ECNL is it delivering on the hype?

[perspective]

None of it means you actually know how a college coach looks at talent. Given your position others might look at you pov as rather self serving.

The classic bear trap maneuver. First try to dismiss a post by suggesting the poster has no credibility and demanding credentials. Then when the credentials are offered, they are dismissed as actually a hindrance and evidence of bias in terms of credibility.

The folks who have agendas always seem to be the ones who are constantly alleging that everyone else has an agenda, and in a few leaps of logic, that then means their agenda-laden position becomes the correct one by default.

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Raises a good question. What special consideration should be assigned to a DOC's opinion when they are pinning away about how college coaches evaluate talent but don't actually have any college coaching experience and when their club's whole message has been built around players playing at the highest possible levels? Of course it comes across as self serving but does that mean their opinion doesn't have any merit? Both opinions would seem to actually be valid. The issue then comes down to credibility doesn't it?

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Raises a good question. What special consideration should be assigned to a DOC's opinion when they are pinning away about how college coaches evaluate talent but don't actually have any college coaching experience and when their club's whole message has been built around players playing at the highest possible levels? Of course it comes across as self serving but does that mean their opinion doesn't have any merit? Both opinions would seem to actually be valid. The issue then comes down to credibility doesn't it?

Two points:

It is not necessarily true that a college coach would have much experience with how OTHER college coaches evaluate talent. It is entirely possible that the club coach has more interaction with college coaches representing a variety of views than the single college coach.

Also, whether or not it is self serving comes down to an chicken and egg question. Did the DOC position his club to compete against the best competition possible because he believes that that is the what coaches are looking for (and similarly that is what he believes makes the best players), or did did he formulate his "opinion" based on the situation he found his club in.

Ask yourself this - if the DOC believes that getting the best for your players means getting them the best competition, what would he do?

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get lost --- no posters care

The classic bear trap maneuver. First try to dismiss a post by suggesting the poster has no credibility and demanding credentials. Then when the credentials are offered, they are dismissed as actually a hindrance and evidence of bias in terms of credibility.

The folks who have agendas always seem to be the ones who are constantly alleging that everyone else has an agenda, and in a few leaps of logic, that then means their agenda-laden position becomes the correct one by default.

do you ever listen perspective -------- posters are tired of you pontificating over everything ----- no one really cares what you think ------- no one wants to listen to you spout how knowledgeable you think you are on every subject ------ no one -- - get it === no one

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do you ever listen perspective -------- posters are tired of you pontificating over everything ----- no one really cares what you think ------- no one wants to listen to you spout how knowledgeable you think you are on every subject ------ no one -- - get it === no one

Honestly I find him annoying - but not as annoying as you.

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Two points:

It is not necessarily true that a college coach would have much experience with how OTHER college coaches evaluate talent. It is entirely possible that the club coach has more interaction with college coaches representing a variety of views than the single college coach.

Also, whether or not it is self serving comes down to an chicken and egg question. Did the DOC position his club to compete against the best competition possible because he believes that that is the what coaches are looking for (and similarly that is what he believes makes the best players), or did did he formulate his "opinion" based on the situation he found his club in.

Ask yourself this - if the DOC believes that getting the best for your players means getting them the best competition, what would he do?

Think the point was that the DOC is entitled to his opinion just as everyone is. Understanding their bias doesn't invalidate their right to hold their opinion but it does speak to credibility. Some people are going to take what the DOC says and find it completely credible while others are not. There really is no right or wrong because we are talking about opinions not facts. The problems start popping up when people start down playing obvious biases to enhance credibility or start speaking as though opinions are actually fact.

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Honestly I find him annoying - but not as annoying as you.

Quite frankly it seems to be the only thing that keeps Perspective under control. If you don't basically shout him down he ends up taking the discussion in the same familiar direction. All he has to do is stay on topic and people will leave him alone.

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Two points:

It is not necessarily true that a college coach would have much experience with how OTHER college coaches evaluate talent. It is entirely possible that the club coach has more interaction with college coaches representing a variety of views than the single college coach.

Also, whether or not it is self serving comes down to an chicken and egg question. Did the DOC position his club to compete against the best competition possible because he believes that that is the what coaches are looking for (and similarly that is what he believes makes the best players), or did did he formulate his "opinion" based on the situation he found his club in.

Ask yourself this - if the DOC believes that getting the best for your players means getting them the best competition, what would he do?

Sounds sort of like a Holiday Inn commercial. "I'm not really a college coach but I slept at a Holiday Inn last night.."

The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. Level of play helps in some cases and hurts in others. Depends on the level of player and where they are trying to get to.

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Two points:

It is not necessarily true that a college coach would have much experience with how OTHER college coaches evaluate talent. It is entirely possible that the club coach has more interaction with college coaches representing a variety of views than the single college coach.

Also, whether or not it is self serving comes down to an chicken and egg question. Did the DOC position his club to compete against the best competition possible because he believes that that is the what coaches are looking for (and similarly that is what he believes makes the best players), or did did he formulate his "opinion" based on the situation he found his club in.

Ask yourself this - if the DOC believes that getting the best for your players means getting them the best competition, what would he do?

Clearly this guy thinks he knows more than the college coaches who do recruiting for a living.

Who is he to say a college coach has only worked in one system and only has a limited spectrum of experience?

Intent doesn't make an opinion correct.

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Clearly this guy thinks he knows more than the college coaches who do recruiting for a living.

Who is he to say a college coach has only worked in one system and only has a limited spectrum of experience?

Intent doesn't make an opinion correct.

Is that really clear?

Your logic has a flaw - do you see what it is?