Oregon United

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Is that stated in their policy?
Then why have so many clubs that have join in recent years literally cover the same area? Furthermore, that creates the opposite of what you'd want...a free market. Let the players, parents, and coaches become educated and make their own choice. Thay policy literally spells out you can only play with us if you pay our friends...great policy!!! For the chosen few. Keep in mind OYSA isn't ran by intellectuals who actually research data...such as population density. So the entire outline you suggest...is currently flawed for specific individuals-alliances gain. But...yes lets ignore that.

There are some pretty intelligent people who work and volunteer at OYSA. I don’t know if they study population density or anything else. What I do know is that you don’t really understand markets. Give me an example of a free market as you describe it - one without regulation.

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The parents and players did make choice a few years back. They all left OYSA for the OPL. The OPL was run by the clubs, no one liked and every club is back in OYSA. Why? OYSA has standards, clubs have to meet or exceed the bylaws set forth by USYS and OYSA. There is oversight at each level. If you look at the start up clubs there is a reason they are start ups ie the relationship with their previous club was terminated by one party or the other.

OYSA's job isn't to run leagues, it sanctions clubs and league and enforces a quality standard that protects the youth being served.

The reasons clubs left OYSA are still valid today.
The reason those clubs came back to OYSA was for competitive reasons. The Timbers Alliance clubs (some of whom, I believe were in on the planning stages of OPL before they sold out to TA) wouldn’t move to OPL and eventually Crossfire opted to move back to OYSA.

The remaining clubs followed in order to improve/restore competition in the State.
Many of the reasons those clubs left OYSA still exist today.
At least some clubs had the cajones to do something about it.

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Yes. Those players will have to drive 15 extra minutes to 2-3 other clubs that are available.

And if those clubs suck? (mind you, there is a lot of crap out there disguised as a soccer club).

My point, at least the point I'm trying to make is families/players should have choices, and not stuck with a club that just meets an OYSA guideline for what a "soccer club" is.

Competition is good, in both business and sports. As long as a new club can meet those guidelines, and have access to fields for training.....why stop them from being an OYSA member just because OYSA says another club already exists in that geographical area? Are they really paying attention to the numbers of kids that want to play soccer in a specific area (population trends)? I doubt so.

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Yes OYSA is

And if those clubs suck? (mind you, there is a lot of crap out there disguised as a soccer club).

My point, at least the point I'm trying to make is families/players should have choices, and not stuck with a club that just meets an OYSA guideline for what a "soccer club" is.

Competition is good, in both business and sports. As long as a new club can meet those guidelines, and have access to fields for training.....why stop them from being an OYSA member just because OYSA says another club already exists in that geographical area? Are they really paying attention to the numbers of kids that want to play soccer in a specific area (population trends)? I doubt so.

OYSA is paying attention, that is way these new clubs and their leadership are coming under such intense scurrility as they should.

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OYSA is paying attention, that is way these new clubs and their leadership are coming under such intense scurrility as they should.

I'm all for the scrutiny and need for adhering to guidelines for new clubs. We absolutely need that in soccer or any youth sport. But families need/want other options than what is currently available.........and they should have the ability to choose and not just accept an existing club that no longer benefits a player and the training/coaching they want/need.

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I'm all for the scrutiny and need for adhering to guidelines for new clubs. We absolutely need that in soccer or any youth sport. But families need/want other options than what is currently available.........and they should have the ability to choose and not just accept an existing club that no longer benefits a player and the training/coaching they want/need.

It starts with having coaches that are at least employable at any existing non profit clubs in Oregon or even SW Washington.

Since they are not, no more needs to be said.

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I'm all for the scrutiny and need for adhering to guidelines for new clubs. We absolutely need that in soccer or any youth sport. But families need/want other options than what is currently available.........and they should have the ability to choose and not just accept an existing club that no longer benefits a player and the training/coaching they want/need.

This is such broken logic.... The same washed up Oregon coaches starting new clubs to avoid accountability to non profit boards and trying to make more money brings nothing different than what’s available today. It actually makes things worse as we end up with a proliferation of unaccountable snake oil salesmen saying whatever they think people want to hear just to line their pockets.

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The parents and players did make choice a few years back. They all left OYSA for the OPL. The OPL was run by the clubs, no one liked and every club is back in OYSA. Why? OYSA has standards, clubs have to meet or exceed the bylaws set forth by USYS and OYSA. There is oversight at each level. If you look at the start up clubs there is a reason they are start ups ie the relationship with their previous club was terminated by one party or the other.

OYSA's job isn't to run leagues, it sanctions clubs and league and enforces a quality standard that protects the youth being served.

You messed up in your history and logic.

