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    #31
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    The amusing thing about this thread is when the GDA was announced much of the criticism was that it was too big with too many overlapping clubs which would water down the quality of the player pool, now that things are shaping up and clubs selecting themselves out that is being presented as some sort of failure. I think the reality is having one club in states like ME, MA, and CT is good thing for the players that choose that development path.
    Good point, makes the league more exclusive and eliminates the water down effect. That said, not sure it’s worth the miles or cost. Maybe offering more training time and fewer games is the answer. What were you really gaining by playing games against sub par teams. Good to have choices

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      #32
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      GDA is not perfect. None of the leagues are. The families who joined GDA should have always focused on the training, not the competitions.The GDA has always been about doing what it takes to become the best possible player. The GDA offers more training with a higher quality training pool than the competitors. That's the true value of what they are getting into, not the frequent flyer miles to far flung games. The posters here who want to make the discussions about the competitions unquestionably have their own agenda. Likely they are either pro ECNL or pro small local club and fear losing their top end players to GDA which is why you have the constant drum beat against it. The fact is if you have a true GDA quality player there is always going to be some level of expense. You cannot escape the costs and giving your player what they need in order to fully develop on the cheap really isn't the answer either.
      Yes. The gda is designed for the "gda quality" player with the bank account for that "level of expense". Too bad there not enough of those around here and the gda did not do their homework to know that.

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        #33
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        GDA is not perfect. None of the leagues are. The families who joined GDA should have always focused on the training, not the competitions.The GDA has always been about doing what it takes to become the best possible player. The GDA offers more training with a higher quality training pool than the competitors. That's the true value of what they are getting into, not the frequent flyer miles to far flung games. The posters here who want to make the discussions about the competitions unquestionably have their own agenda. Likely they are either pro ECNL or pro small local club and fear losing their top end players to GDA which is why you have the constant drum beat against it. The fact is if you have a true GDA quality player there is always going to be some level of expense. You cannot escape the costs and giving your player what they need in order to fully develop on the cheap really isn't the answer either.
        In theory....problem is the training at most clubs isn't that much better/different than before either. Same clubs and trainers, virtually none of whom will have gotten additional licensure. Couple that with inconsistent teammate and competitive quality and are kids getting that much better vs where they were before?

        GDA had a very tight window to get it right and they didn't. Families won't be willing to give it more time to right the ship when they have other alternatives. they don't want to miss teh window on their kids development and recruiting.

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          #34
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Yes. The gda is designed for the "gda quality" player with the bank account for that "level of expense". Too bad there not enough of those around here and the gda did not do their homework to know that.
          along with the "gda level" player who was willing to give up high school. They really missed the mark on the amount of demand. It isn't that huge numbers decided to stay in ECNL, but enough did that it left an damming impression. Then clubs had to backfill with lesser quality players who aren't "gda level"

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            #35
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            along with the "gda level" player who was willing to give up high school. They really missed the mark on the amount of demand. It isn't that huge numbers decided to stay in ECNL, but enough did that it left an damming impression. Then clubs had to backfill with lesser quality players who aren't "gda level"
            The ecnl players are not GDA players if they want to pay High school soccer. The GDA is supposedly designed for top with players with the money for development and travel and no interest in HS ball. Not enough of them for that big a league so yes - they fill in with lower level players that can pay.

            The ECNL is supposedly top with players with the money for development and travel and interest in HS ball. There are also not really enough of them for that big a league so yes - they fill in with lower level players that can pay.

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              #36
              GDA was just another top high cost/travel league just like ECNL, and in a place they could try to funnel the NT talent and control. It would have succeeded in topping ECNL if they had just removed the stupid HS soccer restriction which is the number one reason some of the top players decline to play in GDA. If they had never had that rule in place, I think the league would look a lot different going into year 3. That one rule is going to sink GDA.

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                #37
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                The ecnl players are not GDA players if they want to pay High school soccer. The GDA is supposedly designed for top with players with the money for development and travel and no interest in HS ball. Not enough of them for that big a league so yes - they fill in with lower level players that can pay.

