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    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Seems you are struggling with creation of the DA, notably for Girls. That's on you and they have free rent space in your head. Need to let it go and enjoy rec soccer in Oregon.
    Nobody is struggling. Just trying to figure out why it’s been so disappointing from a quality standpoint. Hopefully some good suggestions float to the top.

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      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      $4000? Why is it four grand when boys are free? That ain’t gonna help get better players with higher cost. You probably get less quality players than if it was free. Can’t Timbers afford to pay for it all?
      Do you expect it for free?

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        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Nobody is struggling. Just trying to figure out why it’s been so disappointing from a quality standpoint. Hopefully some good suggestions float to the top.
        I don't know if you have GPS on your smart phone, check it, we live in Oregon and girls soccer is very disappointing from a quality standpoint compared to the Nation's elite. So try and enjoy what we have here, as best you can. Which can be a struggle absolutely, even if you can't admit to the pain.

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          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          $4000? Why is it four grand when boys are free? That ain’t gonna help get better players with higher cost. You probably get less quality players than if it was free. Can’t Timbers afford to pay for it all?
          Are you voting for Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez if she runs for president?

          Who do you think pays for it all if it ends up being free?

          If it is a good product they will get players.

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            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Why would they give up national team to have fun and play in front of their peers? Soccer is not supposed to be fun. Get that through your thick skull.
            None of the GDA Thorns players have a chance of ever playing with the National Team. That's a joke. Talk about a think skull!

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              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Thanks for this history that tells the real story. We agree on something, “being up front”. Playing other sports (not prohibited but nearly impossible as DA comes first) or HS soccer on some bogus waiver is hypocritical and I am not for it. I am supporting my opinion here and in other places and “yes” the DA may just listen to the collective voices out there or not, but especially when they start getting louder from folks like the coach of the N.C. Courage in the article link I posted recently on this discussion board. We will disagree though on a couple points. You state an elite player would not want to play HS Soccer and while I personally agree with this rule for many reasons, many players and parents do not and as a result we see the GDA league with only the very best players. So facts are not on your opinion’s side but they are evidenced in actual facts. This is a real challenge for the GDA because enough folks are not assimilating to the philosophy of this rule and for the betterment of the league to include all the top players, it must be addressed or dilution will reign. Additionally, I fundamentally am opposed to lack of diverse experiences and athletic opportunities in the formative years of 12-17. Even boys in academies in Europe play basketball at night!! The brain and the body benefit from cross training. US Soccer would be wise to figure out how to prioritize some time for this within the structure of “DA comes first” rules. Soo much evidence in support of this.
              This discussion is solely focused on the Nation's top 100 youth players the 'elite' no facts support they want to give up playing on youth national teams or DA so they can be full time HS players for 8 to 10 weeks a year.

              Some may have a feeling or opinion about HS sports. But when push comes to shove the facts show the nation's elite youth choose Nat teams and DA over HS.

              It's documented and no matter your opinion or feeling they haven't walked away from the DA & Nat team to play full time HS instead.

              The facts you would need to supply to support your opinion would be the names of National Team girls who left the program to play HS Full time.

              Club & Country!

              If you can supply this list, you have made your case. All the best

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                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                None of the GDA Thorns players have a chance of ever playing with the National Team. That's a joke. Talk about a think skull!
                Some of them were B team players or bench players on previous club so I doubt anyone has eyes on national team.

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                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  None of the GDA Thorns players have a chance of ever playing with the National Team. That's a joke. Talk about a think skull!
                  Thorns DA player has a cap with the National Team.

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                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    This discussion is solely focused on the Nation's top 100 youth players the 'elite' no facts support they want to give up playing on youth national teams or DA so they can be full time HS players for 8 to 10 weeks a year.

                    Some may have a feeling or opinion about HS sports. But when push comes to shove the facts show the nation's elite youth choose Nat teams and DA over HS.

                    It's documented and no matter your opinion or feeling they haven't walked away from the DA & Nat team to play full time HS instead.

                    The facts you would need to supply to support your opinion would be the names of National Team girls who left the program to play HS Full time.

                    Club & Country!

                    If you can supply this list, you have made your case. All the best
                    Nice try. Until these 100 (.1%) players you speak of play in a league all by themselves, they need competitive teams regionally to play with and against. Maybe not every player or likely other players on their team or area are being invited to National Team camps, but this group of players is not on an island as your comments seem to suggest, and they need a league that commands the top 19.9% of players to want to all play in too. That is not the case now, there is dilution of the top of talent across different leagues. Even if the top 100 girls are ALL playing DA with no feasible commitment to any other activity be that HS Soccer or anything else in their lives, who they play soccer with and against in the GDA (or any league ECNL, USYS) regularly matters for their development. To be a top league you must provide opportunities to develop the best and unless US Soccer starts building an academy residential school for the top 100 to just play each other, you need league rules that avoid dilution of the top 20% of players going to different leagues.

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                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Some of them were B team players or bench players on previous club so I doubt anyone has eyes on national team.
                      So what. They are just kids trying to have fun playing a sport.

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                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Thorns DA player has a cap with the National Team.
                        I think OP was the for the senior national team and not a youth national team.

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                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          I think OP was the for the senior national team and not a youth national team.
                          You see up down? OP down for fun waffle national team for a log of whipping. Not really say? That right meal.

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                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Some of them were B team players or bench players on previous club so I doubt anyone has eyes on national team.
                            You never know.

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                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Nice try. Until these 100 (.1%) players you speak of play in a league all by themselves, they need competitive teams regionally to play with and against. Maybe not every player or likely other players on their team or area are being invited to National Team camps, but this group of players is not on an island as your comments seem to suggest, and they need a league that commands the top 19.9% of players to want to all play in too. That is not the case now, there is dilution of the top of talent across different leagues. Even if the top 100 girls are ALL playing DA with no feasible commitment to any other activity be that HS Soccer or anything else in their lives, who they play soccer with and against in the GDA (or any league ECNL, USYS) regularly matters for their development. To be a top league you must provide opportunities to develop the best and unless US Soccer starts building an academy residential school for the top 100 to just play each other, you need league rules that avoid dilution of the top 20% of players going to different leagues.
                              After the nation's top 100 players (birth year and gender), the next 500 to 1000 players are usually very close in ability , some of this next wave are burgeoning/potential elite level players someday. They of course need to play against this special upper crest elite, this way they develop and get better through competition.

                              US Soccer has the top 100 players in each age and gender identified it's what their scouts do do full time. Having these specials all in the DA is incredible and they (US Soccer) wouldn't want it any other way.

                              The other kids who play USYS or US Club and are not part of the DA, specifically the kids who live outside of DA clubs are identified by US Soccer as well. It's worth noting just because their home state can't earn a DA club, it's not held against them. They still have a chance.

                              The DA is the vehicle that carries all of our nation's most elite youth phenoms, it's been producing college soccer's finest players, USYNT members and MLS american Pros like clockwork for the better part of the last 10 years with the boys. Now the girls are now allowed in the elite car and right away USYNT feature only the Girls DA products and top colleges are chasing the DA girls players in hopes of landing the best of the best.

                              Whether you agree with this infrastructure and operational system of identification of our nation's elite youth. Since it may be matter dear to your pocketbook and heart it means nothing to those in charge running the show.

                              Fly away and enjoy your special time.

                              Let the others do their thing, nobody is bothered.

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                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                Nobody is struggling. Just trying to figure out why it’s been so disappointing from a quality standpoint. Hopefully some good suggestions float to the top.
                                The best players in Oregon played high school soccer last year.

                                I don't know what the thorns can do to bring out better players. Maybe just be happy with what they got?

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