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    #46
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    If you are familiar with the legal structure of ADF, please enlighten us:

    Again looking at the Oregon sec of state's office, here is the corporate registration information for ADF Portland, a "public benefit corporation with members" (nonprofit): http://egov.sos.state.or.us/br/pkg_w...&p_print=FALSE

    Note that the "registered agent", "president", and "secretary" are all Joaquim Capuia.

    Now here is the record for "Futeboltraining LLC", a limited liability corporation (for-profit business): http://egov.sos.state.or.us/br/pkg_w...&p_print=FALSE

    Note that the registered agent for this is also one Joaquim Capuia.

    No, the organization of ADF is pretty much as I described it--a shell nonprofit that registers with OYSA and collects fees from families, and which contracts with a vendor which is a for-profit entity, that just happens to be owned by the non-profit corporation's president, for all services. ADF is non-profit, certainly--all the money that comes in goes out to Futeboltraining LLC, and little or no earnings are retained; and I'm certain Jo takes no salary whatsoever in his role as president and secretary of ADF. But he's making a killing running Futeboltraining LLC/Finezza sports.

    It's an obvious sham. Now, I don't really care that much about how the F-Bombs do business, but to turn around and block SCA for not being a nonprofit when ADF has been in business for about 3-4 years now operating more or less as described, is a bit hypocritical. If it's simply because JS and company haven't dotted all the necessary i's and crossed all the necessary t's to enable OYSA to claim proverbial shock at the gambling going on at Rick's, and all they need to do is copy ADF's structure and Bob will be their uncle, that's one thing.

    But don't come and tell us that ADF isn't a for-profit business. We're not stupid. We know exactly what it is. If OYSA is really opposed to profiteering in youth soccer, they should either crack down on this--a simple rule such as "no member organization shall subcontract with any for-profit entity that is owned in whole or part by any officer or principal employee of the member; all dealings with for-profit entities must be arms-length transactions". Of course, such a rule would, as others have pointed out, ensnare many other clubs as well--many coaches out there offer private training, operate futsal/indoor soccer gyms, or otherwise provide services to the soccer community, which are often patronized by the clubs they work for.

    I suspect we all know what's really going on, and it's not protecting gullible soccer families from fraudsters.
    Does ADF fit the OYSA criteria? Absolutely.

    SCA can do the same thing. Oh, wait, they can’t. SCA is a private business from the UK that has a makeshift office in the US. These two muppets can’t work for a non profit or a trump will send their tosspot arses home. If this wasn’t the case then you’d see a non-profit umbrella formed. Better luck next year. SCA just needs to be smarter and build it right.

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      #47
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Why don't they just dot the i's and cross the T's then. Or is there another reason?

      OYSA and the dozens of clubs that are just fine with how things are going aren't going to change for SCA.
      They lose their ability to work in the US if the structure is any different than it is now. But there would be a basement of a home that will be for rent. And a $80k car for sale

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        #48
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        False. D&J knew it was a no-go when they were part of GPS and that was affirmed to them when they met with oysa right after the notification went out to members in April. They were told very clearly the players could be coached by SCA if coaches were hired through a member club. That would mean the players belonged to another oysa member club, wore that club’s kit, etc. D&J wanted payment for fees to go direct to SCA, didn’t not want board oversight, and wanted players to be seen in purple kits. They tried fudging the teams through FC Huracan by lying and saying Huracan hired the SCA coaches but it blew up when purple kits showed up at the PCU tournament. Huracan took down the post about the SCA coaches directly after and removed everything relating to them off their website completely. End of story.
        lol. you can write what you want, think what you want, etc. but we both know there is much more to the story. which is often the case anytime oysa is involved.

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          #49
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Does ADF fit the OYSA criteria? Absolutely.

          SCA can do the same thing. Oh, wait, they can’t. SCA is a private business from the UK that has a makeshift office in the US. These two muppets can’t work for a non profit or a trump will send their tosspot arses home. If this wasn’t the case then you’d see a non-profit umbrella formed. Better luck next year. SCA just needs to be smarter and build it right.
          I'm not aware of any restrictions on foreign nationals working for non-profits. Actually, non-profits get preferential treatment when it comes to hiring H1B foreign workers, they aren't subject to the cap on H1Bs that profit companies are.

