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    #31
    Gotta side with the other guy Perspective. Pretty apparent you don't know diddly poop about D1 recruiting so why don't you go start a D3 recruiting thread so you don't always end up looking so foolish.

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      #32
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Then you have nut jobs like Perspective who have monstrous chips on their shoulders because they feel that people look down upon D3 soccer so they who have to elevate everything to do with the D3 level to a unrealistic point so that it appears to be right there on a par with a D1 choice. Rather pathetic actually. This includes recruiting but recruiting at the D3 level doesn't actually happen like it does at the D1 at all so all their efforts to equalize the appearance of things really do is confuse people.
      Responding to your own posts again BTDT. You clearly had another productive Monday.

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        #33
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Gotta side with the other guy Perspective. Pretty apparent you don't know diddly poop about D1 recruiting so why don't you go start a D3 recruiting thread so you don't always end up looking so foolish.
        Thanks BTDT. I haven't try to say anything about D1 OR D3 recruiting, nor have I ever claimed academics is the only important factor. That's actually you BTDT who says no one should play D3 if that's their level because if they are D3 and not getting paid they should just study. And I'm only commenting because I see you started yet another fiction thread to set yourself up to keep posting on this crap ad nauseam. It's amusing.

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          #34
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Then you have nut jobs like Perspective who have monstrous chips on their shoulders because they feel that people look down upon D3 soccer so they who have to elevate everything to do with the D3 level to a unrealistic point so that it appears to be right there on a par with a D1 choice. Rather pathetic actually. This includes recruiting but recruiting at the D3 level doesn't actually happen like it does at the D1 at all so all their efforts to equalize the appearance of things really do is confuse people.
          If we're being honest, BTDT, you would note that Perspective has ALWAYS taken the side that D1 and D3 are different and that his nor many other kids are really D1 level in D3 clothing. You could at least make a fake effort to get things right in your reporting.

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            #35
            What's worse is parents of girls giving advice to parents of boys.

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              #36
              Ill tell you what is worse. Stupid advice. Ever notice how every time questions get asked about recruiting the threads always get hijacked by the same couple of people who have the same "pick the education stupid" advice? It is as though no one else in America is smart enough to figure out how to read a college ranking website and apply it to their children. That is not all there is to recruiting and this is a thread about recruiting.

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                #37
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Ill tell you what is worse. Stupid advice. Ever notice how every time questions get asked about recruiting the threads always get hijacked by the same couple of people who have the same "pick the education stupid" advice? It is as though no one else in America is smart enough to figure out how to read a college ranking website and apply it to their children. That is not all there is to recruiting and this is a thread about recruiting.
                No, it's not really about recruiting at all. It's your 1000th+ thread telling everyone how stupid they are and how they are wasting their money, and that's why you started this thread in concert with bumping your "getting fleeced" thread. Ever notice that all of your threads and posts are always in one direction? To here you tell it, you are the only person on earth who should be playing club soccer, or soccer period.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  With D1 soccer, the ability to play soccer is what dictates whether a player will end up at Stanford or Holy Cross, not their grades or SAT scores. Since both of those schools will end up following a different recruiting time line, that ability then also dictates when a child starts the recruiting process. That is a fairly significant difference between the D1 and D3 levels since the D3 schools all basically are on the same time line and grades/SAT scores dictate where a player will end up.
                  The money is also a huge factor. Even if your player is recruited by Stanford that doesn't necessarily mean that they are going to actually get on the field at Stanford. The amount of money can range from zero to everything and that amount will give an indication of how likely a player is going to end up playing.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    The money is also a huge factor. Even if your player is recruited by Stanford that doesn't necessarily mean that they are going to actually get on the field at Stanford. The amount of money can range from zero to everything and that amount will give an indication of how likely a player is going to end up playing.
                    Almost nothing "necessarily" means anything. But carry on with your TS platitudes and ridiculous examples.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      No, it's not really about recruiting at all. It's your 1000th+ thread telling everyone how stupid they are and how they are wasting their money, and that's why you started this thread in concert with bumping your "getting fleeced" thread. Ever notice that all of your threads and posts are always in one direction? To here you tell it, you are the only person on earth who should be playing club soccer, or soccer period.
                      You jealousy spillith over so now you seem to feel that every thread on this site, regardless of topic, all come down to one specific person and you want to talk about having a narrow focus. That's rich. If you don't like the topic why even bother to open the thread?

