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    11v11 @ U11...is this crazy?

    I see more and more brackets on this option for teams. Why are we so quick to going to full field. I personally do not agree with it but would like to hear differant sides on this fastly growing subject.

    #2
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    I see more and more brackets on this option for teams. Why are we so quick to going to full field. I personally do not agree with it but would like to hear differant sides on this fastly growing subject.
    True reason..Club coach looking to make some extra money.

    Reason given to parents...They are so far ahead of the game that their development is appropriate that they see the big field earlier than most!

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      #3
      You're seeing remnants, not an increase.

      NY, for example, and NJ, have always had 11v11 for U11.

      Looking at Jefferson Cup, this is the smallest 11v11 tournament I can remember seeing.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        You're seeing remnants, not an increase.

        NY, for example, and NJ, have always had 11v11 for U11.

        Looking at Jefferson Cup, this is the smallest 11v11 tournament I can remember seeing.
        But the strongest teams do play in the 11 v 11 at U11 tournaments. The 8 v 8 brackets usually have much weaker competition. It really is too bad.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          But the strongest teams do play in the 11 v 11 at U11 tournaments. The 8 v 8 brackets usually have much weaker competition. It really is too bad.
          One problem is at 8v8 if you have a team with a good goalie and fast striker you can win lots of games (the goalie punts the ball, striker runs up, the distance is short to the box, shot on goal).

          If you have enough kids that are fit enough, the full size field makes it harder for one player to dominate play. Plus those kids have another year of learning how to play 11v11. Small sided games are great for practice but they will eventually have to move to a full size field.

          The economics goes both ways. You can rent one full size field and have two 8v8 games on it. Depending on how it is officiated, you could spend less on refs. If you only had 24 kids at the tryout, you can make two 8v8 teams of 12 but only one 11v11.

          For 11v11 maybe they have to pay the coaches more or the tournament fees are higher.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            One problem is at 8v8 if you have a team with a good goalie and fast striker you can win lots of games (the goalie punts the ball, striker runs up, the distance is short to the box, shot on goal).

            If you have enough kids that are fit enough, the full size field makes it harder for one player to dominate play. Plus those kids have another year of learning how to play 11v11. Small sided games are great for practice but they will eventually have to move to a full size field.

            The economics goes both ways. You can rent one full size field and have two 8v8 games on it. Depending on how it is officiated, you could spend less on refs. If you only had 24 kids at the tryout, you can make two 8v8 teams of 12 but only one 11v11.

            For 11v11 maybe they have to pay the coaches more or the tournament fees are higher.
            what about touches on the ball being more important at this age and for development?
            getting fit to run on a bigger field entails cardio and endurance work (which is hopefully added)- but isn't working the ball the best part of having competitive games @ this age?

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              #7
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              You're seeing remnants, not an increase.

              NY, for example, and NJ, have always had 11v11 for U11.

              Looking at Jefferson Cup, this is the smallest 11v11 tournament I can remember seeing.
              how has this worked out for the U12s and up in NY and NJ?

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                #8
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                how has this worked out for the U12s and up in NY and NJ?
                8 v 8 at U12 is still beneficial. Look at this result from the U12 11 v 11 Gold division:

                Finals

                VALEO FC (MA) 0
                NEFC CENTRAL UNITED U12 B 1

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  8 v 8 at U12 is still beneficial. Look at this result from the U12 11 v 11 Gold division:

                  Finals

                  VALEO FC (MA) 0
                  NEFC CENTRAL UNITED U12 B 1
                  what do you mean... ? both these teams are U12 11v11 - they played a close game that would've had the same result regardless (8v8 or 11v11).

                  what does that have to do with the benefit of playing 11v11 on individual development in the long run? or starting at U11? both these teams started playing 11v11 at U12. Granted, they love it. but has anyone got stats on the real consequences for development/individual/player?

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                    #10
                    The most important thing at these ages is coaching and training.

