Da u17/18

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I can tell you it will only get worse, they don't know, they think they know, and they don't care.....they have way too much politics in their selection process. For god's sake the club Presidents son is now on the DA roster....and no he doesn't belong there....Many players have left the club because they don't select players based on talent. The USSDA needs to create a player pool for selection in the big markets to limit the lack of good judgement in selecting players in some of these academies. That way the politics can hopefully minimizeed, and players can have a continual path to succeed.

Its not about talent identification and development. Its about getting certain favored players and families college exposure and scholarship opportunities. Favored status based on various non-soccer talent criteria, such as how long kid been with club (how much $$$ paid), parent involvement on board, daddy coaches, personal relationships between parents and selectors, sometimes race. And not just at Kendall. Thats how things work in this country - political corruption has been ingrained in the fabric of our rotting culture since the 60s.

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Well your wrong he has played... Really there are club players better than that Kendall will never learn because everyone keeps running to the DA. They are Rec level and it shows next year year after that same.

And by the way no DA team cares about where they end up in the table. There are no consequences for finishing last place year after year. Daddy coaches/ parent administrators move on when their kid goes to college anyway.

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New strategy at our local DA?

Roll over and let the MLS DA team feast on goals or did they just play with 11 field players?

Any saves?

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Which DA are you talking about?

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So what if Rebecc@ is using her position to benefit her kid at others expense. So what if she is having everyone in the club sponsor all her trips to see her kid play. That's why she is President so she can take advantage of all the perks. did anyone think otherwise? that's why every board member is there, she has just taken larceny to a whole new level. So please leave her alone, she is doing what she set out to do.

Corruption and conflicts of interest Hillary Clinton would be very proud of! You people vote for this in the election, dont complain when it happens at your soccer club.

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Kendall tied IMG last weekend.

It could be worse - you could be Clearwater or Boca where it seems the politics must be even worse as evidenced by the results on the field so far...

Only solution is for US Soccer staff to attend tryouts and do the picking of players for the clubs. Nothing will change until that happens.

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Kendall tied IMG last weekend.

It could be worse - you could be Clearwater or Boca where it seems the politics must be even worse as evidenced by the results on the field so far...

Only solution is for US Soccer staff to attend tryouts and do the picking of players for the clubs. Nothing will change until that happens.

How do you figure, Clearwater swept IMG with exception to 18's tying just like Kendall did, so how is it worse? Unless you're at OC, all the other DA's deal with the same politics, maybe different issues but all of it is politics.

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How do you figure, Clearwater swept IMG with exception to 18's tying just like Kendall did, so how is it worse? Unless you're at OC, all the other DA's deal with the same politics, maybe different issues but all of it is politics.

Title of the thread is U17/U18 DA.
Clearwater DA is winless in 8 games.
Same as Boca.

IMG actually has a couple of wins so they are not placed in the same category at this point.

This is especially embarrassing since all teams that play the bottom table teams like Clearwater and Boca play their B teams to get to their 25% start quotas. Put another way: They are winless against DA B teams.

Why is this? What is wrong? Same relative balance between 98/99s as any other team For example Chargers 98/99 ratio is 7/11 very similar to CASL for example which is 8/11 and far more competitive a team. Look at Concorde, another competitive team - their ratio is 6/16.

Boca and Chargers consistently underperform. Is there something in the water in the Tampa Bay and Greater North Miami areas? Of course not. Plenty of talent at the younger ages in both areas compared to North Carolina and Georgia. The problem is the clubs, how that talent is identified, developed and retained. That is, how the clubs select players, how they develop them (or dont develop them), how they chose coaches, how these clubs are run (daddy coaches? political admin?).

Results dont lie.

At least they might get a win or two during the winter showcase when they are paired up with other lousy, winless teams but dont let that fool you. There is a problem in Boca and Clearwater.

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well then I put Kendall along with them. If you look they did not play what you call B players. So I'm guessing that Kendall on a whole(except for 1) are all B to C players to begin with. They are no better than Boca and Chargers. Not one of these clubs should have a DA program it just goes to show that the Federation will not step in to see what the problem is. Money is to good so they don't care.

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OC Rules

Roll over and let the MLS DA team feast on goals or did they just play with 11 field players?

Any saves?

OC 6 goals to none


OC Keeper scored 2!

