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    #76
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    A reason to be bullish about Weymouth would be if the post about several new players, one over-age and needing a waiver, coming in were true. For now, we have to assume this is the annual "rumor" that someone posts here.
    Cities like Weymouth and FraminghAm are always subject to picking up new players like this every year

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      #77
      Both of Weymouth's all league kids have graduated. The issue with Weymouth will be who can score goals. The leading scorer graduated and the 2nd leading scorer is not playing in the fall due to hockey. They should be strong in the back, although they lost their CB and GK so who knows.

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        #78
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Both of Weymouth's all league kids have graduated. The issue with Weymouth will be who can score goals. The leading scorer graduated and the 2nd leading scorer is not playing in the fall due to hockey. They should be strong in the back, although they lost their CB and GK so who knows.
        Poor team chemistry has been a bigger problem than lack of goal scoring. If the coach can fix this the wins will come at s higher level than the past couple of seasons. Given who some of the "leaders" are expected to be, unfortunately the it looks like it may be more of the same

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          #79
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Poor team chemistry has been a bigger problem than lack of goal scoring. If the coach can fix this the wins will come at s higher level than the past couple of seasons. Given who some of the "leaders" are expected to be, unfortunately the it looks like it may be more of the same
          Hate to beat a dead horse but the big difference in players now vs the past is players now feel its ok if they lose or tie as long as they played well rather than back in the "glory days" if you won you played well and if you lost or tied it wasn't good enough and you were expecting some hardass trainings to correct the mistakes....

          Biggest issue with the coach is he is so soft, I have yet to see him rip into any players during games or post games. That role has been left to the assistant coaches but players seemingly have sensed a softness which is where the change of attitude has come in. after a bad loss they don't run, they don't have punishments, they get a easy session or the day off and then "talk" about it. Glory day reference from when I played in 2003 if we lost we ran and ran and ran and ran

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            #80
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Poor team chemistry has been a bigger problem than lack of goal scoring. If the coach can fix this the wins will come at s higher level than the past couple of seasons. Given who some of the "leaders" are expected to be, unfortunately the it looks like it may be more of the same
            Weymouth is so soft on the field. Braintree will abuse them.

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              #81
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Hate to beat a dead horse but the big difference in players now vs the past is players now feel its ok if they lose or tie as long as they played well rather than back in the "glory days" if you won you played well and if you lost or tied it wasn't good enough and you were expecting some hardass trainings to correct the mistakes....

              Biggest issue with the coach is he is so soft, I have yet to see him rip into any players during games or post games. That role has been left to the assistant coaches but players seemingly have sensed a softness which is where the change of attitude has come in. after a bad loss they don't run, they don't have punishments, they get a easy session or the day off and then "talk" about it. Glory day reference from when I played in 2003 if we lost we ran and ran and ran and ran
              Agree the issue may not be "chemistry " but the "how did I play?" vs "did we win?" as the benchmark for success. Many of these returning players focus on individual performance above all else This is where club soccer may not be helpful.

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                #82
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                A reason to be bullish about Weymouth would be if the post about several new players, one over-age and needing a waiver, coming in were true. For now, we have to assume this is the annual "rumor" that someone posts here.
                No idea about the player? I am curious of what the age limit is? Never heard that before.

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                  #83
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  No idea about the player? I am curious of what the age limit is? Never heard that before.
                  MIAA has an age limit, something like can't be 19 before September 1. If a student reaches the threshold age before the cut-off date, they have to apply for a waiver from the rule. Such waivers are routinely granted.

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                    #84
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    MIAA has an age limit, something like can't be 19 before September 1. If a student reaches the threshold age before the cut-off date, they have to apply for a waiver from the rule. Such waivers are routinely granted.
                    These players can be a difference maker. Sharon won a state title several years ago with a 21 year old striker.

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                      #85
                      To be fair to the Weymouth coach. When he's had the talent the team has made deep runs. Maybe he doesn't push them farther then expected but I don't think he's the problem. There has been a clear drop off in talent the past couple seasons.

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                        #86
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        To be fair to the Weymouth coach. When he's had the talent the team has made deep runs. Maybe he doesn't push them farther then expected but I don't think he's the problem. There has been a clear drop off in talent the past couple seasons.
                        So basically if he doesn't have talent he can't win? doesn't sound like that great of a coach if he can't push and motivate his players to work hard and improve to make up for the lack of talent the past few years. What makes a coach great is being able to more with less.

                        Perfect example already stated above is players have had attitude issues and think its ok to lose if they play well. That right there if true is a huge reflection on leadership and the message he instills into the team. Do you think Shoff or Brock would be ok if they lost a game to an inferior opponent even if they played well? absolutely not. the program has lost its identity under the current coach and that's something that desperately needs to change.

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                          #87
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          So basically if he doesn't have talent he can't win? doesn't sound like that great of a coach if he can't push and motivate his players to work hard and improve to make up for the lack of talent the past few years. What makes a coach great is being able to more with less.