                    Many of the best players in the world grew up with no small sided games options. Small sided games at U11 is a modern development. All of the best graduates of the game in our area grew up playing 11v11 at U11.

                    That doesn't mean that U11 can't be better off at 8v8, it just means that for the right players it doesn't matter.

                    One of the biggest problems is that we're using chronological age and not biological age. What's good for most isn't as good for all.

                    Most of the country is 8v8 for U11. Parts with the most success (NJ, Texas, Southern California) still have a lot of 11v11 at U11.

                    Many just feel if it ain't broke, don't fix it. But the truth is that a lot of these programs (not all) have advanced players, so while 8v8 may in some ways be better, 11v11 isn't hurting them, because they are physically further along than most of the other kids and they are technically better than most of the other kids. And the coaches have a ton of experience and know how to develop players.

                    Don't get lost in the numbers, you're missing a lot of the game if you do.

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                      #11
                      Anyone who believes that 8v8 is about development is delusional. All I heard this weekend was coaches screaming at 9,10 & 11 year old kids. Trying to control every move they make on the field. One coach pulled a kid off the field, pointing his finger in his face, and telling him "If you want to play on this team, you better start pulling your own weight". Didn't look like much fun to me.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        what do you mean... ? both these teams are U12 11v11 - they played a close game that would've had the same result regardless (8v8 or 11v11).

                        what does that have to do with the benefit of playing 11v11 on individual development in the long run? or starting at U11? both these teams started playing 11v11 at U12. Granted, they love it. but has anyone got stats on the real consequences for development/individual/player?
                        oops, you are correct!

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          8 v 8 at U12 is still beneficial. Look at this result from the U12 11 v 11 Gold division:

                          Finals

                          VALEO FC (MA) 0
                          NEFC CENTRAL UNITED U12 B 1

                          this is such a ludicrous statement based on wrong information.
                          First, NEFC has played in a U13 11 v 11 division in the Fall.
                          Second, it was quite a good game with NEFC scoring only on a free kick.

                          Your statement might have been informative if the Stars team had won. They played 8 v 8 in NEP last fall....and came in first (4000 GS points too!!!). Now they are entering into 11 v 11 tournaments and have moved their team up to the U13 NEP as well. They lost to Valeo 3-1. Overall, I don't think there are any conclusions to be made from this result, however, if YOU were a Valeo parent you would be saying that the 8 v 8 format is not so great. Alternatively, if the Stars won, you would be telling me that 8 v 8 was great.

                          11 v 11 or 8 v 8 is a distant second to the coaching and how the game is played. I watched a number of games this weekend at Taunton and saw some U12 teams pass the ball quite a bit with all the kids getting many touches....Valeo, Explosion, NEFC were included in this group. All have been playing 11 v 11. All have good coaches.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Anyone who believes that 8v8 is about development is delusional. All I heard this weekend was coaches screaming at 9,10 & 11 year old kids. Trying to control every move they make on the field. One coach pulled a kid off the field, pointing his finger in his face, and telling him "If you want to play on this team, you better start pulling your own weight". Didn't look like much fun to me.
                            really sad how many coaches are employed for this age who don't understand child development (most likely applying their dysfunctional upbringing guidelines). reminds me of the days of corporal punishment use in schools. Hopefully the licensing boards train a bit on childhood education (but not from the sound of the rants at a lot at the 10 year old games)

                            Good coaches know that players are made at training, not at the ranting during a one-off game-probably frustrated since they know their training isn't effective.

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                              #15
                              even NY plays 9v9 now

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                              NYCSL, under the sanctioning of US Club Soccer, will offer a highly competitive regional based league for U11-U18 teams in the Fall and Spring seasons. The League will be comprised of teams from Westchester, Hudson Valley, Connecticut, Long Island, 5 NYC Boroughs and New Jersey for each gender/age group. The league is structured to accommodate teams that are seeking the highest level of competition. The League is structured to provide participating teams/clubs with the appropriate level of competition, while maintaining a challenging environment for individual and team development.
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