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The drop out rate of refs can not be blamed upon abuse solely. Sure, it's a convenient way to help institute a zero tolerance policy so now we can play soccer in a commando state. Part of the problem has to do with proper training and a knowledge of the game beyond their limited experience. Giving a 16 year old kid the charge of a competitive game with no ideas that he'll have to actually manage the game but then to also give him the authority to red card any one who says anything gives him a holier than thou attitude ( or can ). Refs drop out also because they realize this is not for them. Or they do it temporarily to earn some money. Or they quit because they get a grl friend. Or a car. Or a better job. Or because school work gets harder. or because they don't feel like it any more. Or because their parents get tired of driving them to games and paying for the gas and then waiting 2-3 hours while they ref to stay with them to make sure they are okay. There are many reasons why young refs leave. Do not lay it solely on abuse. And I do agree there is too much abuse but the best way to deal with that is education...not a magic red card wand called the zero tolerance policy
FSM .. Are you telling me nobody at one of your school's football games ever criticized a refs call or jeered the opposition? I've sat in Cameron during a basketball game. Being crazy was half the fun. When is it OK to boo an official or cheer wildly for your team?
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Originally posted by beentheredonethatThe drop out rate of refs can not be blamed upon abuse solely. Sure, it's a convenient way to help institute a zero tolerance policy so now we can play soccer in a commando state. Part of the problem has to do with proper training and a knowledge of the game beyond their limited experience. Giving a 16 year old kid the charge of a competitive game with no ideas that he'll have to actually manage the game but then to also give him the authority to red card any one who says anything gives him a holier than thou attitude ( or can ). Refs drop out also because they realize this is not for them. Or they do it temporarily to earn some money. Or they quit because they get a grl friend. Or a car. Or a better job. Or because school work gets harder. or because they don't feel like it any more. Or because their parents get tired of driving them to games and paying for the gas and then waiting 2-3 hours while they ref to stay with them to make sure they are okay. There are many reasons why young refs leave. Do not lay it solely on abuse. And I do agree there is too much abuse but the best way to deal with that is education...not a magic red card wand called the zero tolerance policy
FSM .. Are you telling me nobody at one of your school's football games ever criticized a refs call or jeered the opposition? I've sat in Cameron during a basketball game. Being crazy was half the fun. When is it OK to boo an official or cheer wildly for your team?
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Originally posted by beentheredonethatThe minimum work shift is 4 hours so they actually make more money at McDonalds. Plus they typically work more than 4 hours. How many games does a typical 16 year old ref get a week. Mine gets 1-2.
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Originally posted by CujoOriginally posted by beentheredonethatThe drop out rate of refs can not be blamed upon abuse solely. Sure, it's a convenient way to help institute a zero tolerance policy so now we can play soccer in a commando state. Part of the problem has to do with proper training and a knowledge of the game beyond their limited experience. Giving a 16 year old kid the charge of a competitive game with no ideas that he'll have to actually manage the game but then to also give him the authority to red card any one who says anything gives him a holier than thou attitude ( or can ). Refs drop out also because they realize this is not for them. Or they do it temporarily to earn some money. Or they quit because they get a grl friend. Or a car. Or a better job. Or because school work gets harder. or because they don't feel like it any more. Or because their parents get tired of driving them to games and paying for the gas and then waiting 2-3 hours while they ref to stay with them to make sure they are okay. There are many reasons why young refs leave. Do not lay it solely on abuse. And I do agree there is too much abuse but the best way to deal with that is education...not a magic red card wand called the zero tolerance policy
FSM .. Are you telling me nobody at one of your school's football games ever criticized a refs call or jeered the opposition? I've sat in Cameron during a basketball game. Being crazy was half the fun. When is it OK to boo an official or cheer wildly for your team?
If a teen ref is yelled at during a town game, most town rec programs have specific guidelines about that, and they just need to be enforced. I just don't see many parents yelling at a kid who is a member of their own community.
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Originally posted by CujoOriginally posted by beentheredonethatThe drop out rate of refs can not be blamed upon abuse solely. Sure, it's a convenient way to help institute a zero tolerance policy so now we can play soccer in a commando state. Part of the problem has to do with proper training and a knowledge of the game beyond their limited experience. Giving a 16 year old kid the charge of a competitive game with no ideas that he'll have to actually manage the game but then to also give him the authority to red card any one who says anything gives him a holier than thou attitude ( or can ). Refs drop out also because they realize this is not for them. Or they do it temporarily to earn some money. Or they quit because they get a grl friend. Or a car. Or a better job. Or because school work gets harder. or because they don't feel like it any more. Or because their parents get tired of driving them to games and paying for the gas and then waiting 2-3 hours while they ref to stay with them to make sure they are okay. There are many reasons why young refs leave. Do not lay it solely on abuse. And I do agree there is too much abuse but the best way to deal with that is education...not a magic red card wand called the zero tolerance policy
FSM .. Are you telling me nobody at one of your school's football games ever criticized a refs call or jeered the opposition? I've sat in Cameron during a basketball game. Being crazy was half the fun. When is it OK to boo an official or cheer wildly for your team?
