or play for an overseas known academy-better soccer then USA - but at the end of the day the coaches don't care where you came from , can be from the moon, if at camp you dominate the top players.

So if want to play college 1) academics , if good open a up most chances 2) exposure -academy easiest ornither I'd programs- but if not that's fine if you're good enough - but then you gotta reach out too college coaches on your own by phone or email , to build the relationship over time so they care to see you.

Main thing is be with the best coaches that teach your kid right. Doesn't matter the name of the club ( if not top club that they already know nationally) end of day if your kid doesn't have technique touch and smarts (that were taught and practiced) he or she is not gonna be able to compete against academy overseas and all state hs players - even the regular d3 schools is still full of very good players.

Just a reality check - your kid can go anywhere but needs good coaching for younger years and good academics to have best chance. Plan early.

Ps - at college camps there are "camps within the camp" - the coaches pre invite (personally) some players they are watching and then spend lots of time evaluating them at camp. So in a camp of 100 there maybe be 10 or 15 kids on this list give or take. ( they will typically be in the "head coach " group etc. then there is a list within that group - a few of those players ( too young for official visits) may already be on "campus tour" going to class with players meeting coaches etc.

Again the club teams and coaches don't advertise this they want lots of players at club/camps it makes money. Try to get on coaches radar before camp- if not you can still catch there eye but it's just harder / gotta be that much better

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Ps - at college camps there are "camps within the camp" - the coaches pre invite (personally) some players they are watching and then spend lots of time evaluating them at camp. So in a camp of 100 there maybe be 10 or 15 kids on this list give or take. ( they will typically be in the "head coach " group etc. then there is a list within that group - a few of those players ( too young for official visits) may already be on "campus tour" going to class with players meeting coaches etc.

Again the club teams and coaches don't advertise this they want lots of players at club/camps it makes money. Try to get on coaches radar before camp- if not you can still catch there eye but it's just harder / gotta be that much better

Definitely true. Most of the camps are just pad their annual operating budgets. There's a small subset of players they are most interested in. Pick carefully and try to do ones where there is mutual interest/individual invite. Also there could be a coach attending from another school that doesn't have their own camp and that's your best shot to be seen by them (some smaller schools, especially D3s, don't run any camps per se but they shop the others, so check the attending coach list).

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as i have written previously, camps and clinics were the best gauge of my kids ability and coach interest. if your kid arrives sharp and ready to play and impresses, the coaches let them know pretty quickly. if they are pulling them aside during play to speak to them, and following up after the sessions, it is pretty obvious.

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No need to understand the rules - you need to know the loopholes. The coaches certainly do and use them all the time.

What the hell is a loophole?

There are rules - coaches are following the rules, the way they were intended to be followed. Do you really think the NCAA accidentally included the phrase "initiate contact" when writing the rules about coaches and prospects?

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There is a lot of movement year to year. A few have staying power but there is much fluidity year to year. I am not sure Duke was above 80 RPI at the end of last year. My kid singeing to project from the recruits how competitive the team could be when she gets there. Pretty inaccurate. Ucla was bad this year despite a team full of ynt alumnae.

There isn't that much movement year to year in caliber of teams - sure there is a lot of RPI movement, but that is because the RPI is designed to split hairs among teams on the bubble - it isn't really a rating system of who is better than whom, it is a rating system of who (in the eyes of the NCAA) deserves the last few spots in the tournament.

FYI, Duke finished higher in the ACC last season than it did this season. Last season's RPI was lower, but that is primarily because they played a much stronger non-conference schedule this year.

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What the hell is a loophole?

There are rules - coaches are following the rules, the way they were intended to be followed. Do you really think the NCAA accidentally included the phrase "initiate contact" when writing the rules about coaches and prospects?

They use other avenues to contact players, primarily through club coaches. There's lots of other ways as well. Take a look at the list of commits already for sophomore girls. Even a few freshmen already. How do you think those kids got recruited? Coaches know the "rules" and they know the ways around the rules If NCAA wanted to investigate they easily could - it's entirely possible there's gross violations out there and questionable. But soccer isn't on the NCAA radar like big-program basketball or football.

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327 you obviously don't have a kid being recruited before September of his/her junior year. The college coaches aren't permitted by NCAA rules to INITIATE contact with a KID. But they ARE allowed to call or email the kid's CLUB COACH which they do with abandon after every ID/recruiting event or showcase. The club coach then passes (forwards) the communication on to the kid. The communication, either a phone call coach to coach or an email, includes the COLLEGE COACH's CELL PHONE #. The KID then calls the coach. The coach did NOT initiate the contact with the KID he did so with the kid's coach. The NCAA is well aware of the way the game is currently played and is NOT closing the loophole any time soon.
So quit your ignorant commentary implying people are liars because this happens every day and most of us are well aware of it.

By the way if your kid is getting this type of communication after major recruiting events from top 100 school as a freshman, he/she is almost certainly top 100 material0- best indicator. Now if we are talking about a specific school for which a kid really is interested in seeking admission, unless its a top 10 cattle call, the ID camps have their place.