Boys ECNL makes no sense (yet)

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'LMAO'....what a phrase....it usually comes from someone who is about to spout negativity without any real intelligent substrate to back up ignorant statements.

given that all the DA teams (Bolts and Revs) are doing well to very well with the exception of one age group then how do you come up with 'DA is horrible in MA'?

The only way you can claim your statement to be intelligent is if you felt that the entire DA system was useless. Otherwise having a .500 or better record cannot be construed as 'horrible'....given that the U17 teams are not very good....compared to the rest of the DA world.

Not the poster - put NE teams up against many in the rest of the country and the region generally does poorly. Save an odd team here or there teams and players are not as good as in other areas. Proof is in results and in recruiting.

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encl boys soccer is a waste of time and money. it doesn't help the players get better.

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encl boys soccer is a waste of time and money. it doesn't help the players get better.

That's like judging GDA 7 weeks in - would you want that? Too early to tell, but keep at your pro DA propaganda. Do you get paid by the post?

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encl boys soccer is a waste of time and money. it doesn't help the players get better.

ECNL hasn't even started yet but thanks for insights Einstein.

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ECNL hasn't even started yet but thanks for insights Einstein.

it has for the youngest teams. But of course even then it's way, way too early to say. ECNL trashers = DA fearful. More people are questioning the sanity of doing DA, especially at pay-to-play clubs where the coaching isn't as good and you're still spending a lot of money on fees and travel. Performance of the men's NT isn't helping improve the league's image either.

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Plenty of talent outside of DA and there's plenty of non talent inside of DA. Unless you're at a free-to-play DA club you're still dropping serious coin for fees and travel.

There is a simple exercise you can do to answer this banality. First figure out how many D1 scholarships are there for men in this region that are open in any given year. Next figure out how many DA roster spots there are in the overlapping area in any given graduation year. If there is a huge surplus of scholarships out there then the ECNL will serve a purpose, if not then it will be a waste.

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There is a simple exercise you can do to answer this banality. First figure out how many D1 scholarships are there for men in this region that are open in any given year. Next figure out how many DA roster spots there are in the overlapping area in any given graduation year. If there is a huge surplus of scholarships out there then the ECNL will serve a purpose, if not then it will be a waste.

Not a lot of good d1 men's programs around here, nor is there much money in men's soccer regardless. So then you can argue if you're going to do D3 you're definitely wasting your time in DA. DA gives you a leg up into D1, especially top D1, but we have few players that are going to qualify for a top D1 program from around here. Other than a few decent placements from the Revs (many of whom flame out) the placements for Bolts and Seacoast are in the same ballpark as playing HS and high level club. Prep schools often get better placements than the pay to play clubs and the Revs

D1
Ignacio Roitman - FC Stars - Exeter - Boston U
Nathan Plano - Aztec - Reading HS - Brown
Felipe Cypriano - Bolts - Malden - Bryant
Anthony Barreira - FC Stars - Foxboro - Bryant
Sam Hatem - FC Stars - Worcester Academy - Columbia
Cole Venner - Black Rock - Berkshire - UConn
Austin Aviza - Revs - Syracuse - UConn - transfer
Matthew Ranieri - Revs - Nobles&Greenough - Dartmouth
Stephen O'Connell - Black Rock - Berkshire - Duke
Wilhelm Jacques - Bolts - Medford - Duke
Rory Conway - Bolts - Brookline - Harvard
Max Benford - Aztec - Ipswich - Holy Cross
Edi Mujan - Bolts - Revere - Holy Cross
Justin Rennicks - Revs - Hamilton/Wenham - Indiana
Asher Carlson - GPS - NMH - Lafayette
Trey Miller - Revs - Monson - Louisville
Mike Rita - Western United - Minnechaug - UMass
Eli Cronin - Seacoast - Masconomet - UMass
Davis Smith - Dallas Texans - Williston Northampton - UMass
Owen Miller - NEFC - Medford - UMass Lowell
Alex Shterenberg - Revs - Westwood - Michigan St
Nicholas Woodruff - Revs - Attleborough - Michigan St
Jonathan Wolf - NEFC - Worcester Academy - UNH
Adama Kaba - Hammer - St Sebastian - Northeastern
Noah Abrams - Manhattan - Berkshire - Northeastern
Daniel Munch - GPS - BB&N - Northeastern
Jack Roberts - GPS - Nobles&Greenough - Princeton
Ben Ludwick - FC Stars - Acton/Boxborough - PC
Simon Fisher - Bolts - Roxbury Latin - PC
Peter Zecca - GPS - Rivers - St Johns
Edward Walsh - Revs - Westwood - Xavier