If a teen ref is yelled at during a town game, most town rec programs have specific guidelines about that, and they just need to be enforced. I just don't see many parents yelling at a kid who is a member of their own community.
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Originally posted by AnonymousI was at a high school game the other day in which the official was either terribly biased or just plain terrible. After the fourth beyond blatant offsides resulted in a goal (and the eventual margin of victory) I yelled at the ref from the side lines. This guy was so bad a spectator from the other team actually walked over to me offer his condolences. That said, I am sure you can imagine the reaction I got from the other parents around me.
Why is it now that when we see something that is bad in a sporting event we are expected to clap politely and keep out mouths shut? Why are officials who are getting paid to perform a job beyond reproach? Since when is it bad to be competitive or worse yet a fan? Why is wrong to show passionate support for your team? Having been involved in sports my whole life I can tell you that this is not how it used to be.
If the play of the home team is ever as poor as the officiating, is the same behavior aimed toward the coaches acceptable? I don't think so.
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Originally posted by Anonymous
If a teenaged kid is working a MAPLE game, then they are put in an impossible situation because they are not experienced enough to handle it.
If a teen ref is yelled at during a town game, most town rec programs have specific guidelines about that, and they just need to be enforced. I just don't see many parents yelling at a kid who is a member of their own community.
My 16 year old daughter works town games ages up through u15 and MAPLE games. the early sunday morning maples as the sole ref. sunday afternoons as possibly a ref for younger ages, linesman for up to as old as maple gets. does a great job.
as opposed to son's approach, daughter gets a laugh out of all of those screaming from the crowd. for her, it's funny to see adults acting like idiots on the sideline of a kids game. always has stories to tell about the mom/dad screaming at the kids to do EXACTLY the wrong thing or at the ref to call/not call an infraction real or imagined that no one on the field except the yelling parent saw.
truth is that if it were me, some of the things that she considers to be a hoot would be a trip to the old parking lot for the miscreant, but then different approaches for different people.
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Originally posted by AnonymousOriginally posted by Anonymous
If a teenaged kid is working a MAPLE game, then they are put in an impossible situation because they are not experienced enough to handle it.
If a teen ref is yelled at during a town game, most town rec programs have specific guidelines about that, and they just need to be enforced. I just don't see many parents yelling at a kid who is a member of their own community.
My 16 year old daughter works town games ages up through u15 and MAPLE games. the early sunday morning maples as the sole ref. sunday afternoons as possibly a ref for younger ages, linesman for up to as old as maple gets. does a great job.
as opposed to son's approach, daughter gets a laugh out of all of those screaming from the crowd. for her, it's funny to see adults acting like idiots on the sideline of a kids game. always has stories to tell about the mom/dad screaming at the kids to do EXACTLY the wrong thing or at the ref to call/not call an infraction real or imagined that no one on the field except the yelling parent saw.
truth is that if it were me, some of the things that she considers to be a hoot would be a trip to the old parking lot for the miscreant, but then different approaches for different people.
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Any 16 year old refs I know are dedicted school/club soccer players. Shift work at McDonald in addition to school work and other responsibilites just ain't fitting in their schedule. Reffing on the other hand can be fairly flexible - particularly knowing how desparate ref assignors can get during busy soccer seaon.
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Are you speaking to a HS Tournament Game? can't imagine in fact I know they wouldn't change a schedule for anything short of weather. Curious what type of tournamnet was rescheduled do to work????
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Originally posted by AnonymousMy 16 year old daughter works town games ages up through u15 and MAPLE games. the early sunday morning maples as the sole ref. sunday afternoons as possibly a ref for younger ages, linesman for up to as old as maple gets. does a great job.
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Are you speaking to a HS Tournament Game? can't imagine in fact I know they wouldn't change a schedule for anything short of weather. Curious what type of tournamnet was rescheduled do to work????
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That can't be the reason. MIAA wuold not reschedule any game because kids had to work...They barely change to acomodate the SAT's. You really should check that out because if it is true there will a lot of other schools protesting. Just make sure you have your facts and go see the MIAA rules. They did not and would not change a schedule because kids had to work.
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