"The clubs" were sanctioned by then USYSA through OYSA, and those clubs had their teams play in the OYSA-run leagues and state tournaments. Clubs around the country were fed up with USYSA and state affiliates, so some of them created a new competitor, US Club Soccer. USCS ran its own regionals and nationals, and sanctioned tournaments. The USCS then began sanctioning leagues. The OPL was one of them. The ENPL and the NPL came later. There is definitely "oversight" at all levels for these leagues.

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This is such broken logic.... The same washed up Oregon coaches starting new clubs to avoid accountability to non profit boards and trying to make more money brings nothing different than what’s available today. It actually makes things worse as we end up with a proliferation of unaccountable snake oil salesmen saying whatever they think people want to hear just to line their pockets.

It's a slippery slope to assume that. Are all new clubs washed up Oregon coaches? Are all trying to avoid accountability? Or are some trying something new and different, and against the "old guard"? You make assumptions with your post.

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It starts with having coaches that are at least employable at any existing non profit clubs in Oregon or even SW Washington.

Since they are not, no more needs to be said.

Huh? Employable? That's laughable. There are plenty of questionable coaches currently employed and protected by their DOC's. There is a network in this soccer community that is so wrong, when it comes to turning a blind eye to bad coaching, lack of training of coaches, lack of accountability of coaches. Who determines employability?

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This guy is the Billy Mays of soccer. Enthusiastic. Plays an audience. Only difference is Billy Mays was in on the joke. This guy doesn’t know he is the joke. Krueger and Dunning would have a new theory if they met this guy.

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Your nuts

You messed up in your history and logic.

"The clubs" were sanctioned by then USYSA through OYSA, and those clubs had their teams play in the OYSA-run leagues and state tournaments. Clubs around the country were fed up with USYSA and state affiliates, so some of them created a new competitor, US Club Soccer. USCS ran its own regionals and nationals, and sanctioned tournaments. The USCS then began sanctioning leagues. The OPL was one of them. The ENPL and the NPL came later. There is definitely "oversight" at all levels for these leagues.

The logic and history is fine

Oregon Soccer as a whole

OYSA then OPL then back to OYSA

The OPL was sanctioned by US Club. US Club allows for profit entities. The OPL was run by the OPC, eight local clubs coming together and formed an LLC

The lack of quality of the OPL, which included a lack of over site was its down fall. US Club rules are fall less stringent then USYS. The OPL tried to battle it out with OYSA but lost the battle. The choice was made by the masses. The masses want OYSA soccer.

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The logic and history is fine

Oregon Soccer as a whole

OYSA then OPL then back to OYSA

The OPL was sanctioned by US Club. US Club allows for profit entities. The OPL was run by the OPC, eight local clubs coming together and formed an LLC

The lack of quality of the OPL, which included a lack of over site was its down fall. US Club rules are fall less stringent then USYS. The OPL tried to battle it out with OYSA but lost the battle. The choice was made by the masses. The masses want OYSA soccer.

OYSA won by promising the outlying clubs an equal place at the table. Back in the OPL days, clubs from Bend, Medford, and even Eugene/Salem were lucky to get 3-4 home games in a 14 game season. OPL's general response to complaints about that was a collective shrug. OYSA came back with an equitable offer for the outlying clubs - equal home and away regardless of what city you are in. They also promised that a Timbers "alliance" would benefit those outlying clubs.

Several years down the road, the schedules still appear to be equitable, which is huge for families in those far away areas. But the "alliance" isn't worth diddlysquat. If OPL had cared one iota about clubs outside the Portland metro area, OYSA would be dead and buried.

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Omg

OYSA won by promising the outlying clubs an equal place at the table. Back in the OPL days, clubs from Bend, Medford, and even Eugene/Salem were lucky to get 3-4 home games in a 14 game season. OPL's general response to complaints about that was a collective shrug. OYSA came back with an equitable offer for the outlying clubs - equal home and away regardless of what city you are in. They also promised that a Timbers "alliance" would benefit those outlying clubs.

Several years down the road, the schedules still appear to be equitable, which is huge for families in those far away areas. But the "alliance" isn't worth diddlysquat. If OPL had cared one iota about clubs outside the Portland metro area, OYSA would be dead and buried.

The alliance and OYSA are very separate. The Timbers alliance is part of a Portland Timbers program. Good or bad it is up to those clubs to alter the program not OYSA's. Club's to this day can choose to be part of OYSA or US Club. There is a US Club league some metro teams have opted to play in. Not sure why SCA and other doesn't play with that group. Oh it is because the players and parents have MADE THE CHOICE.

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It starts with having coaches that are at least employable at any existing non profit clubs in Oregon or even SW Washington.

Since they are not, no more needs to be said.

There are plenty of USYS (OYSA) clubs that hire high quality coaches and even directors.

Lowlife's with profit agenda are welcome to enter the free market and run their 'business' happens every day in the states, that's called free maket.

Gaining entrance as a club into the USYS Oregon branch (OYSA) is a process and they aren't willing to be scrutinized at this time, which tells the whole story.