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Nothing like this is generally true about Ivy schools re sports. Unless, of course, the point is those schools prioritize academics over sports--which does have the upside of D1 sports not being treated/experienced like a job. If a kid prefers a different balance, or isn't strong enough academically, there's no shame in that--and so no need for obvious, ill-informed parental defensiveness and rationalization.

As part of their recruiting presentation Harvard states up front that the athlete's get no special treatment at all. They are viewed as just another student with an extra curricular activity and get no special consideration nor special resources. Speaking from experience you will find that there always is an undertone from the professors towards the athletes.

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Instead spend a fortune flying your kid all over the country just so you can say your kid is a college soccer player. Can you go bang your drum in another room, you are being beyond annoying.

Truthfully if your kid wants to combine soccer and athletics and do it with more than a casual level of intensity then the academically prominent D1 option will hands down provide them with the most resources to be successful even if they don't get any sort of athletic money. The NCAA's academic requirements at the scholarship levels force the schools to put those resources in place. Remember that they report GPA and graduation success and there are ramifications (loss of scholarships) for having poor results. If you have a motivated student who is also a D1 caliber player most of the schools will literally grease their slide to ensure their academic success because it benefits them to do so. Remember that all of the D1 schools need smart kids to balance off their reporting and offset the real dummies that they end up recruiting. If you pick the situation right they will literally walk your kid to the top of the class because they need their grades as an offset.The key point is your kid must be both smart and motivated otherwise the school will just shunt them down the path of least resistance which often will result in a sub par education.

At the D3 level and in the Ivies you will find that they get none of these resources and in many cases are looked down upon by the academic community for being an athlete. Unfortunately many of the profs will actually go out of their way to make life difficult for the athletes because they snobbishly think they are not serious about school. The academic vs athletics bias is a real situation at most colleges. The D3 coaches are famous for telling prospects that academics come first and they will support the player in these types of situation and let them address their school work but what they don't tell you is that really only applies if your kid is clearly better than the other players at their position. At the college level (at least in a serious program), every practice a player misses gives a teammate the opportunity to take their playing time away. At that level, you don't miss a lot of practices and still hope to play, even at D3. In reality, your student athlete will find that there are few concessions, if any, made for academics by the coaches during the season and even less concessions made by the academics for athletics. If your student ends up with an impossible load of school work and they are scheduled to travel to an away game it all falls down on them to do both. At the D1 level there is usually someone running interference for them and setting out these sorts of problems. Just something to consider.

The secrete to success in life is seeking out and finding situations where others in the group are as motivated or even more motivated for your personal success than you are.

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Instead spend a fortune flying your kid all over the country just so you can say your kid is a college soccer player. Can you go bang your drum in another room, you are being beyond annoying.

Truthfully if your kid wants to combine soccer and athletics and do it with more than a casual level of intensity then the academically prominent D1 option will hands down provide them with the most resources to be successful even if they don't get any sort of athletic money. The NCAA's academic requirements at the scholarship levels force the schools to put those resources in place. Remember that they report GPA and graduation success and there are ramifications (loss of scholarships) for having poor results. If you have a motivated student who is also a D1 caliber player most of the schools will literally grease their slide to ensure their academic success because it benefits them to do so. Remember that all of the D1 schools need smart kids to balance off their reporting and offset the real dummies that they end up recruiting. If you pick the situation right they will literally walk your kid to the top of the class because they need their grades as an offset.The key point is your kid must be both smart and motivated otherwise the school will just shunt them down the path of least resistance which often will result in a sub par education.

At the D3 level and in the Ivies you will find that they get none of these resources and in many cases are looked down upon by the academic community for being an athlete. Unfortunately many of the profs will actually go out of their way to make life difficult for the athletes because they snobbishly think they are not serious about school. The academic vs athletics bias is a real situation at most colleges. The D3 coaches are famous for telling prospects that academics come first and they will support the player in these types of situation and let them address their school work but what they don't tell you is that really only applies if your kid is clearly better than the other players at their position. At the college level (at least in a serious program), every practice a player misses gives a teammate the opportunity to take their playing time away. At that level, you don't miss a lot of practices and still hope to play, even at D3. In reality, your student athlete will find that there are few concessions, if any, made for academics by the coaches during the season and even less concessions made by the academics for athletics. If your student ends up with an impossible load of school work and they are scheduled to travel to an away game it all falls down on them to do both. At the D1 level there is usually someone running interference for them and setting out these sorts of problems. Just something to consider.

Try to pick a story and stick to it. You've been foaming at the mouth repeating over and over that the environment is so watered down that there hardly are any real D1 prospects, and you've gone on and on about how D1 players will get pushed into joke academic majors. At the same time, you hav scoffed at D3, insisting that it is only for very mediocre soccer players who want to put academics first and athletic second. Now, you've somehow managed to invert all of your arguments and say D1 is actually better for academics too and the D3 coaches are going to ride your kid so hard (in what by your account is essentially an intramural program) that the soccer actually will be the focus more than the academics.

You do have some good information to share. Stop spoiling it by feeling compelled to disagree with and put down every poster on the board. You would be an invaluable resource here if you didn't feel compelled to respond to everything through the prism of whatever agenda you're pushing moment to moment.

