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    #91
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Kids today apply to way too many schools. 10-15 schools is way too much. You can visit that many, but weed some out
    Ten is probably the maximum # - a few reaches, a few solids, a few safeties. More than ten is nuts. Unless you got your ACT/SAT freebies to send to your schools, by the time you apply and pay for the test score submissions, you're lookin at at $100/application. It adds up. A lot of schools have supplemental essays too.

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      #92
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      What about academically pretty selective with pretty solid women’s soccer programs that are lower priced? Either D1 and have lower tuition (oos or private) or D3 and give generous merit aid? Does such a thing exist for the girls who don’t qualify for financial aid but can’t afford 50-75k/year?
      Many "academically pretty selective with pretty solid women’s soccer programs" exist. For D3, I think of Center, Gettysburg, Susquehanna and RIT, but many more exist and will provide some merit $ to be competitive with the more selective schools.

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        #93
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Op here - yes $45 K a year merit (the families can swing the rest) and no debt from a very good LAC honors program vs graduating over $100K in debt from an Ivy (because no merit, no athletic and family only qualifies for a small bit of Ivy FA, like $10k) If you're planning on med school as this student is, or another I know for law, yeah that's a deal to consider. Ivies works for the wealthy who can afford it and the ones that qualify for FA. For the rest the math may not work.
        Thinking that the undergrad school one attends does not matter for med or law school is misguided. For either, you need great grades from a good school, to even get in, let alone get into a prestigious school. The kid from a top undergrad school will be reviewed differently than the one who went to a less prestigious school. Also, professional connections in these fields are made in undergrad and certain med / law schools have their favorite undergrads. We may not want to think that this it true, but the med school / law school meritocracy is a myth.

        Also some school prepare you better than other. The education can impact MCAT or LSAT scores, but more importantly the pre-med/law advisers know how things work and help you through the process. For my kid's med school application, her undergrad school had an intense application preparation process which made sure they were doing the right things to have the most favorable application.

        The med or law school one attends as well. Those graduation form lower tier schools have more challenges with finding jobs or residencies after graduation. Start anything as high as you can manage; it pays off in the end.

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          #94
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Thinking that the undergrad school one attends does not matter for med or law school is misguided. For either, you need great grades from a good school, to even get in, let alone get into a prestigious school. The kid from a top undergrad school will be reviewed differently than the one who went to a less prestigious school. Also, professional connections in these fields are made in undergrad and certain med / law schools have their favorite undergrads. We may not want to think that this it true, but the med school / law school meritocracy is a myth.

          Also some school prepare you better than other. The education can impact MCAT or LSAT scores, but more importantly the pre-med/law advisers know how things work and help you through the process. For my kid's med school application, her undergrad school had an intense application preparation process which made sure they were doing the right things to have the most favorable application.

          The med or law school one attends as well. Those graduation form lower tier schools have more challenges with finding jobs or residencies after graduation. Start anything as high as you can manage; it pays off in the end.
          As with soccer, the self-motivated do not need high-priced baby sitters. Plenty of doctors went to state schools. Get the grades, do well on the admissions tests and you are in. As in soccer recruiting, colleges recruit the players not the team or the club.

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            #95
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            As with soccer, the self-motivated do not need high-priced baby sitters. Plenty of doctors went to state schools. Get the grades, do well on the admissions tests and you are in. As in soccer recruiting, colleges recruit the players not the team or the club.
            Full list of undergrad schools for UConn admitted med school 2018, 110 students out of 3,000+ applicants. Certainly not a high proportion of state schools.

            Barnard College

            Baylor University

            Boston College

            Boston University

            Bowdoin College

            Brown University

            Carleton College

            Cedarville University

            Colby College

            Colgate University

            Coll of William & Mary

            Cornell University

            CUNY Brooklyn College

            CUNY Coll of Staten Island

            Dartmouth College

            Drew University

            Emory University

            Evangel University

            Fairfield University

            Fordham University

            Georgetown University

            Haverford College

            Ithaca College

            Johns Hopkins University

            Lehigh University

            Mount Holyoke College

            NJ Institute of Technology

            Northeastern University

            Oakwood University

            Princeton University

            Queens Univ of Charlotte

            Roanoke College

            Sacred Heart University

            Saint Anselm College

            SUNY Stony Brook

            Swarthmore College

            Syracuse University

            Tufts University

            University of Connecticut

            University of Maryland

            University of Massachusetts

            University of Pennsylvania

            University of Puerto Rico

            University of Rhode Island

            University of Vermont

            University of Washington

            Villanova University

            Wellesley College

            Wesleyan University

            Westminster College

            Whitman College

            Yale University

            https://medicine.uconn.edu/about-us/fast-facts/

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              #96
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Full list of undergrad schools for UConn admitted med school 2018, 110 students out of 3,000+ applicants. Certainly not a high proportion of state schools.