D2
Rafael Perez - ? - Tewksbury - AIC
Connor Hicks - Western United - Monson - AIC
Chris Kalil - Western United - Wilbraham&Monson - Assumption
Sebastan Jaramillo - Seacoast - Dracut - Assumption
Hayden Yakola - Liverpool - Nauset - Bentley
Kyle Archambault - Bolts - St Johns Shrewsbury - Bentley
Leon Silva - Blackrock - Berkshire- Lindenwood
Will Buraczynski - NEFC - Littleton - Merrimack
Drew Lovely - GPS - Weymouth - Merrimack
Neil Mahatme - Seacoast - St John's - Merrimack
Cameron Mullins - Bruno - King Philip - Merrimack
Mike Coffey - Aztec - Swampscott - St Anselm's
Matteo Bianchini - Aztec - Winchester - St Michael's

D3
Jack O'Brien - GPS - Milton Academy - Amherst
Dylan Steele - GPS - Brooks - Amherst
Sebastian Royo - GPS - Algonquin - Babson
Quintin DiStefano - ? - Exeter(Wilmington) - Babson*
Blaise Marceau - Bolts - Waban - Bates
Max McPherron - GPS - Nobles & Greenough - Bowdoin
Alex Chaban - Bolts - Brooks - Bowdoin
Andy Manos - GPS - NMH - Brandeis
Chris Russo - FC Stars - Westford - Brandeis
Evan Glass - Aztecs - Masconomet - Brandeis
Noah Gans - GPS - Newton South - Brandeis
Kevin Roberts - FC Stars - Medway - Bridgewater St
Sam Hatley - NEFC - ? - Clark
Alberto Butts-Lee - GPS - Worcester Academy - Colby
Walter Thilly - Seacoast - Winchester - Colby
Samson Heyer - FC Stars - Amherst HS - Colorado College
Justin Miranda - Aztec - Winchester - Connecticut College
Liam Donelan - FC Stars - Milton HS - Connecticut College
Alejandro Winsor - GPS - Wakefield - Curry
Grayson Presutti - GPS - Hingham - Denison
Daniel Milhollen - Bolts - Foxboro - Denson
Ian Logan - FC Stars - Westford Academy - Dickinson
Ryan Horan - GPS - Norwell - Franklin & Marshall
Hagop Kouchakdjian - GPS -Lexington - Hamilton
Jack Fell - GPS - Concord Carlisle - Hobart
Juan Pablo Widoycovich - Blackrock - Berkshire - Hobart
Augie Martini - ? - Lawrence Academy(Arlington) - Hobart*
Jack Herlihy - Aztec - Swampscott - Keene St
Liam Thor - Blackrock FC - Berkshire - Kenyon
Tyler Medierios- GPS - New Bedford Voke - UMass Boston
Mauricio Martinez - Aztecs - Revere - UMass Boston
Justin Burns - GPS - Walpole - Mass Maritime
Matthew Hyer - FC Stars - Groton Dunstable - Middlebury
Jacob LaBranche - Liverpool - Nauset - Middlebury
Marco Kaper - Aztec - Manchester-Essex - Middlebury
Cody Kennedy - ? - Millbury - New England Univ
Tommaso Valagussa - NE Rush - Arlington - RPI
Connor Edwards - GPS - NMH - Roger Williams
Josh Polakiewicz - Aztecs - Masconomet - Roger Williams
Shoyo Yanagihara - GPS - NMH - Skidmore
James Nicholas - FSA - NMH - St Lawrence
Spencer Nagi - NEFC - Westborough - St Josephs College
Colin Grant - FC Stars - Bromfield - St Joseph's(ME)
Brendan Coyle - Aztecs - Marblehead - Salve Regina
Marvyn Dorchin - Seacoast - Belmont - Springfield
Eli Yamuna - GPS - Dover Sherborn - SUNY Cortland
Patterson Malcolm - GPS - NMH - Swarthmore
Jason Meuth - Seacoast - Mansfield - Swarthmore
Jamie Marden - Aztec - Marblehead - Trinity College (CT)
Phineas Santello - Aztec - Arlington - Trinity College (CT)
David Luongo - Benfica - St John's Prep - Trinity College(CT)
Patrick "PK" Kennedy-GPS/Bolts - Thayer - Trinity College (CT)
Quentin van der Lee - Black Rock - Berkshire - Trinity(TX)
Travis van Brewer - Beachside - Minechaug - Tufts
Omar al-Homsi Hernandez - FC Blazers - Bromfield - Union
Poom Mera - GPS - Swansea - Union
Matthias Loft - GPS - Cohasset - Union
Jonah Miles - Oakwood - Drury HS - Vassar
Juan Cedeno - Blackrock - Berkshire - Wentworth
Mauricio Bailleres - GPS - NMH/Culver - Wesleyan
Jeremy Richard - Black Rock - Berkshire - Wheaton
Nicholas Ranieri - GPS - Nobles&Greenough - Williams
Jules Oberg - Black Rock - Berkshire - Williams