                          Perfect example already stated above is players have had attitude issues and think its ok to lose if they play well. That right there if true is a huge reflection on leadership and the message he instills into the team. Do you think Shoff or Brock would be ok if they lost a game to an inferior opponent even if they played well? absolutely not. the program has lost its identity under the current coach and that's something that desperately needs to change.
                          I wasn't making the argument that he was a great coach. It doesn't take a genius to realize he's not on Shoff's level. But I also don't think he's a bad coach.

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                            #88
                            The old saying applies: a good coach is one that can take her players and beat your team, and take your players and beat her team.

                            Most of what we call a good coach is an average coach who has been fortunate to catch an above-average run of players. Especially among high schools like those in the BSC, in which they can't recruit for athletics.

                            MIAA soccer committee believes that size of enrollment has a significant bearing on a team's ability, because on that basis they have created 4 divisions. If you believe in divisions, then a school like Weymouth, with over 1,000 boys, should AVERAGE OVER TIME being the 4th-5th best team in the South (behind Brockton, BC and New Bedford, about equal with Durfee of Fall River). That's right on the border of being a losing south quarterfinalist (effectively teams 5-8) and a winning south quarterfinalist (teams 1-4).

                            For Weymouth, objectively then, whenever they are eliminated before the south quarters, it's a bad year. Whenever they are eliminated in the south quarters, it's perhaps unfortunate, but only a problem if it becomes repetitive. And whenever they surpass the south quarters, it's a successful year. The history on MIAA's site shows:
                            2015: eliminated in south quarters = ? (better than the prior 2 years; 2nd-farthest advance of the last 5 years)
                            2014: eliminated before south quarters = bad year
                            2013: eliminated before south quarters = bad year
                            2012: eliminated in south final = successful year
                            2011: eliminated before south quarters = bad year

                            Don't dissect each individual year, because you have to look at it over time, with more data points. If we listed the 10-20 years prior to those above, it would show that Weymouth's had a healthy proportion of "successful" years. But when they reached the South semis several years in a row, it was probably because they hit a good run of players, not because of a superior coach. And by not getting past the south quarters in 4 of the past 5 years, it's probably because they've hit a run where they didn't have quite as talented players, not because of an inferior coach.

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                              #89
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              The old saying applies: a good coach is one that can take her players and beat your team, and take your players and beat her team.

                              Most of what we call a good coach is an average coach who has been fortunate to catch an above-average run of players. Especially among high schools like those in the BSC, in which they can't recruit for athletics.

                              MIAA soccer committee believes that size of enrollment has a significant bearing on a team's ability, because on that basis they have created 4 divisions. If you believe in divisions, then a school like Weymouth, with over 1,000 boys, should AVERAGE OVER TIME being the 4th-5th best team in the South (behind Brockton, BC and New Bedford, about equal with Durfee of Fall River). That's right on the border of being a losing south quarterfinalist (effectively teams 5-8) and a winning south quarterfinalist (teams 1-4).

                              For Weymouth, objectively then, whenever they are eliminated before the south quarters, it's a bad year. Whenever they are eliminated in the south quarters, it's perhaps unfortunate, but only a problem if it becomes repetitive. And whenever they surpass the south quarters, it's a successful year. The history on MIAA's site shows:
                              2015: eliminated in south quarters = ? (better than the prior 2 years; 2nd-farthest advance of the last 5 years)
                              2014: eliminated before south quarters = bad year
                              2013: eliminated before south quarters = bad year
                              2012: eliminated in south final = successful year
                              2011: eliminated before south quarters = bad year

                              Don't dissect each individual year, because you have to look at it over time, with more data points. If we listed the 10-20 years prior to those above, it would show that Weymouth's had a healthy proportion of "successful" years. But when they reached the South semis several years in a row, it was probably because they hit a good run of players, not because of a superior coach. And by not getting past the south quarters in 4 of the past 5 years, it's probably because they've hit a run where they didn't have quite as talented players, not because of an inferior coach.
                              Reaching the South Sectional Semi Finals every single season from 1990-2007 would not be considered a run of good players. There has to be a hell of a lot of credit given to the coach who built and inspired the program from 1990-2007. I bet there were years where they were middle of pack with talent and still made a quality run. If your trying to compare the coach of the past one of the all time greats up there with DB of Needham then you are absolutely crazy and have zero knowledge of the past and present day Weymouth soccer program. A good year for Weymouth is reaching the semi's and fighting for a D1 south title. A bad year is anything less than that. It's that simple. They have had way too many bad years since 2010 which was most likely the last group which was influenced by SS.

                              Lets be real you can't even compare the two coaches

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                                #90
                                How Many Starters do teams Return to the best of peoples knowledge?

                                Braintree?
                                Needham?
                                Weymouth?
                                Brookline?
                                Framingham?
                                Wellesley?
                                Natick?
                                Walpole?
                                Milton?

                                Just curious to how returning players could impact this upcoming season... Also did any teams lose players to Academy?

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