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    #16
    It used to be that when a club was good, it rose to the top - cream could rise to the surface. Having USSF lock the Bolts in a position with DAP, without having them earn that position on a year-to-year basis, is actually detrimental to the improvement of soccer in the US..... You can see the bad effects - over at Valeo, great teams are being put together, and the only way now to get those kids into DAP is to break them up.

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      #17
      I give Valeo 2/3 years tops. EW has a track record of switching things up after a few years.

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        #18
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        It used to be that when a club was good, it rose to the top - cream could rise to the surface. Having USSF lock the Bolts in a position with DAP, without having them earn that position on a year-to-year basis, is actually detrimental to the improvement of soccer in the US..... You can see the bad effects - over at Valeo, great teams are being put together, and the only way now to get those kids into DAP is to break them up.
        What reason would US Soccer have to dump the Bolts? They consistently finish in the upper half of the table. It's not like they finish last every year.
        Your hope that they will lose DAP will never happen...

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          #19
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          It used to be that when a club was good, it rose to the top - cream could rise to the surface. Having USSF lock the Bolts in a position with DAP, without having them earn that position on a year-to-year basis, is actually detrimental to the improvement of soccer in the US..... You can see the bad effects - over at Valeo, great teams are being put together, and the only way now to get those kids into DAP is to break them up.
          DAP is not interested in teams - they are interested in players.

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            #20
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Given the growth curve of Valeo and the revenue generating ability of the facilities, Valeo should buy out the Bolts and take the DAP seat.

            Valeo grew 150% last year and that is without the #1 team in U12 and #13. Next year, if they can gather the fields, then they could easily grow another 50%. The younger ages have almost doubled in size since the Fall.
            Growing too fast is not always good

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              #21
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              DAP is not interested in teams - they are interested in players.
              Good team players make good teams. If DAP was just ODP, we'd be losing something

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                #22
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                It used to be that when a club was good, it rose to the top - cream could rise to the surface. Having USSF lock the Bolts in a position with DAP, without having them earn that position on a year-to-year basis, is actually detrimental to the improvement of soccer in the US..... You can see the bad effects - over at Valeo, great teams are being put together, and the only way now to get those kids into DAP is to break them up.
                You are such a fool. At best only 2 or 3 players on those Valeo teams are good enough to be consider DAP qualities. Be careful what you wish for. If Valeo were to get DAP slot 98% of you won't be there.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Growing too fast is not always good
                  Having a top team does not always generate more players. Good players often won't risk coming since they might not get playing time. The best strategy is to have lots of u-littles teams (which is what Bolts, Stars, NEFC, GPS do)

                  Having a top team is a risky thing, the top players leave, you can't recruit other top players and scouts pass you over (you make it look too easy).

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    You are such a fool. At best only 2 or 3 players on those Valeo teams are good enough to be consider DAP qualities. Be careful what you wish for. If Valeo were to get DAP slot 98% of you won't be there.
                    I don't wish for Valeo to get DAP - the club isn't well rounded enough. I'm just stating the principle that competition is good for clubs, and USSF created a situation that lets mediocrity (in coaching and club management) get a free ride. When USSF chose Bolts for DAP, they were playing the top teams in the country at the top tournaments, They're all in DAP now, but the Bolts don't play them - they go to DAP tournaments and play low-end teams, the bottom third, which is way below what the club did at its peak. Hiding behind the DAP logo doesn't change that. Blame it on the Revs if you like, but I'm saying that USSF created an anti-competitive situation that lets mediocrity survive. They ought to change the system.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      I don't wish for Valeo to get DAP - the club isn't well rounded enough. I'm just stating the principle that competition is good for clubs, and USSF created a situation that lets mediocrity (in coaching and club management) get a free ride. When USSF chose Bolts for DAP, they were playing the top teams in the country at the top tournaments, They're all in DAP now, but the Bolts don't play them - they go to DAP tournaments and play low-end teams, the bottom third, which is way below what the club did at its peak. Hiding behind the DAP logo doesn't change that. Blame it on the Revs if you like, but I'm saying that USSF created an anti-competitive situation that lets mediocrity survive. They ought to change the system.

                      The general schedule is regionalized. This season the Bolts will play the top teams in their bracket and those in the Atlantic division (Red Bulls, Phil Union, PDA). Who would you rather play? At this time, across the country, the Red Bulls, and Impact are listed as 2 and 3 in the country. After that PDA, Seacoast, and Oakwood are 16,18, and 19 in the country wide standings. Union and BW Gottschee are 6 and 12 in the wildcard pool. Is that what you call the weaker teams??

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        I don't wish for Valeo to get DAP - the club isn't well rounded enough. I'm just stating the principle that competition is good for clubs, and USSF created a situation that lets mediocrity (in coaching and club management) get a free ride. When USSF chose Bolts for DAP, they were playing the top teams in the country at the top tournaments, They're all in DAP now, but the Bolts don't play them - they go to DAP tournaments and play low-end teams, the bottom third, which is way below what the club did at its peak. Hiding behind the DAP logo doesn't change that. Blame it on the Revs if you like, but I'm saying that USSF created an anti-competitive situation that lets mediocrity survive. They ought to change the system.
                        Wrong. In their regular season. they play MLS clubs such as Red Bull, Union, Montreal, Rev's, etc. That is in addition to tops clubs such as PDA. The USSF has regionalized DAP to avoid excessive travel. You get to pick who you play and there is no upper or lower divisions. There is no comparison to the competition they face now compared to pre-DAP days in MAPLE. It is a whole different league, no pun intended.

                        Finally, there are only two DAP tournaments. One at end of season, where teams are paired off based on their regular season results and one in December in FL, with results that count towards their overall rank.

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Wrong. In their regular season. they play MLS clubs such as Red Bull, Union, Montreal, Rev's, etc. That is in addition to tops clubs such as PDA. The USSF has regionalized DAP to avoid excessive travel. You DONT get to pick who you play and there is no upper or lower divisions. There is no comparison to the competition they face now compared to pre-DAP days in MAPLE. It is a whole different league, no pun intended.

                          Finally, there are only two DAP tournaments. One at end of season, where teams are paired off based on their regular season results and one in December in FL, with results that count towards their overall rank.
                          EDIT "You DONT get to pick who you play and there is no upper or lower divisions"

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                            #28
                            The records from intra-division play don't reflect the real strength of these teams against other regions. Granted - just a look at the score lines for NYRB tells you how the Atlantic division stacks up against a really good team. MI isn't their equal, Seacoast and Oakwood (and yeah - Bolts) aren't going to challenge them. There was a time when the best Bolts age groups seriously contended for national titles- do you think that's still true in any age group?

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              The records from intra-division play don't reflect the real strength of these teams against other regions. Granted - just a look at the score lines for NYRB tells you how the Atlantic division stacks up against a really good team. MI isn't their equal, Seacoast and Oakwood (and yeah - Bolts) aren't going to challenge them. There was a time when the best Bolts age groups seriously contended for national titles- do you think that's still true in any age group?
                              Name a MA club that can play better than the BOLTs in DAP. That's really the essence of your gripe, isn't ? So name the club and lets get down to business

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                Name a MA club that can play better than the BOLTs in DAP. That's really the essence of your gripe, isn't ? So name the club and lets get down to business
                                Rev's....done!

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