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1 Wake Forest (14) 590 2 15-1-0
2 Indiana (10) 580 1 13-0-3
3 North Carolina 555 4 13-2-1
4 Clemson 511 7 11-3-0
5 Stanford 501 6 12-2-1
6 Western Michigan 466 8 13-2-1
7 Michigan State 437 9 11-2-2
8 Florida International 410 11 10-0-3
9 Maryland 394 3 10-2-3
10 Georgetown 387 13 11-2-1
11 Louisville 379 5 10-2-3
12 Southern Methodist 326 14 12-2-0
13 Virginia 295 10 10-2-3
14 Akron 275 19 10-2-1
15 Air Force 255 16 11-1-3
16 Notre Dame 237 12 9-4-2
17 New Hampshire 233 18 10-1-3
18 Duke 224 15 10-3-2
19 Michigan 116 23 9-4-2
20 Dartmouth 110 20 9-3-1
21 Butler 104 RV 9-4-1
22 Seattle 89 25 10-2-2
23 Washington 84 21 10-5-1
24 California 67 17 9-5-0
25 Massachusetts 36 RV 11-2-3

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D1
Ignacio Roitman - FC Stars - Exeter - Boston U
Nathan Plano - Aztec - Reading HS - Brown
Felipe Cypriano - Bolts - Malden - Bryant
Anthony Barreira - FC Stars - Foxboro - Bryant
Sam Hatem - FC Stars - Worcester Academy - Columbia
Cole Venner - Black Rock - Berkshire - UConn
Austin Aviza - Revs - Syracuse - UConn - transfer
Matthew Ranieri - Revs - Nobles&Greenough - Dartmouth
Stephen O'Connell - Black Rock - Berkshire - Duke
Wilhelm Jacques - Bolts - Medford - Duke
Rory Conway - Bolts - Brookline - Harvard
Max Benford - Aztec - Ipswich - Holy Cross
Edi Mujan - Bolts - Revere - Holy Cross
Justin Rennicks - Revs - Hamilton/Wenham - Indiana
Asher Carlson - GPS - NMH - Lafayette
Trey Miller - Revs - Monson - Louisville
Mike Rita - Western United - Minnechaug - UMass
Eli Cronin - Seacoast - Masconomet - UMass
Davis Smith - Dallas Texans - Williston Northampton - UMass
Owen Miller - NEFC - Medford - UMass Lowell
Alex Shterenberg - Revs - Westwood - Michigan St
Nicholas Woodruff - Revs - Attleborough - Michigan St
Jonathan Wolf - NEFC - Worcester Academy - UNH
Adama Kaba - Hammer - St Sebastian - Northeastern
Noah Abrams - Manhattan - Berkshire - Northeastern
Daniel Munch - GPS - BB&N - Northeastern
Jack Roberts - GPS - Nobles&Greenough - Princeton
Ben Ludwick - FC Stars - Acton/Boxborough - PC
Simon Fisher - Bolts - Roxbury Latin - PC
Peter Zecca - GPS - Rivers - St Johns
Edward Walsh - Revs - Westwood - Xavier

