Another national team call up for CFC

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What should I be telling myself?

To what extent does it matter what club? To what extent does it matter what team?

Why would I debate you on ability? Isn't that the real measure to the college coach, in the end?

What is your proof that the kids at the bottom of a CFC United team have a better college choice opportunity that another club's Top 10? Are you aware of all the choices all these kids have before them and why they chose the club they did? How did you get that info from the kids at FSA or BS or OW? How do you even know all the options and choices all the kids had who played for CFC United?


Or are you just making some kind of generalization to reinforce your position?

Its called facts. Follow the history of all the clubs and it'll tell the story.
I'm not sure what you bake in your cookies, but you won't host a college showcase in your basement or backyard. No matter the talent your kid has, she will need the help of a club, club coach, teammates from a GOOD team that will get looked at.
Put down the pipe over there.

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Remember CFCU coaches are all college coaches. Benefits, 401k, decent pay. GDAP not an easy path for them because they prefer to dedicate Falls to their respective colleges.

good point. they really don't have time in the fall to coach a DA team. ecnl works much better with their schedules

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Its called facts. Follow the history of all the clubs and it'll tell the story.
I'm not sure what you bake in your cookies, but you won't host a college showcase in your basement or backyard. No matter the talent your kid has, she will need the help of a club, club coach, teammates from a GOOD team that will get looked at.
Put down the pipe over there.

Your the one on the pipe
The best kids always get looks not just at cfc

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Your the one on the pipe
The best kids always get looks not just at cfc

But if the best kid is a on a cra* team in a cra* league he/she will have a hard time getting seen at all. College coaches only have so much time and $ they can dedicate to recruiting. Yes it can happen but it will be much more difficult. He/she will also wonder why you're not playing in a more competitive league and will probably encourage you to move to one

not the op

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Its called facts. Follow the history of all the clubs and it'll tell the story.
I'm not sure what you bake in your cookies, but you won't host a college showcase in your basement or backyard. No matter the talent your kid has, she will need the help of a club, club coach, teammates from a GOOD team that will get looked at.
Put down the pipe over there.

What story do the CT clubs tell us by their history?

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What story do the CT clubs tell us by their history?

Club, not clubs Riddler.
You post like it's a Batman episode. Your kid will NOT get her true looks (if she's as great as you say with your backyard and basement showcases). Times have changed and showcases are the only game and she needs to play on a good team to be seen. The weaker squads get weaker looks. No unicorns anymore, sir

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So we are going to undermine our national teams by shopping for inferior GDA talent. I find that hard to believe

You act like they are doing well now !! They are full of the same kids form the same teams and backgrounds. No diversity of thought. No feel for the game. I get the honor. I get the nationalistic part of it. But is it really better to collect a bunch of players from all over the USA, to travel to South America to beat up on bad teams ? Does that suddenly make the players, some of who are not at all dominant in their league ECNL or GDA or whatever, great?

Then all of a sudden, by U-17 - 20, the players who never made it and went to play for Mexico, Jamaica etc are giving the chosen ones all they can handle. Why is that? What happens?

Most of this is a con people. Real talent is in short supply.

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You act like they are doing well now !! They are full of the same kids form the same teams and backgrounds. No diversity of thought. No feel for the game. I get the honor. I get the nationalistic part of it. But is it really better to collect a bunch of players from all over the USA, to travel to South America to beat up on bad teams ? Does that suddenly make the players, some of who are not at all dominant in their league ECNL or GDA or whatever, great?

Then all of a sudden, by U-17 - 20, the players who never made it and went to play for Mexico, Jamaica etc are giving the chosen ones all they can handle. Why is that? What happens?

Most of this is a con people. Real talent is in short supply.

Talent is absolutely in short supply. In other countries the coaches and clubs get paid to develop players, they get a cut when they sign pro. Here, the model is backwards. Could you imagine what ages the best coaches in the us would coach if they were to receive 5% of a players contract? You sell 1 good player and you have enough money to find that clubs academy and pay their staff for an entire year. The money involved in us youth soccer kills the honesty in player development.

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Talent is absolutely in short supply. In other countries the coaches and clubs get paid to develop players, they get a cut when they sign pro. Here, the model is backwards. Could you imagine what ages the best coaches in the us would coach if they were to receive 5% of a players contract? You sell 1 good player and you have enough money to find that clubs academy and pay their staff for an entire year. The money involved in us youth soccer kills the honesty in player development.

In US not enough time is spent on individual schools. If you watch a college game many girls still do not chest drop, head the ball properly...

That should be the difference between DA and ECNL but coaches are lazy. They would rather just throw the ball in the middle of the field and watch the kids play. and bs on the side line

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Talent is absolutely in short supply. In other countries the coaches and clubs get paid to develop players, they get a cut when they sign pro. Here, the model is backwards. Could you imagine what ages the best coaches in the us would coach if they were to receive 5% of a players contract? You sell 1 good player and you have enough money to find that clubs academy and pay their staff for an entire year. The money involved in us youth soccer kills the honesty in player development.

