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    #16
    gullible parents,,,, and clubs that don't want to inform or educate parents about the process...they would rather let a 14 year old "commit" to a college , that way they can blast their webpage with all their commitments and sell the club as "we get the most girls committed in the whole southeast". When in reality getting committed doesn't mean squat, it actually hurts the girl because other scouts wont waste time on a committed kid who may actually be able to play for a better soccer program if they waited.

    If a scout wants your 14 -15 year old to commit then ask for something, if they believe in her talent as a freshman and don't want her to explore other options , ask for something in writing or a financial package, if all parents did this , getting 14 year olds to "commit" would end quickly.... or the process would change

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      #17
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      I would LOVE to know who that coach was. He gets it. I think most of the others would agree but are too scared to do it. Dorance feels this way but is still committing freshman at 14 yo...
      Dorance was the pioneer of early recruiting. One of the first 2 big schools to dip down to Freshman "commitments". He is against it as now that everybody does it, it is no longer an advantage, and is now an issue instead.

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        #18
        Am I understanding this correct? Used to be could not do an official visit until senior year and now can do official visits beginning Sept 1 of junior year. Otherwise the other loopholes remain to find ways to communicate with D1 coaches.

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          #19
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Am I understanding this correct? Used to be could not do an official visit until senior year and now can do official visits beginning Sept 1 of junior year. Otherwise the other loopholes remain to find ways to communicate with D1 coaches.
          Yes, that and a coach can't talk about "recruiting" while you're at an on campus recruiting event before the same date. But the coach can still talk to players and what they say is another matter.

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            #20
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            gullible parents,,,, and clubs that don't want to inform or educate parents about the process...they would rather let a 14 year old "commit" to a college , that way they can blast their webpage with all their commitments and sell the club as "we get the most girls committed in the whole southeast". When in reality getting committed doesn't mean squat, it actually hurts the girl because other scouts wont waste time on a committed kid who may actually be able to play for a better soccer program if they waited.

            If a scout wants your 14 -15 year old to commit then ask for something, if they believe in her talent as a freshman and don't want her to explore other options , ask for something in writing or a financial package, if all parents did this , getting 14 year olds to "commit" would end quickly.... or the process would change
            Yes parents should not be pushing their kids to commit early, but they do. Most often they do it to get the best package - with most programs the money goes early and to lock in a spot at a good school. Wait too long and there might not be much of any $ or spots left. There's also the fear of missing out, peer pressure etc. The good news is for "most" girls it isn't happening in 8th grade or even really freshman year beyond the stud players. Freshman well into sophomore year is more typical. The new rules don't really do anything to hinder that unfortunately. More substantive change is needed.

            btw coaches don't like it either, but they also fear losing out on "hot" talent. The whole process is a mess. Boys have a much more sane timetable (junior year is the biggest year).

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              #21
              Can the D1 players not verbally commit until after September 1st of Junior year?

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                #22
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Can the D1 players not verbally commit until after September 1st of Junior year?
                They still can. The rule changes are window dressing.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Can the D1 players not verbally commit until after September 1st of Junior year?
                  With the new rules I don’t see how this can happen. I guess you could commit to being a walk on? Seems you need to get an offer and to get an offer there has to be communication.

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    With the new rules I don’t see how this can happen. I guess you could commit to being a walk on? Seems you need to get an offer and to get an offer there has to be communication.
                    Agreed. Especially compared to how it was. Before the rule change, players of all ages (8th grade!) we're verbally committing and then broadcasting it on social media. Then other potentially interested coaches would back off and not pursue the player any more.

                    Now, if a player broadcasts that they are verbally committing before September 1, Junior year, then they are publicly declaring that there was inappropriate communication and an offer from Program X.

                    It doesn't mean there won't be shenanigans but it resets the whole calendar for committing until their older and allows late bloomers more shots to get recruited later.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Agreed. Especially compared to how it was. Before the rule change, players of all ages (8th grade!) we're verbally committing and then broadcasting it on social media. Then other potentially interested coaches would back off and not pursue the player any more.

                      Now, if a player broadcasts that they are verbally committing before September 1, Junior year, then they are publicly declaring that there was inappropriate communication and an offer from Program X.

                      It doesn't mean there won't be shenanigans but it resets the whole calendar for committing until their older and allows late bloomers more shots to get recruited later.
                      This is not true. There is no rule that forbids communication completely. It only forbids communication in person (at camps, on campus, etc). You can still talk on the phone, even video chat, as long as the player initiated the call first.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Agreed. Especially compared to how it was. Before the rule change, players of all ages (8th grade!) we're verbally committing and then broadcasting it on social media. Then other potentially interested coaches would back off and not pursue the player any more.

                        Now, if a player broadcasts that they are verbally committing before September 1, Junior year, then they are publicly declaring that there was inappropriate communication and an offer from Program X.

                        It doesn't mean there won't be shenanigans but it resets the whole calendar for committing until their older and allows late bloomers more shots to get recruited later.
                        Instead of no communication until Sept 1 of Junior year, how about no verbal offers or commuting until that time? But that leaves a lot of work for the players and coaches to accomplish in the important junior year because students start applying to colleges before the senior year begins.

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Instead of no communication until Sept 1 of Junior year, how about no verbal offers or commuting until that time? But that leaves a lot of work for the players and coaches to accomplish in the important junior year because students start applying to colleges before the senior year begins.
                          The rules would have to be written as such but there are currently too many loopholes. .Early recruiting happens in every sport and it's unlikely to ever go away. But eliminating ALL contact and communication, no matter who initiates it, until September 1 junior year would help. .

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Instead of no communication until Sept 1 of Junior year, how about no verbal offers or commuting until that time? But that leaves a lot of work for the players and coaches to accomplish in the important junior year because students start applying to colleges before the senior year begins.
                            Until coaches stop recruiting early (they worry they'll miss out on talent ) and parents stop pushing it (FOMA - Fear of Missing Out ) it won't go away. The other problem with basically only doing junior year is the timetable is too compressed. Junior year is typically very demanding for academics and missing a lot of school can be an issue. HS players often aren't doing club while in season so no showcases. College coaches are focused on their teams in the fall and do very little recruiting or travel. So the it pushes it to winter, spring and summer only. Summer is also condensed because college programs start up early August. By fall players need to know , especially since they're expected to apply ED. For the players, if you're injured during that time you are screwed.

                            I've no issue with sophomore exploration. Just ban any and all communication prior to Sept 1 sophomore year as well as on campus ID events.

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Until coaches stop recruiting early (they worry they'll miss out on talent ) and parents stop pushing it (FOMA - Fear of Missing Out ) it won't go away. The other problem with basically only doing junior year is the timetable is too compressed. Junior year is typically very demanding for academics and missing a lot of school can be an issue. HS players often aren't doing club while in season so no showcases. College coaches are focused on their teams in the fall and do very little recruiting or travel. So the it pushes it to winter, spring and summer only. Summer is also condensed because college programs start up early August. By fall players need to know , especially since they're expected to apply ED. For the players, if you're injured during that time you are screwed.

                              I've no issue with sophomore exploration. Just ban any and all communication prior to Sept 1 sophomore year as well as on campus ID events.
                              But the new rule is in place. No until Sept 1 of junior year. I totally agree with your post. Players have more work to do than the College coaches. They must cast a wide net and explore many colleges. That takes time that juniors don’t have!

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