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                        #41
                        Hey guys, I'm just a stupid soccer dad with a soccer playing daughter. This thread started out interesting enough , and though there might have been some imaccuracies, there was enough good stuff thereto get a dummy like me thinking. Then you two jerkoffs show up and the whole thread goes down the toilet. Can you two please go meet up at a bar or a boxing ring? The Hatfield Mccoy act is getting old and your selfishness knows no bounds. Get lost, will ya??

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Hey guys, I'm just a stupid soccer dad with a soccer playing daughter. This thread started out interesting enough , and though there might have been some imaccuracies, there was enough good stuff thereto get a dummy like me thinking. Then you two jerkoffs show up and the whole thread goes down the toilet. Can you two please go meet up at a bar or a boxing ring? The Hatfield Mccoy act is getting old and your selfishness knows no bounds. Get lost, will ya??
                          Thanks BTDT, and thanks for yet another fiction. And can you direct us to the interesting part of the thread? Missed that. You started the thread for the express purpose of doing your usual routine. No one wants to hear it (and never did).

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            You jealousy spillith over so now you seem to feel that every thread on this site, regardless of topic, all come down to one specific person and you want to talk about having a narrow focus. That's rich. If you don't like the topic why even bother to open the thread?
                            You just have no clue. No one is jealous of you or your kid. They have more than wished you and her well. What they don't appreciate is your constant presumption that they don't know what they are doing, that they and their kids are wasting their time, and your never-ending thread starting and deceptions/fictions/disparagements/attacks, etc, etc.

                            And you completely failt to get that the reason kids play (and families support them in doing so) has almost nothing to do with college or recruitment or college level or whether they ar good enough to snag scholarship money. Kids who are really good and then flame out or become disinterested or develop overriding interests (and don't play at all in college) don't then regret that they played. Almost none of us participate as part of some "business" decision. And almost no athletes do that in any sport. Even the kids from poverty who play bball and football and D1 full rides don't actually play to get that scholarship. They want to play, and they want to play at the highest level they can. How many in that category do you think could care less about getting an education. The scholarship allows them to continue playing and doing something they are good at in college and then a very, very few of them might become "professionals." None of your arguments or obsessions hold because they simply aren't relevant. You've entirely missed the boat about why the vast majority participate.

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Almost nothing "necessarily" means anything. But carry on with your TS platitudes and ridiculous examples.
                              ^^^Falls into stupid advice category.

                              Here's an almost true story as an example of how the money issue and education value comes to play. A parent has a daughter who is a very good player. A regional team level player who is a very good but not elite student. Very early in the recruiting process Villanova reaches out to them and makes it clear that they are extremely interested in the player. It is a very good fit academically and otherwise for the player. The early feedback through back channels is they are prepared to offer a substantial package which is implied to be north of 75%. The parent cools the discussions with Villanova preferring to look for a "better" situation. The student isn't an elite student so stepping up academically starts to put them into reach situations and practically takes the Ivies (along with the other top academic schools) out of consideration. Trying to jump up from a soccer standpoint begins to put them into the highly competitive conferences like the Big 10 and ACC where the chances of playing early drop tremendously. The parent decides to focus on BC which is also a good fit academically (though still a little bit of a reach) and a step up soccer wise but unfortunately the feedback they get is that they don't have a need at the position the player plays so they would be talking about a minimal package somewhere in the 25% range. You have to recognize though that if the player were viewed to be an impact type player for that level the feedback would have been different and so wouldn't the money. Where does the parent go from here?

                              If you follow either the "pick the best education stupid" or "pick the best program stupid" advice you push to go to BC because it is higher ranked in both categories. Unfortunately the parent doesn't get a lot of money and the player likely sits on the bench a year or maybe even two (which has its own set of challenges). If you take the "pick the most money stupid" approach, you either go back to Villanova or a comparable school like PC or even BU where you might even be able to get a better money deal. Unfortunately there, the level of competition is definitely lesser so after the excitement of starring freshman year wears off the realities of having to be the one of the ones expected to carry a relatively weak team dawn (which has its own set of challenges).

