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It will be south Florida, with the appearance of a mls team in Miami, it is logical all emotion aside.Comment
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Heard this rumor from PDA club official in New Jersey over the holidays. But it was said as a merger of the programs with training moving to Bradenton!Originally posted by Unregistered View PostComment
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I think it would have been ideal a couple years ago, initially when WFF was given the nod. Now? Stildl thinking someone is trolling for comments. When it is written in the official ECNL newsletter, then we know there will be some truth behind it !!Originally posted by Unregistered View PostComment
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WFF just needs to find a great leader to run it's ECNL program. They keep hiring from within and that person is just not there. They should look outside their club, and even outside the state if necessary to find a qualified person the head up this elite program. What an embarrassment the BOD's have made of this program for the club! They keep taking soccer trainers and try to make club managers of them. Big difference! Fat Randy was doing a better job than this latest bunch! Time to pay the right person to make this program shine as it should.Comment
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From looking at their standings in their conference, I'd say they need a lot more than just a good leader. The only team with a positive goal differential (+4) is their U18, which is comprised of so many girls that came from all over... this talent was not developed at this club. Even worse that supports this is that there are girls on this team that are not even true U18, they are younger, but their parents know the younger teams are not competitive, at least not in this league. I am sure this club is not the vision of ECNL. OC on the other hand, has managed, and I never thought it possible, to turn their debacle around over the last 1 1/2 yrs, and have pulled all of their teams ahead of WFF, except the WFF U18. The older group is not a surprise since OC struggled to keep elite players in the oldest age group as the surrounding clubs were very successful and they did not leave their club and run to OC.Originally posted by Unregistered View PostComment
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The simple difference is not the programs, but the area concept of ECNL. Much of the trolling on this discussion comes from former players that were cut from RB teams that just brought everyone along or coaches who left the club when RB absorbed the teams to pad his pockets saying that he and his over partner in crime were the only coaches of the 5 teams. The old players hated at tryouts when they could no longer wear there club affiliation and had to go to neutral white shirts. The pre-tryout session for ECNL gave the girls and parents a week of training to be exposed to the ECNL- many came and never came back after the exposure due to the speed and tempo of the game, some faced bashing from their last years team coaches for missing practice with threats that if the tried out and didn't make it to ECNL do not come back here. At one practice the entire then FishHawk U13, now Fish Hawk Chargers team came ( Coached by the Great PG) but few took the challenge of the tryout when the time came because no one was guaranteed a spot. Some of the OLD ECNL player from 3103 teams were told to move back down to their age groups so they left, some were cut, some were only offered Developmental team positions, so they left and continue to bash because Mommy and Daddy could no longer pay to play. You will see the same thing happen across the age groups after this year and with the rising 14s also when reality hits and half of the team is either moved up to 15s or replaced by better players from the area that are not part of the current U13 team this year. No what happened was honest tryouts and offers went out for the teams, some were accepted and others chose not to accept the offers, because like with TBU the same players were offered to play up on the U15s and are currently doing so( So what is the big difference? The discovery Keeper from the U15's that just played in the Sanford Showcase is the current u16 keeper at Sunrise, hmmm. OC gathered the players willing to drive from the surrounding area. On the Bayside, everyone thinks the program should come to them- i.e Tampa Bay (old money so it should be with us), Chargers we have DA so you should come to us, Fishhawk ( we are our own self contained community better than everyone else) IMG because we can buy everyone and US Soccer trains at our facility though it has been YEARS since we really were a factor of even having a TOP 150 ranked player- And the excuses continue. Until that selfish stigma can be broken down in the Tampa area, then yes WFF might not win the ECNL SE Region, but as long as they remain competitive there is no danger of losing the ECNL program which is about development.Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
Its the same reason N FL and SFL can't get there acts together to expand the program in Florida- the FKK/JFC/PDA arguments of who should be in charge while we ALL bash the programs put do all kind of mergers in hopes of gaining one of the few remaining bids for ECNL. IN SF Sunrise/BOCA/ Miami arguing and continual infighting. No one looks at the logistics of needed a travel partner with weekend schedules- No ENCL teams in the region will travel from Jacksonville to SF in one weekend and then return to NC/SC or GA/AL- so as you plan your takeover from WFF and OC better plan on some new locations vs 5.5 hrs apart. But bet you all are applying trying to get the very program you are bashing?
That's the problem with everyone on this spouting off uniformed opinions and trolling rumors. WFF is NOT losing ECNL- If any club is in danger of probation suggest you look at Las Vegas who across the age groups( EXCEPT U16) is in last or next to last place and the individual game spreads. As far as the training and developmental model WFF is following the US Federation Model for Development:
Suggest you do better research:
http://www.socceramerica.com/article...ve-qa-par.html
SA: On the boys side, there’s the U.S. Soccer Development Academy whereas U.S. Club Soccer’s ECNL fills the role for the elite on the girls side. A big difference is the ECNL is age pure. …
JILL ELLIS: For development purposes, we need our better players playing up. It can’t just be about having ownership of a team and wanting to win a championship.
For special players, it has to be what’s best for their development. It sometimes means the U-15 coach letting go of their best players to play up.