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Nothing like this is generally true about Ivy schools re sports. Unless, of course, the point is those schools prioritize academics over sports--which does have the upside of D1 sports not being treated/experienced like a job. If a kid prefers a different balance, or isn't strong enough academically, there's no shame in that--and so no need for obvious, ill-informed parental defensiveness and rationalization.

And it's certainly not true for moderate to higher end D3s where athletes often do very well and professors don't view those kids with some horrible pre-conceived bias. At a school like Colby, for instance, the soccer teams have won academic awards for a number of years running.

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As part of their recruiting presentation Harvard states up front that the athlete's get no special treatment at all. They are viewed as just another student with an extra curricular activity and get no special consideration nor special resources. Speaking from experience you will find that there always is an undertone from the professors towards the athletes.

The "special consideration" issue is non-responsive to the selected comments that were countered. As for experience, I can personally speak to that from various angles: your "undertone" characterization is plain false as a generalization.

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And it's certainly not true for moderate to higher end D3s where athletes often do very well and professors don't view those kids with some horrible pre-conceived bias. At a school like Colby, for instance, the soccer teams have won academic awards for a number of years running.

This all about the difference between a student that also plays a sport and an athlete who also goes to school. At the D1 level the intensity level of the soccer is much higher as is the expectations. That is when academics get approached to make concessions and when professors start getting a hair across their butt. When you treat the sport like it is an after school activity no one really gets their noses out of joint unless you can't keep up. The kids at a higher end D3 are all smart and motivated students so that SHOULDN'T be an issue. That is why they are there. They should win awards. Winning an academic award at a place like Colby doesn't compare even remotely to getting the same sort of award at a D1 school. That means the D1 athletes are really busting it in the classroom while holding down a full time job and they should get more recognition for it than the kids from Colby who are functionally only dabbling in the sport.

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This all about the difference between a student that also plays a sport and an athlete who also goes to school. At the D1 level the intensity level of the soccer is much higher as is the expectations. That is when academics get approached to make concessions and when professors start getting a hair across their butt. When you treat the sport like it is an after school activity no one really gets their noses out of joint unless you can't keep up. The kids at a higher end D3 are all smart and motivated students so that SHOULDN'T be an issue. That is why they are there. They should win awards. Winning an academic award at a place like Colby doesn't compare even remotely to getting the same sort of award at a D1 school. That means the D1 athletes are really busting it in the classroom while holding down a full time job and they should get more recognition for it than the kids from Colby who are functionally only dabbling in the sport.

Perfect example of how you ruin/spoil your own potential insightful contribution. Listen, most of us understand that the ultra-elite athlete who plays D1 is indeed ultra-elite and has special and heavy demands. We even get that there are some substantial differences in what they have to deal with. But discuss this realistically and without insulting what other people do and other levels of participation. Can a player ar Colby or Middlebury or Johns Hopkins get a coach to be a little more understanding around a lab that the kid must attend? Sure...but that can still put the kid at a disadvantage with the team, because there still can be 3-4 or more kids fighting for playing time at one position. D3 coaches want to win too. The competition can be just as intense. The players just aren't of the same caliber, but the IMPORTANCE of playing to those kids isn't necessarily less. You are just being insulting and apparently intentionally antagonizing when you insist on using language like "after school activity" and "functionally only dabbling in the sport."

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Perfect example of how you ruin/spoil your own potential insightful contribution. Listen, most of us understand that the ultra-elite athlete who plays D1 is indeed ultra-elite and has special and heavy demands. We even get that there are some substantial differences in what they have to deal with. But discuss this realistically and without insulting what other people do and other levels of participation. Can a player ar Colby or Middlebury or Johns Hopkins get a coach to be a little more understanding around a lab that the kid must attend? Sure...but that can still put the kid at a disadvantage with the team, because there still can be 3-4 or more kids fighting for playing time at one position. D3 coaches want to win too. The competition can be just as intense. The players just aren't of the same caliber, but the IMPORTANCE of playing to those kids isn't necessarily less. You are just being insulting and apparently intentionally antagonizing when you insist on using language like "after school activity" and "functionally only dabbling in the sport."

Well said, and a more mature manner of dealing with your "friend" Perspective.

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Well said, and a more mature manner of dealing with your "friend" Perspective.

Didn't know mirrors could talk. No the guy is making up fictitious allies to support his wild theories. What a clown.

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Didn't know mirrors could talk. No the guy is making up fictitious allies to support his wild theories. What a clown.

Get a friggin grip on yourself.

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Any wins this weekend/

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Any wins this weekend/

Nothing reported...what does that tell you? Scorpions as a club are not ECNL material and not even close to Stars - it's obvious by results across the board.

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Nothing reported...what does that tell you? Scorpions as a club are not ECNL material and not even close to Stars - it's obvious by results across the board.

Would you like to receive the results intravenously and just cut out the middle man?

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I'd love to see a statistical analysis of the length of time W-L-T are posted. I would bet that the L's are posted days later than the W's...HA HA! Plausible deniability!!!

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Any wins this weekend/

They got a tie!!!