                The ECNL is supposedly top with players with the money for development and travel and interest in HS ball. There are also not really enough of them for that big a league so yes - they fill in with lower level players that can pay.
                That's where GDA failed - they thought there would be far more quality players willing to give up HS. There weren't. ECNL isn't perfect by any means but they know their target market and they deliver the goods (college). I have to give them that. Had GDA been smaller then it would have better fit demand.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  The ecnl players are not GDA players if they want to pay High school soccer. The GDA is supposedly designed for top with players with the money for development and travel and no interest in HS ball. Not enough of them for that big a league so yes - they fill in with lower level players that can pay.

                  The ECNL is supposedly top with players with the money for development and travel and interest in HS ball. There are also not really enough of them for that big a league so yes - they fill in with lower level players that can pay.
                  I agree with everything stated with the addition of:

                  For GDA, the primary end goal is supposed to be -- Women's National Team -- keeping that in mind, the league is too big and the player pool is not there

                  For ECNL, the end goal is D1 soccer and most of us will argue the league is still too big and player pool does not fully support that end goal either as many players will not achieve that goal

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    GDA was just another top high cost/travel league just like ECNL, and in a place they could try to funnel the NT talent and control. It would have succeeded in topping ECNL if they had just removed the stupid HS soccer restriction which is the number one reason some of the top players decline to play in GDA. If they had never had that rule in place, I think the league would look a lot different going into year 3. That one rule is going to sink GDA.
                    maybe in the NE. GDA seems strong in other regions.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      GDA was just another top high cost/travel league just like ECNL, and in a place they could try to funnel the NT talent and control. It would have succeeded in topping ECNL if they had just removed the stupid HS soccer restriction which is the number one reason some of the top players decline to play in GDA. If they had never had that rule in place, I think the league would look a lot different going into year 3. That one rule is going to sink GDA.
                      They started with the ability to play and that turned into a sh*t show. Teams didn't have enough players, kids who weren't supposed to do both simultaneously did both simultaneously. Players who wanted to play HS were supposed to be grandfathered in for a few years but USSF took it away after just one. If they cave on the HS rule then they're just another league not offering much that's different. ECNL is a pretty well entrenched competitor.

                      Plus, I don' t think USSF will ever cave on the HS rule. They despise HS soccer. Also, if they allow it for the girls then they have to allow it for the boys. Then you absolutely can wave the MLS clubs goodbye.

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        I agree with everything stated with the addition of:

                        For GDA, the primary end goal is supposed to be -- Women's National Team -- keeping that in mind, the league is too big and the player pool is not there

                        For ECNL, the end goal is D1 soccer and most of us will argue the league is still too big and player pool does not fully support that end goal either as many players will not achieve that goal
                        An end goal of National team play makes no sense for an entire large league. Even very strong players are not unrealistic lunatics.

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          maybe in the NE. GDA seems strong in other regions.
                          Out west and in TX yes it's much stronger. But there's a huge player pool out there and a lot of great clubs. Poke around and you'll find a lot of discontent in FL and the midwest. Is it supposed to be a national league that's only good west of the Mississippi?

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            An end goal of National team play makes no sense for an entire large league. Even very strong players are not unrealistic lunatics.
                            and it's foolish to think that a league of nearly 1000 players will make the 30 or players per age USSF cares about better players. It won't

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Out west and in TX yes it's much stronger. But there's a huge player pool out there and a lot of great clubs. Poke around and you'll find a lot of discontent in FL and the midwest. Is it supposed to be a national league that's only good west of the Mississippi?
                              It is a west of the Mississippi league. That is still too big a league but at least not "national". national for kids is silly for such a large country.

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                Out west and in TX yes it's much stronger. But there's a huge player pool out there and a lot of great clubs. Poke around and you'll find a lot of discontent in FL and the midwest. Is it supposed to be a national league that's only good west of the Mississippi?
                                In Northern California, a majority of the best clubs decided to stay in ECNL.

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