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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostNo, but Williams is better than Duke. If my kid chose Duke over Williams she'd be paying her own tuition.
If a kid has the chance to go to Swarthmore or Boston College how does a parent let the kid choose BC? Financial limitation is the only valid excuse.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostNo, but Williams is better than Duke. If my kid chose Duke over Williams she'd be paying her own tuition.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostYou are so tedious. I have addressed your concern about #3 twice in 20 minutes and over a 100 times in the past 2 years. Yes, NOT the majority of D3 players. We're talking about a small percentage, but I'm sure there are at least a few kids every, especially in Mass with our demographic and the whole prep school crowd, where there are offers from schools like Bucknell, Colgate, Lehigh, Holy Cross, Davidson, etc AND top academic D3s where the decision is a close call, and where some of those few may in fact choose a D3 (and very possibly in part because they believe they will play more and have a better athletic career at the D3). BTW, it's also a small percentage overall in terms of qualifying for top D3s academically and athletically. The majority of high school student-athletes do not qualify for those schools on one or both of those prongs.
A few posters are trying to simplify it when in fact the decision process is quite complex. They don't want to admit that or that not all D1 is the same athletically or academically. Others won't admit the same about D3. Both sides feel the need to rip the decisions of young adults if it doesn't fit within their narrative. The adults are acting more childish than the kids making the choices.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostObviously many top D3 are better than many top D1. The top 20-30 schools in the country are evenly divided between D1 and D3. It doesn't take a genius to figure out why a player might opt for an MIT over Northwestern, Duke or even Stanford.
If a kid has the chance to go to Swarthmore or Boston College how does a parent let the kid choose BC? Financial limitation is the only valid excuse.
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Yes, there's a tendency on TS to make blanket statements about what's best for all. It would be better to accept that every individual's situation is different, in ways we don't know, and that is the reason for making different choices.
To the original suggestion about college players being average, the 20 boys that go d1 each year are about 0.5% of the male soccer players graduating from Mass. high schools each year. The 100 or so that join a d3 soccer team are about 2.5%. In that context, they are way better than "average".
On their college team, as in any sport, some play a lot, some not. No one has presented any data that Mass. players are less successful in college soccer than those from other states.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostOooooh, that's not going to be well received here.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostYes, there's a tendency on TS to make blanket statements about what's best for all. It would be better to accept that every individual's situation is different, in ways we don't know, and that is the reason for making different choices.
To the original suggestion about college players being average, the 20 boys that go d1 each year are about 0.5% of the male soccer players graduating from Mass. high schools each year. The 100 or so that join a d3 soccer team are about 2.5%. In that context, they are way better than "average".
On their college team, as in any sport, some play a lot, some not. No one has presented any data that Mass. players are less successful in college soccer than those from other states.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostOooooh, that's not going to be well received here.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostYou are so tedious. I have addressed your concern about #3 twice in 20 minutes and over a 100 times in the past 2 years. Yes, NOT the majority of D3 players. We're talking about a small percentage, but I'm sure there are at least a few kids every, especially in Mass with our demographic and the whole prep school crowd, where there are offers from schools like Bucknell, Colgate, Lehigh, Holy Cross, Davidson, etc AND top academic D3s where the decision is a close call, and where some of those few may in fact choose a D3 (and very possibly in part because they believe they will play more and have a better athletic career at the D3). BTW, it's also a small percentage overall in terms of qualifying for top D3s academically and athletically. The majority of high school student-athletes do not qualify for those schools on one or both of those prongs.
I'm referring to the bigger picture. Not one kid out of 500 players who happened to be that exact scenario you prescribed.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostYou don't even have to go that low on the list of D1 schools before academic and athletic quality starts to slip. There's a huge gray area where things overlap, where the comparisons get tougher. Duke - duh. Obviously tops on both. Central Arkansas? For some Arkansas is a great fit on both fronts. For stronger students it won't be. For all I know it isn't tops for soccer either but it is D1. If the choice is play ok D1 soccer at an ok school vs ok soccer at a very good school, some will chose the latter. If D1 is the end goal for a player, even if it means compromising educational quality, then that's their choice. Some kids will make mistakes they have to correct later on. The vast majority will be just fine from get go and turn out to be happy, productive adults. It's just the first of many choices they will have to make as adults.
A few posters are trying to simplify it when in fact the decision process is quite complex. They don't want to admit that or that not all D1 is the same athletically or academically. Others won't admit the same about D3. Both sides feel the need to rip the decisions of young adults if it doesn't fit within their narrative. The adults are acting more childish than the kids making the choices.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostYou're being tedious. You're talking about a very small percentage of players. Your argument makes so sense and only applies to what? Maybe a couple players?
I'm referring to the bigger picture. Not one kid out of 500 players who happened to be that exact scenario you prescribed.
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The argument is simpler than it has to be.
Is the top D3 school academically and athletically better than the top D1 school?
The answer is no.
Is the top D1 school such as Harvard, Stanford or Duke academically and athletically better than the top D3 schools? The answer is yes.
This systematically trickles down to the entire D1/D3 spectrum.
There are tons of D3 schools no one has even heard of and the education is sub-par.
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Originally posted by Unregistered View PostThe argument is simpler than it has to be.
Is the top D3 school academically and athletically better than the top D1 school?
The answer is no.
Is the top D1 school such as Harvard, Stanford or Duke academically and athletically better than the top D3 schools? The answer is yes.
This systematically trickles down to the entire D1/D3 spectrum.
There are tons of D3 schools no one has even heard of and the education is sub-par.
The top D1s are better than the top D3s athletically. They are not demonstrably better academically.
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