                              A fourth option does exist where you try to balance as many variables as possible to find the best overall fit. Even then this option is not perfect because there are compromises involved and some things are going to suffer as a consequence. It all comes down to how each family weighs them. With this option, you move your focus over to a school like Maryland which is roughly comparable to a Villanova and BU academically, is in a better conference than both of them and BC, but costs a heck of a lot less than all of them (and where you might even be able to get some academic money thrown into the pot). So even if you get the same soccer/money projection from Maryland as you did from BC you still end up close to $60K ahead of the game (likely more because the possibility of merit money) with a comparable soccer experience and education. Unfortunately there the player may also end up sitting for a year or two and then you are now also talking about a really big state school which has its own set of "fit" issues. It is not ideal either but it might work for specific kids/families.

                              The thing that gets annoying about this site is way too many people have fixed ideas and don't want others to even talk about issues that don't match up with their views. This is precisely why we never seem to talk about the fourth option because it doesn't really fit with a lot of other people's fixed ideas about recruiting. The laugh's on them though because Maryland has been getting a lot of girls from Massachusetts over the past several years which should tell everyone that there is a little bit more to all of this recruiting stuff than the closed minded pontificators apparently see.

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                ^^^Falls into stupid advice category.

                                Here's an almost true story as an example of how the money issue and education value comes to play. A parent has a daughter who is a very good player. A regional team level player who is a very good but not elite student. Very early in the recruiting process Villanova reaches out to them and makes it clear that they are extremely interested in the player. It is a very good fit academically and otherwise for the player. The early feedback through back channels is they are prepared to offer a substantial package which is implied to be north of 75%. The parent cools the discussions with Villanova preferring to look for a "better" situation. The student isn't an elite student so stepping up academically starts to put them into reach situations and practically takes the Ivies (along with the other top academic schools) out of consideration. Trying to jump up from a soccer standpoint begins to put them into the highly competitive conferences like the Big 10 and ACC where the chances of playing early drop tremendously. The parent decides to focus on BC which is also a good fit academically (though still a little bit of a reach) and a step up soccer wise but unfortunately the feedback they get is that they don't have a need at the position the player plays so they would be talking about a minimal package somewhere in the 25% range. You have to recognize though that if the player were viewed to be an impact type player for that level the feedback would have been different and so wouldn't the money. Where does the parent go from here?

                                If you follow either the "pick the best education stupid" or "pick the best program stupid" advice you push to go to BC because it is higher ranked in both categories. Unfortunately the parent doesn't get a lot of money and the player likely sits on the bench a year or maybe even two (which has its own set of challenges). If you take the "pick the most money stupid" approach, you either go back to Villanova or a comparable school like PC or even BU where you might even be able to get a better money deal. Unfortunately there, the level of competition is definitely lesser so after the excitement of starring freshman year wears off the realities of having to be the one of the ones expected to carry a relatively weak team dawn (which has its own set of challenges).

                                A fourth option does exist where you try to balance as many variables as possible to find the best overall fit. Even then this option is not perfect because there are compromises involved and some things are going to suffer as a consequence. It all comes down to how each family weighs them. With this option, you move your focus over to a school like Maryland which is roughly comparable to a Villanova and BU academically, is in a better conference than both of them and BC, but costs a heck of a lot less than all of them (and where you might even be able to get some academic money thrown into the pot). So even if you get the same soccer/money projection from Maryland as you did from BC you still end up close to $60K ahead of the game (likely more because the possibility of merit money) with a comparable soccer experience and education. Unfortunately there the player may also end up sitting for a year or two and then you are now also talking about a really big state school which has its own set of "fit" issues. It is not ideal either but it might work for specific kids/families.

                                The thing that gets annoying about this site is way too many people have fixed ideas and don't want others to even talk about issues that don't match up with their views. This is precisely why we never seem to talk about the fourth option because it doesn't really fit with a lot of other people's fixed ideas about recruiting. The laugh's on them though because Maryland has been getting a lot of girls from Massachusetts over the past several years which should tell everyone that there is a little bit more to all of this recruiting stuff than the closed minded pontificators apparently see.
                                You're an idiot BTDT. Almost everyone DOES do your "fourth option" -- "A fourth option does exist where you try to balance as many variables as possible to find the best overall fit." You think families really don't factor in projected playing time and where the kid stands relative that that program? Or that families don't consider what is the best value in their own calculus of factors? It would, as a group, be hard to have savvier parents than the demographic in Mass....and yet you still go on and on. And WHY??? Why is it YOUR issue?

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