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    #16
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    It is tricky with waivers because kids cant play DA while doing HS, so with a small roster as it is, at least it should be, they cant afford a number of players missing from games or training. Stars q&a said no waivers, and a small roster of around 16. Substitution rules only allow for use of 5 subs max per game. Any more than 16, and kids sit out.
    Boston breakers did say there would be a limited number of waivers for the older age groups. We got the impression it would be just for those players that go to private schools. That is why they would have the swing players just for the fall season. If they eliminate waivers all together they may have a challenge fielding older teams, especially the 99/00.

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      #17
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Boston breakers did say there would be a limited number of waivers for the older age groups. We got the impression it would be just for those players that go to private schools. That is why they would have the swing players just for the fall season. If they eliminate waivers all together they may have a challenge fielding older teams, especially the 99/00.
      So waivers or not where do the Breakers Ecnl girls go who either don't make DA or who opt out? Back to NPL? and I'm talking kids who have been there for years and are in high School.

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        #18
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        So waivers or not where do the Breakers Ecnl girls go who either don't make DA or who opt out? Back to NPL? and I'm talking kids who have been there for years and are in high School.
        Given the math and a roster equal to their current ecnl teams they will have a surplus of 9 players per age group in HS years. This will force 9 players currently on their 2nd teams to their third, right. Kids will seek other clubs - they'd be crazy not to be looking. I can see why Stars q&a noted players from other clubs are interested.

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          #19
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          So waivers or not where do the Breakers Ecnl girls go who either don't make DA or who opt out? Back to NPL? and I'm talking kids who have been there for years and are in high School.
          Back to NPL or another club. If you're kid was playing ECNL, not so sure being on an NPL team will be appealing. Especially as NPL will now be considered a third league behind ECNL and DA. I see some movement for sure, especially if your kid is not committed. If your kid is committed and they are a senior it might be easier to stay put.

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            #20
            As long as Stars are not forced to play by the same rules it will be a mess. ECNL is a proven entity. If current ECNL players do not migrate to GDAP, where will the quality competition come from. Many of the current top players play for quality HS teams. There are probably not that many who are willing to give that up for an essentially nonexistent shot at the NT. The whole thing is complete BS.

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              #21
              High School Ban GDAP and BDAP

              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              As long as Stars are not forced to play by the same rules it will be a mess. ECNL is a proven entity. If current ECNL players do not migrate to GDAP, where will the quality competition come from. Many of the current top players play for quality HS teams. There are probably not that many who are willing to give that up for an essentially nonexistent shot at the NT. The whole thing is complete BS.
              The whole high school ban both on the boys and girls side needs to re revisited. It's not just about allowing them to have the Varsity "experience", it's about soccer players playing with, and adapting to different skillsets, styles and being exposed to different coaching philosophies. Playing in one system all year round leads to a robotic and stagnant play. Soccer is about expression and creativity. We have plenty of great athletes here in the United States, what we chronically lack is technical ability, creativity and flair. That's very apparent on the world stage.

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                #22
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                The whole high school ban both on the boys and girls side needs to re revisited. It's not just about allowing them to have the Varsity "experience", it's about soccer players playing with, and adapting to different skillsets, styles and being exposed to different coaching philosophies. Playing in one system all year round leads to a robotic and stagnant play. Soccer is about expression and creativity. We have plenty of great athletes here in the United States, what we chronically lack is technical ability, creativity and flair. That's very apparent on the world stage.
                Now that the idiot German is gone, maybe Gulati, Arena and Ellis will finally see the benefits of playing in multiple systems. Not just pigeon hole players in one League.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Boston breakers did say there would be a limited number of waivers for the older age groups. We got the impression it would be just for those players that go to private schools. That is why they would have the swing players just for the fall season. If they eliminate waivers all together they may have a challenge fielding older teams, especially the 99/00.
                  The Breaker's players that are being given waivers are the top players on their roster in the particular age grouping regardless of where they go to school. These are the level players that the club must attract into the DA if the program is to be viewed as successful on the marketing front so they are going to bend over backwards to entice them. The high school waiver issue is really a time limited thing though because realistically the with the way the recruiting time line is now the college coaches that are recruiting at the DA level are really looking at girls that are in the 7th/8th grade who will never likely play for their high school team.