I’d love to see clubs have events where they put all their top players together, where a 15-year-old is playing with 18-year-olds, because many of them can do it.Comment
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The simple difference is not the programs, but the area concept of ECNL. Much of the trolling on this discussion comes from former players that were cut from RB teams that just brought everyone along or coaches who left the club when RB absorbed the teams to pad his pockets saying that he and his over partner in crime were the only coaches of the 5 teams. The old players hated at tryouts when they could no longer wear there club affiliation and had to go to neutral white shirts. The pre-tryout session for ECNL gave the girls and parents a week of training to be exposed to the ECNL- many came and never came back after the exposure due to the speed and tempo of the game, some faced bashing from their last years team coaches for missing practice with threats that if the tried out and didn't make it to ECNL do not come back here, even on the West Campus of WFF players were not committed enough to drive( so is that the child or the parent?). At one practice the entire then FishHawk U13, now Fish Hawk Chargers team came ( Coached by the Great PG) but few took the challenge of the tryout when the time came because no one was guaranteed a spot. Some of the OLD ECNL player from 2013 teams were told to move back down to their age groups so they left, some were cut, some were only offered Developmental team positions, so they left because they could no longer pay to play on the top tier team. You will see the same thing happen across the age groups after this year and with the rising 14s( Current U13) also when reality hits and half of the team is either moved up to next year's ECNL15s or replaced by better players from the area that are not part of the current U13 team this year. No what happened last year was honest tryouts and offers went out for the teams, some were accepted and others chose not to accept the offers, because like with TBU the same players were offered to play up on the U15s and are currently doing so( So what is the big difference? The discovery Keeper from the U15's that just played in the Sanford Showcase is the current u16 keeper at Sunrise, hmmm. OC gathered the players willing to drive from the surrounding area. On the Bayside, everyone thinks the program should come to them- i.e Tampa Bay (old money so it should be with us), Chargers we have DA so you should come to us, Fishhawk ( we are our own self contained community better than everyone else) IMG because we can buy everyone and US Soccer trains at our facility though it has been YEARS since we really were a factor of even having a TOP 150 ranked player- And the excuses continue. Until that selfish stigma can be broken down in the Tampa area, then yes WFF might not win the ECNL SE Region, but as long as they remain competitive there is no danger of losing the ECNL program which is about development.Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
Its the same reason N FL and SFL can't get there acts together to expand the program in Florida- the FKK/JFC/PDA arguments of who should be in charge while we ALL bash the programs put do all kind of mergers in hopes of gaining one of the few remaining bids for ECNL. IN SF Sunrise/BOCA/ Miami arguing and continual infighting. No one looks at the logistics of needed a travel partner with weekend schedules- No ENCL teams in the region will travel from Jacksonville to SF in one weekend and then return to NC/SC or GA/AL- so as you plan your takeover from WFF and OC better plan on some new locations vs 5.5 hrs apart. But bet you all are applying trying to get the very program you are bashing?
That's the problem with everyone on this spouting off uniformed opinions and trolling rumors. WFF is NOT losing ECNL- If any club is in danger of probation suggest you look at Las Vegas who across the age groups( EXCEPT U16) is in last or next to last place and the individual game spreads. As far as the training and developmental model WFF is following the US Federation Model for Development:
Suggest you do better research:
http://www.socceramerica.com/article...ve-qa-par.html
SA: On the boys side, there’s the U.S. Soccer Development Academy whereas U.S. Club Soccer’s ECNL fills the role for the elite on the girls side. A big difference is the ECNL is age pure. …
JILL ELLIS: For development purposes, we need our better players playing up. It can’t just be about having ownership of a team and wanting to win a championship.
For special players, it has to be what’s best for their development. It sometimes means the U-15 coach letting go of their best players to play up.
I’d love to see clubs have events where they put all their top players together, where a 15-year-old is playing with 18-year-olds, because many of them can do it.Comment
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First, your argument about DA is irrelevant. Or are you arguing that all ECNl clubs have aligned with DA's ? Really think you just like to see your own blubber in writing, I mean you hit submit twice did you not? The Ecnl is about developing TEAMS of players, not the individual (say whatever you want - NO ECnl club in FL has or will do that... They count on the running of the bulls (female players and their crazy parents to the nearest club). And why crap on IMG? last year their U18 G was nationally ranked 1st, not just 1st for FL, and our current ecnl clubs could only pray for anything similar within our own state!Comment
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There are no younger girls on the u18. They used a u17 GK because the u18 was not available. You bash the 18's for being from different places yet you praise OC for the doing the same. The only reason OC is good and turned around is because they picked up teams in the different age groups. At the 16 and 17 groups they wiped the slate clean and brought in whole new teams.Originally posted by Unregistered View PostComment
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so you don't know everyone on the squad and you think you do. Not a big deal for me. However, one of the girls used to play at our club. Say what you want, they are using U17 players because those players WON'T play on U17. You read the post how you wanted. First I didn't praise OC, just thought they turned around what was a complete debacle. Does that sound like praise? However, WFF actually had some good girls' teams before ecnl came, what happened to them? My impression of ecnl is basically that though: they take kids from other clubs and try to say they are responsible for their talent. that is hogwash.Originally posted by Unregistered View PostComment
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You are speaking rubbish. The u17 that plays GK is there because the u18 gk was unavailable not because she chooses to play u18. It's obvious you are another Dynamo parent that knows nothing of what's happening but comes on TS to do exactly that talk *****.Originally posted by Unregistered View PostComment
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Wow....I must have whatever it is your smoking. That must be some high quality kush!Originally posted by Unregistered View PostComment
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Can you really credit any club with a player's development? Most quality players are "good" because of their determination, desire, dedication, and work ethic. They want to be the best and make the effort to achieve their goals. ECNL is a place for these quality girls to gather. The club just needs to train the girls to play as a cohesive team.Comment
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