I love all the armchair managers that have all the solutions. Pay for play doesn’t hurt development. Size of the country and a plethora of choices for sports and other extracurricular activities does. Not to mention the demand isn’t there which in turn means a US college student would be far better off financially getting a job out of college than playing pro soccer. The disparity is even greater on the women’s side obviously where the pro league here is ready to fold and the league’s in Europe barely pay. No one complains about AAU basketball, lacrosse and travel softball. They are the same models that soccer is based on with similar success patterns and end games. All the non-soccer people love to talk about developing players. What exactly does it mean to develop a player? Teach them skills of the game? Sure. Teach them the fine nuances? Of course. Teach them how to compete and win? Is that not a part of it as well? Even at a young age? The US does a fine job on the women’s side of developing talent. Players now are light years ahead of where they were when Lilly and Hamm played. The competition has just increased. On the men’s side, we are doing ok as well. Not great but it is more a problem of choices. Men’s soccer does not get the top athletes in the country. Period. There are too many alternatives. In Europe they have at most a couple of other choices. The criticisms are just silly an uninformed. The only way to truly improve the NT is by having a school where they train year round. Continuity not mass numbers will result in greater success.

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I love all the armchair managers that have all the solutions. Pay for play doesn’t hurt development. Size of the country and a plethora of choices for sports and other extracurricular activities does. Not to mention the demand isn’t there which in turn means a US college student would be far better off financially getting a job out of college than playing pro soccer. The disparity is even greater on the women’s side obviously where the pro league here is ready to fold and the league’s in Europe barely pay. No one complains about AAU basketball, lacrosse and travel softball. They are the same models that soccer is based on with similar success patterns and end games. All the non-soccer people love to talk about developing players. What exactly does it mean to develop a player? Teach them skills of the game? Sure. Teach them the fine nuances? Of course. Teach them how to compete and win? Is that not a part of it as well? Even at a young age? The US does a fine job on the women’s side of developing talent. Players now are light years ahead of where they were when Lilly and Hamm played. The competition has just increased. On the men’s side, we are doing ok as well. Not great but it is more a problem of choices. Men’s soccer does not get the top athletes in the country. Period. There are too many alternatives. In Europe they have at most a couple of other choices. The criticisms are just silly an uninformed. The only way to truly improve the NT is by having a school where they train year round. Continuity not mass numbers will result in greater success.

Im sorry, but its hard to agree with you on development. You are comparing Hamm and Lilly to current US players. Compare the current US player to players developed elsewhere. Places that started miles behind the US and with a fraction of the resources. No Title 9, no massive Club infrastructure.

Our young players are outplayed by nations who were not even a factor 20 years ago. We are not doing a great job becasue its relative. Asian payers are far better technically than ours. not even close. Some of the countries we have lost to or squeaked by in recent years at youth level - Jamaica, Mexico, Ghana, Nicaragua.

Your comments about European sports are a bit wide of the mark. The best athlete argument is not a good one. Soccer is not a measurables sport like basketball and football can be. The difference in Europe is the culture tends to filter talent long before anything else. Here parents wallets do.

Once upon a time , volume was enough on the womens side. Now, quality is required. Wee dont have enough.

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Im sorry, but its hard to agree with you on development. You are comparing Hamm and Lilly to current US players. Compare the current US player to players developed elsewhere. Places that started miles behind the US and with a fraction of the resources. No Title 9, no massive Club infrastructure.

Our young players are outplayed by nations who were not even a factor 20 years ago. We are not doing a great job becasue its relative. Asian payers are far better technically than ours. not even close. Some of the countries we have lost to or squeaked by in recent years at youth level - Jamaica, Mexico, Ghana, Nicaragua.

Your comments about European sports are a bit wide of the mark. The best athlete argument is not a good one. Soccer is not a measurables sport like basketball and football can be. The difference in Europe is the culture tends to filter talent long before anything else. Here parents wallets do.

Once upon a time , volume was enough on the womens side. Now, quality is required. Wee dont have enough.

We likely have plenty. But if they are not born into upper middle class families, they will never be trained or scouted.

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We likely have plenty. But if they are not born into upper middle class families, they will never be trained or scouted.

The difference in Europe is the culture tends to filter talent long before anything else. Here parents wallets do.

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The difference in Europe is the culture tends to filter talent long before anything else. Here parents wallets do.

Exactly.

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Exactly.

In Europe, soccer is a top-tier sport.

Additionally, in Europe there are often several professional clubs within a 10-15 mile radius.

In Europe, public transportation infrastructure makes getting around relatively easy.

The USA is not Europe. Our youth development won't work that way.