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    The Breaker's players that are being given waivers are the top players on their roster in the particular age grouping regardless of where they go to school. These are the level players that the club must attract into the DA if the program is to be viewed as successful on the marketing front so they are going to bend over backwards to entice them. The high school waiver issue is really a time limited thing though because realistically the with the way the recruiting time line is now the college coaches that are recruiting at the DA level are really looking at girls that are in the 7th/8th grade who will never likely play for their high school team.
                    It will be interesting as the middle/bottom of the roster will need to make the decision whether to give up HS soccer and stay with the Breakers. A lot of these girls may already be committed so if they have a strong HS program they may elect to play NPL or switch to another club. The middle/bottom roster are replaceable with top NPL players and I'm sure there will be SOME players wiling to make the switch. It's really only the top 5 or 6 players Breakers care about. I agree waivers will only be a necessity for a short period of time, because the younger players will choose not to play high school, as there's no real loss if they haven't started high school.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      The Breaker's players that are being given waivers are the top players on their roster in the particular age grouping regardless of where they go to school. These are the level players that the club must attract into the DA if the program is to be viewed as successful on the marketing front so they are going to bend over backwards to entice them. The high school waiver issue is really a time limited thing though because realistically the with the way the recruiting time line is now the college coaches that are recruiting at the DA level are really looking at girls that are in the 7th/8th grade who will never likely play for their high school team.
                      And you're back.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        It will be interesting as the middle/bottom of the roster will need to make the decision whether to give up HS soccer and stay with the Breakers. A lot of these girls may already be committed so if they have a strong HS program they may elect to play NPL or switch to another club. The middle/bottom roster are replaceable with top NPL players and I'm sure there will be SOME players wiling to make the switch. It's really only the top 5 or 6 players Breakers care about. I agree waivers will only be a necessity for a short period of time, because the younger players will choose not to play high school, as there's no real loss if they haven't started high school.
                        I personally don't think that there will be that much of a divide. If I remember correctly during the early years of DA they aren't planning on combining age groups and it is only at the U15 age group that the combined age groups will start. That means that effectively half of the players are going to get cut from the DA before they start high school and the decision made for them. What will be left on the DA roster will be the top 9-10 players in a club's age group. The way things are working now most of them will be very close to committing at that point so realistically you will only have 2 maybe 3 players with straggling commitments that might have to face the high school issue. That's hardly a game changing number.

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                          #27
                          Simple math, people:

                          8 existent age groups (144 players) to provide 92 players. There will not be that many hard decisions, as a lot players will not be asked to make decision as they will not be asked to join. Where is the fuss?

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Simple math, people:

                            8 existent age groups (144 players) to provide 92 players. There will not be that many hard decisions, as a lot players will not be asked to make decision as they will not be asked to join. Where is the fuss?
                            There is no fuss... many HS players will have the option to play wherever they want. Without a waiver GDA will be the last choice. Ecnl/Npl will be fine for current players who are there. It will make zero difference in their college placement. Top players write their own ticket regardless.

                            Jmo but Breakers and their players really are between a rock and a hard place. Stars culture is lame but at least there you have options. FCB is pretty cheap but teams are weak. Npls will be strong next year given the upheaval. It's all good for a couple more years.

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              There is no fuss... many HS players will have the option to play wherever they want. Without a waiver GDA will be the last choice. Ecnl/Npl will be fine for current players who are there. It will make zero difference in their college placement. Top players write their own ticket regardless.

                              Jmo but Breakers and their players really are between a rock and a hard place. Stars culture is lame but at least there you have options. FCB is pretty cheap but teams are weak. Npls will be strong next year given the upheaval. It's all good for a couple more years.
                              US soccer spoke loudly and clearly: "we want the best players in DA." You don't have option at stars as they are portraying and they are playing with double sward. They have good teams with good results in ECNL. They field a weaker representation in DA, without NT players invitees, US soccer will notice. They are the ones between a rock and hard place under the possibility of getting kicked out of DA.
                              Plus if everyone there opt for HS, that means they will play ECNL. Where is the room for any other additions? At 17's and 18's, FCB will just cut their existent players to accommodate BBA's that opted for HS? Maybe they will but with all respect I don't see the eager of playing ECNL there being stronger then before.

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                                #30
                                My prediction over the next couple of years in regards to the two GDA clubs and how it affects other teams:

                                04 through 01's

                                -BBA GDA team will be strong as a majority of current BBA/NEFC Players will stay there. Plus pick up most of the stronger NT players from outside clubs.

                                -Stars GDA team will weaker due to majority of their top players staying ECNL, with a few real top NT level players eventually gravitating to stronger BBA DA program. Stars will lose GDA within 2-3 years.

                                -Stars ECNL team will be strong as most of their top players will stay ECNL plus pick up some of those top players outside the club that want HS soccer.

                                - Stars NPL gets much weaker as it try's to fill two "top" teams and must poach better players from NPL team.

                                - BBA NPL team gets a little stronger from those current BBA top players who don't want to commit to DA schedule and also play HS soccer, and do not want leave club for various reasons.


                                00 & older

                                BBA GDA teams marginally stronger than Stars, but both will fail to get the majority of top players to commit at this late time in HS when many have already have their college commitments. ECNL & NPL teams will get influx of current BBA ECNL players in older age groups.

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