How many of these players project to be significant contributors and how many are likely to never see the field?

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D1
Ignacio Roitman - FC Stars - Exeter - Boston U
Nathan Plano - Aztec - Reading HS - Brown
Felipe Cypriano - Bolts - Malden - Bryant
Anthony Barreira - FC Stars - Foxboro - Bryant
Sam Hatem - FC Stars - Worcester Academy - Columbia
Cole Venner - Black Rock - Berkshire - UConn
Austin Aviza - Revs - Syracuse - UConn - transfer
Matthew Ranieri - Revs - Nobles&Greenough - Dartmouth
Stephen O'Connell - Black Rock - Berkshire - Duke
Wilhelm Jacques - Bolts - Medford - Duke
Rory Conway - Bolts - Brookline - Harvard
Max Benford - Aztec - Ipswich - Holy Cross
Edi Mujan - Bolts - Revere - Holy Cross
Justin Rennicks - Revs - Hamilton/Wenham - Indiana
Asher Carlson - GPS - NMH - Lafayette
Trey Miller - Revs - Monson - Louisville
Mike Rita - Western United - Minnechaug - UMass
Eli Cronin - Seacoast - Masconomet - UMass
Davis Smith - Dallas Texans - Williston Northampton - UMass
Owen Miller - NEFC - Medford - UMass Lowell
Alex Shterenberg - Revs - Westwood - Michigan St
Nicholas Woodruff - Revs - Attleborough - Michigan St
Jonathan Wolf - NEFC - Worcester Academy - UNH
Adama Kaba - Hammer - St Sebastian - Northeastern
Noah Abrams - Manhattan - Berkshire - Northeastern
Daniel Munch - GPS - BB&N - Northeastern
Jack Roberts - GPS - Nobles&Greenough - Princeton
Ben Ludwick - FC Stars - Acton/Boxborough - PC
Simon Fisher - Bolts - Roxbury Latin - PC
Peter Zecca - GPS - Rivers - St Johns
Edward Walsh - Revs - Westwood - Xavier

How many of these players project to be significant contributors and how many are likely to never see the field?

That question is not possible to answer. The prior question that can be answered is what is the impact on recruitment that the local DA teams have. Since D1 or national team is a reasonable goal for DA players then we can say, based on the list, that more than 1/3 of D1 recruits came from the Massachusetts DA. On average the Revs and bolts are graduating 8-10 per year. So, more than half of the graduating seniors who are DA players go to D1 schools to play soccer.

That is not to say that the only way to go D1 is through the DA. That is obviously not the case. However since there at least 40-50 U18/19 youth teams in Mass each with ?? 16-18 players then it is clear that DA players are more likely to get into a D1 school.

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That question is not possible to answer. The prior question that can be answered is what is the impact on recruitment that the local DA teams have. Since D1 or national team is a reasonable goal for DA players then we can say, based on the list, that more than 1/3 of D1 recruits came from the Massachusetts DA. On average the Revs and bolts are graduating 8-10 per year. So, more than half of the graduating seniors who are DA players go to D1 schools to play soccer.

That is not to say that the only way to go D1 is through the DA. That is obviously not the case. However since there at least 40-50 U18/19 youth teams in Mass each with ?? 16-18 players then it is clear that DA players are more likely to get into a D1 school.

