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    RCL is dead !

    Since the emergence of ECNL and DA the standard of the first division teams is at best a mediocre product . Went to a tournament last week where all the usual suspects were playing, to be honest it looked a step below npsl div 1. The league is dead , they may as well just merge with npsl / pspl . As the DA/ECNL teams carry such top heavy squads (up to 20 players who are getting minimal game time ) the , what is now first teams of the big clubs in rcl
    Is made up of 3rd and 4 th teamers . Just kill it now and stop pretending it’s a viable option .

    #2
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Since the emergence of ECNL and DA the standard of the first division teams is at best a mediocre product . Went to a tournament last week where all the usual suspects were playing, to be honest it looked a step below npsl div 1. The league is dead , they may as well just merge with npsl / pspl . As the DA/ECNL teams carry such top heavy squads (up to 20 players who are getting minimal game time ) the , what is now first teams of the big clubs in rcl
    Is made up of 3rd and 4 th teamers . Just kill it now and stop pretending it’s a viable option .
    RCL is weaker, no doubt. But it isn’t that bad. Do you have some tournament scores where RCL teams play PSPL teams?

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      #3
      It is a bit silly that RCL teams are driving all over (especially lower divisions) to play each other while the top tiers of PSPL drive all over to play each other. Take Tri-Cities for example, why would 3 Rivers not play ASE? Instead they both end up driving all over the state. Especially RCL teams. Terry Fisher makes $200k a year though and Stanley Holmes is t far behind so they have no incentive to figure it out.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Since the emergence of ECNL and DA the standard of the first division teams is at best a mediocre product . Went to a tournament last week where all the usual suspects were playing, to be honest it looked a step below npsl div 1. The league is dead , they may as well just merge with npsl / pspl . As the DA/ECNL teams carry such top heavy squads (up to 20 players who are getting minimal game time ) the , what is now first teams of the big clubs in rcl
        Is made up of 3rd and 4 th teamers . Just kill it now and stop pretending it’s a viable option .
        Catchy title but a bit misleading. No one knows the future of RCL, many events can change its outcome. We have seen WYS be vicious to upstarts and this can alter it's course with their next maneuver, Currently it is not dead and obviously has a few hundred teams playing in it for the 2019 season. That may change in the out years, who knows. If you can predict that future then please PM me your stock market predictions so I can be a billionaire as well. :)

        I think what you are trying to say is with the increased number of ECNL and DA teams in our area, the level of play in RCL Division 1 is a mix of first and second teams depending on the age and the season. And the level of play will be variable. ECNL teams still play in RCL for part of the season up to a certain year. So Division one RCL will be the same level of play as before for those age groups and seasons. In the older years where ECNL splits off for half of the season, RCL Division 1 will primarily be second teams and the speed and skill on the field will be at a level of play indicative of a second team.

        ECNL/DA/PSPL also hasn't seemed to diminish the power or problems with WYS. Probably because the RCL clubs help run the WYS and have a vested interest in trying to keep a geographic monopoly. PSPL probably has an opportunity to capitalize on this if they provide a well run structured approach to relegation and promotion with a path to ECNL. But the key is a few PSPL clubs need to get ECNL teams. That would really level the playing field and might be the start of parents migrating to PSPL teams with a path to ECNL.

        For now and the foreseeable future the RCL will be a place to play for hundreds of kids and they will be happy as a clam kicking the ball around regardless of how snobby us parents get about "level of play" and equating it to the death of a league.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          It is a bit silly that RCL teams are driving all over (especially lower divisions) to play each other while the top tiers of PSPL drive all over to play each other. Take Tri-Cities for example, why would 3 Rivers not play ASE? Instead they both end up driving all over the state. Especially RCL teams. Terry Fisher makes $200k a year though and Stanley Holmes is t far behind so they have no incentive to figure it out.
          I agree with the not driving around for competition comment. It has nothing to do with the game or the kids and everything to do with keeping leagues and divisions a float. I also am under the opinion that travelling out of state for tournaments is ridiculous. I think you can convince me that one out a state tournament per year may be a fun experience for the kids but anything more than that is just plain dumb. If level of competition is your argument then your team should be the proven top 1-3 teams in the state that requires out of state competition to challenge the kids. Everyone else is just funding out of state club wallets.

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            #6
            Yeah saw a girls mid level rcl 04 team win the us open cup regionals all against the states best pspl teams this weekend by only playing with 10 players the on Sunday and Monday. Pretty much speaks to differences between rcl and pspl still.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              RCL is weaker, no doubt. But it isn’t that bad. Do you have some tournament scores where RCL teams play PSPL teams?
              My daughter had a practise last week at starfire , a game was going on so I went over to watch a u13 boys game a pspl team (who themselves were not very well organised ) beat pac nw maroon 9-2.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Catchy title but a bit misleading. No one knows the future of RCL, many events can change its outcome. We have seen WYS be vicious to upstarts and this can alter it's course with their next maneuver, Currently it is not dead and obviously has a few hundred teams playing in it for the 2019 season. That may change in the out years, who knows. If you can predict that future then please PM me your stock market predictions so I can be a billionaire as well. :)

                I think what you are trying to say is with the increased number of ECNL and DA teams in our area, the level of play in RCL Division 1 is a mix of first and second teams depending on the age and the season. And the level of play will be variable. ECNL teams still play in RCL for part of the season up to a certain year. So Division one RCL will be the same level of play as before for those age groups and seasons. In the older years where ECNL splits off for half of the season, RCL Division 1 will primarily be second teams and the speed and skill on the field will be at a level of play indicative of a second team.