              Barnard College

              Baylor University

              Boston College

              Boston University

              Bowdoin College

              Brown University

              Carleton College

              Cedarville University

              Colby College

              Colgate University

              Coll of William & Mary

              Cornell University

              CUNY Brooklyn College

              CUNY Coll of Staten Island

              Dartmouth College

              Drew University

              Emory University

              Evangel University

              Fairfield University

              Fordham University

              Georgetown University

              Haverford College

              Ithaca College

              Johns Hopkins University

              Lehigh University

              Mount Holyoke College

              NJ Institute of Technology

              Northeastern University

              Oakwood University

              Princeton University

              Queens Univ of Charlotte

              Roanoke College

              Sacred Heart University

              Saint Anselm College

              SUNY Stony Brook

              Swarthmore College

              Syracuse University

              Tufts University

              University of Connecticut

              University of Maryland

              University of Massachusetts

              University of Pennsylvania

              University of Puerto Rico

              University of Rhode Island

              University of Vermont

              University of Washington

              Villanova University

              Wellesley College

              Wesleyan University

              Westminster College

              Whitman College

              Yale University

              https://medicine.uconn.edu/about-us/fast-facts/
              What are all of those University of *, CUNY, SUNY .... places? Was there only a single student from each of those schools or did some of the behemoths place dozens of kids or more? Plenty of schools on that list that I never never heard of either and some meh private schools. Looks to me like Amherst, Williams, Trinity, MIT and Harvard are a total waste of money since they are not on your conclusive list of admittees.

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                #97
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                What are all of those University of *, CUNY, SUNY .... places? Was there only a single student from each of those schools or did some of the behemoths place dozens of kids or more? Plenty of schools on that list that I never never heard of either and some meh private schools. Looks to me like Amherst, Williams, Trinity, MIT and Harvard are a total waste of money since they are not on your conclusive list of admittees.
                The list surely has less state schools than one would think. This is the matriculated list, not the application or accepted list. The MIT student did not even apply to UConn, or is she did, it was her safety school and she decided to go to a more prestigious med school. Nothing wrong with UConn med school (great value), but you will rarely see it as the med school of prominent physicians or researchers.

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                  #98
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  The list surely has less state schools than one would think. This is the matriculated list, not the application or accepted list. The MIT student did not even apply to UConn, or is she did, it was her safety school and she decided to go to a more prestigious med school. Nothing wrong with UConn med school (great value), but you will rarely see it as the med school of prominent physicians or researchers.
                  Yeah, just ask them .... again though, you assume there is a 1:1 ratio of students from the colleges presented in the list. How many med students at UCONN are from UCONN? In the grand scheme of things, UCONN is not a cheap medical school either (even for instate it is near $70k), so perhaps students found better values elsewhere (like in their home states or at charitable, private medical schools with far larger endowments). I wonder if many of the "top" medical programs get the students from the "top" undergrad schools because they are the only ones that can afford it. I wonder what the composition of undergrad schools are for med students at UCSF and NYU?!

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                    #99
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Yeah, just ask them .... again though, you assume there is a 1:1 ratio of students from the colleges presented in the list. How many med students at UCONN are from UCONN? In the grand scheme of things, UCONN is not a cheap medical school either (even for instate it is near $70k), so perhaps students found better values elsewhere (like in their home states or at charitable, private medical schools with far larger endowments). I wonder if many of the "top" medical programs get the students from the "top" undergrad schools because they are the only ones that can afford it. I wonder what the composition of undergrad schools are for med students at UCSF and NYU?!
                    PS - Kind of like soccer .... are the top leagues getting all of the top players or all of the top players that can afford it?

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                      My D graduated from Bates this past May. She loved the school although I will say it’s a bit of a pressure cooker socially/academically/athletically. She got significant time her freshman year and started CM rest of time there. I’m a single parent and Bates met 100% of need, daughter wasn’t required to take even the federal loans she was eligible for. I think the school works very hard to be the kind of place they claim to be.

                      Good soccer- we liked the coach as a person but unfortunately she just wasn’t very good. Zero game mgmt skills. Didn’t seem to get the best out of talented players. We didn’t have any issues w roster size or playing time tough. In the end the coach was fired at the end of daughter’s senior year. She really started scapegoating the players and didn’t seem to be able to see her own shortcomings. Sad but made saying goodbye to soccer a bit easier as D was ready for it to be over.

                      She’s at Yale now in a couple of years she will be a Pediatric APRN- her bf (who played on men’s team) got a job before graduation and is working/living in Boston. They see each other every few weekends and both maintain many great friendships. No complaints here.

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                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        PS - Kind of like soccer .... are the top leagues getting all of the top players or all of the top players that can afford it?
                        That is a problem with all US med schools now. Going to med school is nearly impossible for many now. When you graduate you're so deep in quicksand debt you have to go into lucrative specialties to try and pay it off, instead of lower paying GP or pediatrics which is where we need more docs. NYU is doing something different - no bills for med school. That way they will get the nation's best and brightest competing for the opportunity to go to med school for free. Some med schools have programs where you go for free if you work in underserved communities for 5 years. There needs to be a better way.

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                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          That is a problem with all US med schools now. Going to med school is nearly impossible for many now. When you graduate you're so deep in quicksand debt you have to go into lucrative specialties to try and pay it off, instead of lower paying GP or pediatrics which is where we need more docs. NYU is doing something different - no bills for med school. That way they will get the nation's best and brightest competing for the opportunity to go to med school for free. Some med schools have programs where you go for free if you work in underserved communities for 5 years. There needs to be a better way.
                          Yeah there is a better way, we should go after all of these universities endowments https://www.investopedia.com/article...endowments.asp

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                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Some may say Trinity players smoke crack before games. Rumors though. Unconfirmed heresay.
                            I hear that trinity coach is doing great things

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                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              I hear that trinity coach is doing great things
                              You obviously aren't in the know

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                                Trinity used to get a few solid CT kids. Has the new coach even contacted any CT players. I have not seen her or heard from any players that she is out recruiting

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