Actually it's very easy to answer. A poster not only compiles the lists but looks at how much players start the year and end the season with. Really the end of season analysis is a fairer assessment. Start with this most recent class, post #545. While it's still early the op said that not only is this most recent class the smallest, it also had the lowest percentage of players getting PT. In general about 1/3 are playing a lot, another 1/3 an ok amount, remaining 1/3 very little or none at all. the numbers only do down the next year and year after. The odds of playing four meaningful years is low. He does the analysis for each year. The last post on the thread linked below has links to the prior two years' classes (post 547).
2017 thread http://talking-soccer.com/TS4/showth...al+commitments

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Actually it's very easy to answer. A poster not only compiles the lists but looks at how much players start the year and end the season with. Really the end of season analysis is a fairer assessment. Start with this most recent class, post #545. While it's still early the op said that not only is this most recent class the smallest, it also had the lowest percentage of players getting PT. In general about 1/3 are playing a lot, another 1/3 an ok amount, remaining 1/3 very little or none at all. the numbers only do down the next year and year after. The odds of playing four meaningful years is low. He does the analysis for each year. The last post on the thread linked below has links to the prior two years' classes (post 547).
2017 thread http://talking-soccer.com/TS4/showth...al+commitments

Is there any correlation between the amount of playing time and DA? It seems that most of the kids are staying local aside from the Duke (former Bolts coach) and a few other outliers. Is the ECNL likely to change this?

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Actually it's very easy to answer. A poster not only compiles the lists but looks at how much players start the year and end the season with. Really the end of season analysis is a fairer assessment. Start with this most recent class, post #545. While it's still early the op said that not only is this most recent class the smallest, it also had the lowest percentage of players getting PT. In general about 1/3 are playing a lot, another 1/3 an ok amount, remaining 1/3 very little or none at all. the numbers only do down the next year and year after. The odds of playing four meaningful years is low. He does the analysis for each year. The last post on the thread linked below has links to the prior two years' classes (post 547).
2017 thread http://talking-soccer.com/TS4/showth...al+commitments

OK. Let me put it another way. While another might be willing to take all the committed and run through the college rosters and games (depending on how each college posts their stats) to tally how much each kid is playing per game........I am not that energetic. Of course, my perspective might be different on this. I look at soccer as a game that helps achieve goals...figuratively speaking.
Will the DA or ECNL promise playtime? Well if your kid is very very good and would play all the time at BU (nowhere near the top 25) but actually goes to North Carolina, currently ranked number one, and rides the bench, does that mean the local DA or ECNL is worthless? Without some kind of calculation to determine the value of each school and what playtime at Wake Forest is compared to Bryant, how can you use this to decide the value of local youth programs?

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Broader question is that players need to soul search on is what are your goals and aspirations. If you are highly skilled and top D1 is your goal then DA or prep school is the better path. It isn't the only path but definitely a much easier one. But if top D1 isn't your goal and you're likely to go to school in the area or maybe down through NY and PA then you have more options. Lower level D1 and certainly D3 doesn't require DA and there are countless excellent schools in the area. So then you have to look at your club options and find the one with the best training and development. It may or may not be DA depending on what clubs is in your area. But if you're not doing DA it can't be just any club. It better be ECNL or whatever few good NPL clubs are left, and be prepared to hustle more than DA players have to. How important high school sports are to you plays a role too.

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Broader question is that players need to soul search on is what are your goals and aspirations. If you are highly skilled and top D1 is your goal then DA or prep school is the better path. It isn't the only path but definitely a much easier one. But if top D1 isn't your goal and you're likely to go to school in the area or maybe down through NY and PA then you have more options. Lower level D1 and certainly D3 doesn't require DA and there are countless excellent schools in the area. So then you have to look at your club options and find the one with the best training and development. It may or may not be DA depending on what clubs is in your area. But if you're not doing DA it can't be just any club. It better be ECNL or whatever few good NPL clubs are left, and be prepared to hustle more than DA players have to. How important high school sports are to you plays a role too.

Agree with most of this but take a step backwards and think about the clubs that you are identifying in your last sentence. Is it really the league that makes the difference or the club? Also, a few of the clubs that spawned some of these players on that list are just a shell of their former self now, are you really going to promote them equally?