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well then I put Kendall along with them. If you look they did not play what you call B players. So I'm guessing that Kendall on a whole(except for 1) are all B to C players to begin with. They are no better than Boca and Chargers. Not one of these clubs should have a DA program it just goes to show that the Federation will not step in to see what the problem is. Money is to good so they don't care.

Agreed. US Soccer is based on a fundamentally corrupt and defective business model.
Very few clubs are able to rise above this, and some like Boca and Chargers are the worst examples, but some have - FC Dallas is an incredible example.

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Title of the thread is U17/U18 DA.
Clearwater DA is winless in 8 games.
Same as Boca.

IMG actually has a couple of wins so they are not placed in the same category at this point.

This is especially embarrassing since all teams that play the bottom table teams like Clearwater and Boca play their B teams to get to their 25% start quotas. Put another way: They are winless against DA B teams.

Why is this? What is wrong? Same relative balance between 98/99s as any other team For example Chargers 98/99 ratio is 7/11 very similar to CASL for example which is 8/11 and far more competitive a team. Look at Concorde, another competitive team - their ratio is 6/16.

Boca and Chargers consistently underperform. Is there something in the water in the Tampa Bay and Greater North Miami areas? Of course not. Plenty of talent at the younger ages in both areas compared to North Carolina and Georgia. The problem is the clubs, how that talent is identified, developed and retained. That is, how the clubs select players, how they develop them (or dont develop them), how they chose coaches, how these clubs are run (daddy coaches? political admin?).

Results dont lie.

At least they might get a win or two during the winter showcase when they are paired up with other lousy, winless teams but dont let that fool you. There is a problem in Boca and Clearwater.

And what makes this even worse is that the U17/U18 DA teams are supposed to the flagships of these clubs, the ultimate report card demonstrating the clubs quality in terms of talent ID, development, quality of coaching, ability to retain talent etc.

When these clubs cannot win a single game until the winter showcase where they face other clubs like them, DA should be taken away the following year. But like the other poster said, the $$$$ flow is too good and the incentives are perverse.

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Agreed. US Soccer is based on a fundamentally corrupt and defective business model.
Very few clubs are able to rise above this, and some like Boca and Chargers are the worst examples, but some have - FC Dallas is an incredible example.

not that they will this year because they are struggling, but Clearwater just made the playoffs last year...when did Boca ever even have a record over .500? As bad as Clearwater is at times, nobody is as big a joke as Boca, they can't do anything right on girls or boys side

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And what makes this even worse is that the U17/U18 DA teams are supposed to the flagships of these clubs, the ultimate report card demonstrating the clubs quality in terms of talent ID, development, quality of coaching, ability to retain talent etc.

When these clubs cannot win a single game until the winter showcase where they face other clubs like them, DA should be taken away the following year. But like the other poster said, the $$$$ flow is too good and the incentives are perverse.

not necessarily these days, by the 17/18 year how many kids leave their DA club for an MLS DA. Portland Timbers 17/18 team has 5 or 6 six kids from Florida alone, Philly Union have 2 or 3, OC gets kids from all over. You want to see how a DA club develops, look at their 15/16 and how many of them they retain from the 14's and if they are able to compete with the big clubs

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not necessarily these days, by the 17/18 year how many kids leave their DA club for an MLS DA. Portland Timbers 17/18 team has 5 or 6 six kids from Florida alone, Philly Union have 2 or 3, OC gets kids from all over. You want to see how a DA club develops, look at their 15/16 and how many of them they retain from the 14's and if they are able to compete with the big clubs

You are talking about a very rare few - maybe a handful over 5-10 years. I am talking about the balance of the hundreds of players coming up through the club's hierarchy.

The best DA clubs (like Weston) lose a couple players to Europe or MLS academies here and there, yet they still do well year over year. The worst, like Clearwater and Boca never place players in Europe or MLS academies and yet still do poorly year over year even though they are retaining their "best" players. The fact that the best performing clubs year over year are the same ones that lose the most players to Europe/MLS show that what you are saying is not true.

U17/U18 is the ultimate "flagship" - U15/16 still a work in progress, kids havent even fully developed yet, still a lot of fluctuation and development in progress. By U17/18 the work should be mostly done and results on full display. Political decisions are easy to spot at U17/18 not so easy at U15/16 and very difficult to spot at U12. The cream should have risen to the top by U17/18 and if that "cream" is losing every game, it tells you something.

U17/18 (not so much U15/16 and even less so U12/13/14) performance is a proxy for club quality plain and simple.