                ECNL/DA/PSPL also hasn't seemed to diminish the power or problems with WYS. Probably because the RCL clubs help run the WYS and have a vested interest in trying to keep a geographic monopoly. PSPL probably has an opportunity to capitalize on this if they provide a well run structured approach to relegation and promotion with a path to ECNL. But the key is a few PSPL clubs need to get ECNL teams. That would really level the playing field and might be the start of parents migrating to PSPL teams with a path to ECNL.

                For now and the foreseeable future the RCL will be a place to play for hundreds of kids and they will be happy as a clam kicking the ball around regardless of how snobby us parents get about "level of play" and equating it to the death of a league.
                I’ll explain further .... let’s say for example crossfire once had 4-5 teams at u11 then DA/ECNL (sorry can’t keep up with what league they now play in) took the best 15 players , then by u13 the game has gone from 9 aside to 11 the better players that were once second team players have now been added to the da squad to make it a 20 player roster (way too many imo)while the 3/4/5 team players have been left to make up what is now the first team in rcl . To think that has not made rcl div 1 a very weak division is ludicrous. Do snobby parents like paying thousands of $ each year to watch select/ npsl level soccer ?

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                  #9
                  This board is more toxic and uninformed than a gathering of WPFC parents.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    I’ll explain further .... let’s say for example crossfire once had 4-5 teams at u11 then DA/ECNL (sorry can’t keep up with what league they now play in) took the best 15 players , then by u13 the game has gone from 9 aside to 11 the better players that were once second team players have now been added to the da squad to make it a 20 player roster (way too many imo)while the 3/4/5 team players have been left to make up what is now the first team in rcl . To think that has not made rcl div 1 a very weak division is ludicrous. Do snobby parents like paying thousands of $ each year to watch select/ npsl level soccer ?
                    Yes, they have been willingly been paying thousands of $ for their kid to play on the B/C/etc team to get beat by NPSL teams. Saw it last weekend down in Puyallup.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      This board is more toxic and uninformed than a gathering of WPFC parents.
                      Maybe you could inform us with your infinite wisdom ?

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Yes, they have been willingly been paying thousands of $ for their kid to play on the B/C/etc team to get beat by NPSL teams. Saw it last weekend down in Puyallup.
                        And saw at the us open regionals at 60 acres which is for all the top pspl teams get beat by a mid level rcl team with no subs the first 2 games and only playing with 10 players in the semis and final at u15. Rcl team crashed the part short handed and won it all. The skill level difference between rcl and pspl was shocking.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Yes, they have been willingly been paying thousands of $ for their kid to play on the B/C/etc team to get beat by NPSL teams. Saw it last weekend down in Puyallup.
                          To be fair what other choice do they have? You are a parent of a B level player, the kid aspires to be A level and you think the kid has a chance. Put him in a rec team? Of course not, you have to pay just as much as the A team family in order for the kid to have a chance to move up.

                          The system is messed up but for people who aspire to rise, there is no choice. It is a cycle feeding upon itself.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Since the emergence of ECNL and DA the standard of the first division teams is at best a mediocre product . Went to a tournament last week where all the usual suspects were playing, to be honest it looked a step below npsl div 1. The league is dead , they may as well just merge with npsl / pspl . As the DA/ECNL teams carry such top heavy squads (up to 20 players who are getting minimal game time ) the , what is now first teams of the big clubs in rcl
                            Is made up of 3rd and 4 th teamers . Just kill it now and stop pretending it’s a viable option .
                            Depends what your kid's end goal. Viable option for what? College? HS?
                            Maybe kids just want to have fun playing and as parents, you can decide
                            to pay for it or not. Maybe playing in college? Kids and parents need to
                            adjust their goals with realities. Roughly 9% of all hs age kids will play
                            at any level of college soccer. About 2% will play D1. For the vast
                            majority, this is fun recreational soccer ending at high school, unless
                            you play intramural or club soccer in college.

                            So all this barking and biting at each other about RCL or this or that
                            is pretty meaningless. At U15, you should know where your kid is
                            tracking at. It's all good. It is mostly the u-little parents with their
                            U12,13 wunderkids are the most crazy. At U16, you will mellow out
                            and your kid will know where she is at.

                            Even with DA or ECNL, there are some of kids who didn't get recruited
                            or decide not to play in college. No guarantees. So, enjoy the ride
                            and the journey. It will be over too soon.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              And saw at the us open regionals at 60 acres which is for all the top pspl teams get beat by a mid level rcl team with no subs the first 2 games and only playing with 10 players in the semis and final at u15. Rcl team crashed the part short handed and won it all. The skill level difference between rcl and pspl was shocking.
                              I think that may just be a certain age group , as I saw the exact opposite in the boys tournaments . The rcl teams were bordering low level select .

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