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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostWhat about academically pretty selective with pretty solid women’s soccer programs that are lower priced? Either D1 and have lower tuition (oos or private) or D3 and give generous merit aid? Does such a thing exist for the girls who don’t qualify for financial aid but can’t afford 50-75k/year?
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostOp here - yes $45 K a year merit (the families can swing the rest) and no debt from a very good LAC honors program vs graduating over $100K in debt from an Ivy (because no merit, no athletic and family only qualifies for a small bit of Ivy FA, like $10k) If you're planning on med school as this student is, or another I know for law, yeah that's a deal to consider. Ivies works for the wealthy who can afford it and the ones that qualify for FA. For the rest the math may not work.
Also some school prepare you better than other. The education can impact MCAT or LSAT scores, but more importantly the pre-med/law advisers know how things work and help you through the process. For my kid's med school application, her undergrad school had an intense application preparation process which made sure they were doing the right things to have the most favorable application.
The med or law school one attends as well. Those graduation form lower tier schools have more challenges with finding jobs or residencies after graduation. Start anything as high as you can manage; it pays off in the end.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostThinking that the undergrad school one attends does not matter for med or law school is misguided. For either, you need great grades from a good school, to even get in, let alone get into a prestigious school. The kid from a top undergrad school will be reviewed differently than the one who went to a less prestigious school. Also, professional connections in these fields are made in undergrad and certain med / law schools have their favorite undergrads. We may not want to think that this it true, but the med school / law school meritocracy is a myth.
Also some school prepare you better than other. The education can impact MCAT or LSAT scores, but more importantly the pre-med/law advisers know how things work and help you through the process. For my kid's med school application, her undergrad school had an intense application preparation process which made sure they were doing the right things to have the most favorable application.
The med or law school one attends as well. Those graduation form lower tier schools have more challenges with finding jobs or residencies after graduation. Start anything as high as you can manage; it pays off in the end.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostAs with soccer, the self-motivated do not need high-priced baby sitters. Plenty of doctors went to state schools. Get the grades, do well on the admissions tests and you are in. As in soccer recruiting, colleges recruit the players not the team or the club.
Barnard College
Baylor University
Boston College
Boston University
Bowdoin College
Brown University
Carleton College
Cedarville University
Colby College
Colgate University
Coll of William & Mary
Cornell University
CUNY Brooklyn College
CUNY Coll of Staten Island
Dartmouth College
Drew University
Emory University
Evangel University
Fairfield University
Fordham University
Georgetown University
Haverford College
Ithaca College
Johns Hopkins University
Lehigh University
Mount Holyoke College
NJ Institute of Technology
Northeastern University
Oakwood University
Princeton University
Queens Univ of Charlotte
Roanoke College
Sacred Heart University
Saint Anselm College
SUNY Stony Brook
Swarthmore College
Syracuse University
Tufts University
University of Connecticut
University of Maryland
University of Massachusetts
University of Pennsylvania
University of Puerto Rico
University of Rhode Island
University of Vermont
University of Washington
Villanova University
Wellesley College
Wesleyan University
Westminster College
Whitman College
Yale University
https://medicine.uconn.edu/about-us/fast-facts/
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostFull list of undergrad schools for UConn admitted med school 2018, 110 students out of 3,000+ applicants. Certainly not a high proportion of state schools.
Barnard College
Baylor University
Boston College
Boston University
Bowdoin College
Brown University
Carleton College
Cedarville University
Colby College
Colgate University
Coll of William & Mary
Cornell University
CUNY Brooklyn College
CUNY Coll of Staten Island
Dartmouth College
Drew University
Emory University
Evangel University
Fairfield University
Fordham University
Georgetown University
Haverford College
Ithaca College
Johns Hopkins University
Lehigh University
Mount Holyoke College
NJ Institute of Technology
Northeastern University
Oakwood University
Princeton University
Queens Univ of Charlotte
Roanoke College
Sacred Heart University
Saint Anselm College
SUNY Stony Brook
Swarthmore College
Syracuse University
Tufts University
University of Connecticut
University of Maryland
University of Massachusetts
University of Pennsylvania
University of Puerto Rico
University of Rhode Island
University of Vermont
University of Washington
Villanova University
Wellesley College
Wesleyan University
Westminster College
Whitman College
Yale University
https://medicine.uconn.edu/about-us/fast-facts/
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostWhat are all of those University of *, CUNY, SUNY .... places? Was there only a single student from each of those schools or did some of the behemoths place dozens of kids or more? Plenty of schools on that list that I never never heard of either and some meh private schools. Looks to me like Amherst, Williams, Trinity, MIT and Harvard are a total waste of money since they are not on your conclusive list of admittees.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostThe list surely has less state schools than one would think. This is the matriculated list, not the application or accepted list. The MIT student did not even apply to UConn, or is she did, it was her safety school and she decided to go to a more prestigious med school. Nothing wrong with UConn med school (great value), but you will rarely see it as the med school of prominent physicians or researchers.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostYeah, just ask them .... again though, you assume there is a 1:1 ratio of students from the colleges presented in the list. How many med students at UCONN are from UCONN? In the grand scheme of things, UCONN is not a cheap medical school either (even for instate it is near $70k), so perhaps students found better values elsewhere (like in their home states or at charitable, private medical schools with far larger endowments). I wonder if many of the "top" medical programs get the students from the "top" undergrad schools because they are the only ones that can afford it. I wonder what the composition of undergrad schools are for med students at UCSF and NYU?!
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My D graduated from Bates this past May. She loved the school although I will say it’s a bit of a pressure cooker socially/academically/athletically. She got significant time her freshman year and started CM rest of time there. I’m a single parent and Bates met 100% of need, daughter wasn’t required to take even the federal loans she was eligible for. I think the school works very hard to be the kind of place they claim to be.
Good soccer- we liked the coach as a person but unfortunately she just wasn’t very good. Zero game mgmt skills. Didn’t seem to get the best out of talented players. We didn’t have any issues w roster size or playing time tough. In the end the coach was fired at the end of daughter’s senior year. She really started scapegoating the players and didn’t seem to be able to see her own shortcomings. Sad but made saying goodbye to soccer a bit easier as D was ready for it to be over.
She’s at Yale now in a couple of years she will be a Pediatric APRN- her bf (who played on men’s team) got a job before graduation and is working/living in Boston. They see each other every few weekends and both maintain many great friendships. No complaints here.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostPS - Kind of like soccer .... are the top leagues getting all of the top players or all of the top players that can afford it?
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostThat is a problem with all US med schools now. Going to med school is nearly impossible for many now. When you graduate you're so deep in quicksand debt you have to go into lucrative specialties to try and pay it off, instead of lower paying GP or pediatrics which is where we need more docs. NYU is doing something different - no bills for med school. That way they will get the nation's best and brightest competing for the opportunity to go to med school for free. Some med schools have programs where you go for free if you work in underserved communities for 5 years. There needs to be a better way.
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Trinity used to get a few solid CT kids. Has the new coach even contacted any CT players. I have not seen her or heard from any players that she is out recruiting
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