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    #31
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    I'd add another enemy - clubs and the play-to-play system here. ECNL is supposed to be "the best" place to play women's soccer, if you can afford it. Sure there's the odd scholarship here or there but even then there's still travel costs, etc. Like someone said - DAP aint' perfect but it's trying to get it right. ECNL is run for clubs by clubs. DAP tuition is either free reduced, along with an announced for more scholarship aid soon.
    Apparently you've forgotten the number of foreign players the US MNT had to use in order to compete in the last World Cup. The DAP hasn't done any better producing international level players, so I'd be hardly encouraging DAP as a model to follow. Both the boys/men's and the girls/women's programs have the same roots and as a result play the same style.

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      #32
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      The "system" as you call it is nothing more than a money grab so a bunch of unemployable soccer coaches can grab their slice of the American Dream. Has nothing to do with development, just making money.
      Right, just like Wall Street raiders. Raking in millions and all of them own 4 homes.

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        #33
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Apparently you've forgotten the number of foreign players the US MNT had to use in order to compete in the last World Cup. The DAP hasn't done any better producing international level players, so I'd be hardly encouraging DAP as a model to follow. Both the boys/men's and the girls/women's programs have the same roots and as a result play the same style.
        The only way to improve the US is to improve the coaching and the only way you are going to improve the coaching is establishing a coaching school much like the Italians have.

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          #34
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Right, just like Wall Street raiders. Raking in millions and all of them own 4 homes.
          Just because you aren't succeeding at it, doesn't mean that others aren't making handsome livings coaching a youth sport. A lot of these clubs now have full time staffs that get paid pretty darn well. Most of them own homes and drive decent cars so don't paint it like they are barely squeaking by.

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            #35
            There will be a regional training center in March. The national training center program is expanding to a model close to what you describe. This at the direction of rhe USSF

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              #36
              In 2012 USYS listed that they had over 3 million registered players. Add in whatever unique players that aren't dual registered in either USCS or ASO and I bet that there are now close to 4 million youth players in this country. If you charged each a new $5 registration fee and ear marked it for a nt development program that $20 million could build a whole lot of infrastructure so that we could abandon the pay to play model. We have got to minimize the impact of the for profit clubs on this process. Look what they have done to ODP.

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                #37
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Apparently you've forgotten the number of foreign players the US MNT had to use in order to compete in the last World Cup. The DAP hasn't done any better producing international level players, so I'd be hardly encouraging DAP as a model to follow. Both the boys/men's and the girls/women's programs have the same roots and as a result play the same style.
                The concept of DAP is on the right path, where it falls short is in the execution which is exemplified by our two entrants. We have two clubs that overlap the same player pool which doesn't accommodate roughly 80% of the geography in the state. Then one of them is subsidized by a professional team and the other isn't. There are tons of gaps in what that program is able to accomplish because of the limitations created by those facts. US Soccer has to quite playing the club politic game and spread these programs out geographically with much more intelligence to reach more players and get better coaches involved in training our players. Some of the yahoos that are involved in programs like ODP and ID2 are real hacks.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Just because you aren't succeeding at it, doesn't mean that others aren't making handsome livings coaching a youth sport. A lot of these clubs now have full time staffs that get paid pretty darn well. Most of them own homes and drive decent cars so don't paint it like they are barely squeaking by.
                  You are always the ungrateful one, even when everything breaks your way and you have nothing to complain about. Amazing. 15,000+ posts and not a single one with a positive word to say.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    In 2012 USYS listed that they had over 3 million registered players. Add in whatever unique players that aren't dual registered in either USCS or ASO and I bet that there are now close to 4 million youth players in this country. If you charged each a new $5 registration fee and ear marked it for a nt development program that $20 million could build a whole lot of infrastructure so that we could abandon the pay to play model. We have got to minimize the impact of the for profit clubs on this process. Look what they have done to ODP.
                    Lol. $20 million is nothing when talking about a program of that scale.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Lol. $20 million is nothing when talking about a program of that scale.
                      Perhaps $10 then, that should provide plenty of money to get the job done. What we are really talking about is supporting a player group of approximately 12,480 players spread across the two genders and 6 (U13-18) age groups from every state. MA ODP charges roughly $1,500 per kid for what it currently does. That works out to roughly $360,000 for the whole program and we know that MYSA doesn't run the ODP program in the red. That $5 figure actually works out to $1,600 per player so if you want to give the program even more money I'm sure the parties involved could find a way to spend it.

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        You are always the ungrateful one, even when everything breaks your way and you have nothing to complain about. Amazing. 15,000+ posts and not a single one with a positive word to say.
                        Everyone here can see you have an issue with anyone who criticizes the status quo. If you can't see just how broken things are and insist on harassing anyone who questions how and why things work the way they do then that just marks you as a complete idiot. If you don't want to engage in the discussion, no one is forcing you to read the posts here.

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Perhaps $10 then, that should provide plenty of money to get the job done. What we are really talking about is supporting a player group of approximately 12,480 players spread across the two genders and 6 (U13-18) age groups from every state. MA ODP charges roughly $1,500 per kid for what it currently does. That works out to roughly $360,000 for the whole program and we know that MYSA doesn't run the ODP program in the red. That $5 figure actually works out to $1,600 per player so if you want to give the program even more money I'm sure the parties involved could find a way to spend it.
                          You are going to place financing a program for elites on the backs of Ulittles??? And you think the parents of those Ulittles are going to shell out the money willingly when the vast majority look at soccer as strictly recreational?

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            You are going to place financing a program for elites on the backs of Ulittles??? And you think the parents of those Ulittles are going to shell out the money willingly when the vast majority look at soccer as strictly recreational?
                            How do you think MYSA is funded? The answer is through a registration fee that they assess to all of the players in the state that register for either a town team or a club still affiliated with USYS. How many ulittles are even aware that they are paying that fee? The $5-10 is negligible and would go a long way toward ending the pay to play model that is working cross purpose against the goals of the national team.

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Although you don't believe in ODP, it was better than what we have now. The results proved it. At least we didn't have the country club style that we have now. I remember a kid playing for SSS making it to regional and even invited to NT camp through that process. With all respect to those clubs, what is the chance for a player let's say playing for NOVA now to make it to USNT?
                              Nope, not all the best players are playing in one league nor there is one venue similar that at least ODP tried to do.
                              NOVA...are you serious? There is zero chance that someone from NOVA would make USNT. Get real! ECNL and NPL teams are the place to be.

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                Everyone here can see you have an issue with anyone who criticizes the status quo. If you can't see just how broken things are and insist on harassing anyone who questions how and why things work the way they do then that just marks you as a complete idiot. If you don't want to engage in the discussion, no one is forcing you to read the posts here.
                                How many days, weeks, and years in a row are you going to rant about the same thing? Is ANYONE listening to you yet??? Maybe that's a clue, genius.

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