          I suspect that what is going on is that JS has an L1 visa or something similar (see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L-1_visa) which is for foreign nationals moving to the US to work for a US-based branch office of a foreign company. In this case, Soccer Chance Academy (a company incorporated in England) wants to run an academy in Oregon, and sends its employees (JS and company) to the US on an L1 for the purpose of working for said branch office--but since SCA is a for-profit company, it can't join OYSA, and the L1 visa won't allow JS and company to accept employment from anyone other than SCA. That legal situation matches the scenario of "cannot work for a non-profit", though they couldn't work for ADF either. OTOH--they've been in town longer than SCA has been around, so either SCA got L1s for existing English coaches in Oregon, or something else is going on.

          OTOH, that doesn't answer the question why a 501(c)3 couldn't be set up which
          a) registers the teams
          b) collects dues from parents
          c) has a board of directors
          and
          d) hires Soccer Chance Academy LLC to run the program. JS would be employed by SCA, not by the 501(c)3. The relationship of the 501(c)3 to SCA would be customer-and-vendor, not employer and employee.

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            #50
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Just got word my daughters 06 team will be traveling up north all fall to play in the second division of PSPL.
            http://psplsoccer.com/_element_displ...D1566346637301
            How have these guys got into the NPL? That’s supposedly the most competitive league outside of ECNL and DA around the country.... No question more competitive than RCL

            Some longer drives yes but that is more competitive than their OYSA age group. No further than Medford or bend either.

            I was under impression there are a number of requirements to play in the NPL? If it’s so easy shocked others have not looked at this

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              #51
              [QUOTE=Unregistered;2551615]How have these guys got into the NPL? That’s supposedly the most competitive league outside of ECNL and DA around the country.... No question more competitive than RCL

              Some longer drives yes but that is more competitive than their OYSA age group. No further than Medford or bend either.

              Ha you just sign up. PSPL is probably well run I suppose but it is not on par with OYSA or even the RCL. It is a every kid gets a trophy and juice box league.

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                #52
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                How have these guys got into the NPL? That’s supposedly the most competitive league outside of ECNL and DA around the country.... No question more competitive than RCL

                Some longer drives yes but that is more competitive than their OYSA age group. No further than Medford or bend either.

                I was under impression there are a number of requirements to play in the NPL? If it’s so easy shocked others have not looked at this
                This league isba failed attempt at US Club soccer. A revolving door of driectors amd leadership, poor levels of teams, hardly even a high school age group. This is the same group that originally helped create the infamous OPL. Pay money, register on time, and you can play in this league.

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                  #53
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  This league isba failed attempt at US Club soccer. A revolving door of driectors amd leadership, poor levels of teams, hardly even a high school age group. This is the same group that originally helped create the infamous OPL. Pay money, register on time, and you can play in this league.
                  Agreed. RCL 2 is stronger than this league

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                    #54
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    This league isba failed attempt at US Club soccer. A revolving door of driectors amd leadership, poor levels of teams, hardly even a high school age group. This is the same group that originally helped create the infamous OPL. Pay money, register on time, and you can play in this league.
                    Interesting. What is OYSA not providing that these clubs are looking for?

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                      #55
                      [QUOTE=Unregistered;2551799]
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      How have these guys got into the NPL? That’s supposedly the most competitive league outside of ECNL and DA around the country.... No question more competitive than RCL

                      Some longer drives yes but that is more competitive than their OYSA age group. No further than Medford or bend either.

                      Ha you just sign up. PSPL is probably well run I suppose but it is not on par with OYSA or even the RCL. It is a every kid gets a trophy and juice box league.
                      Uhhhh, Spokane is further than Bend and Medford. Plus all the other teams are in Washington -- Bellingham, Yakima, etc.

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                        #56
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Interesting. What is OYSA not providing that these clubs are looking for?
                        It's what OYSA *is* providing that's the problem: oversight.

                        Certain DOCs don't like the local sheriff, and want to set up their own county without one.

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                          #57
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          It's what OYSA *is* providing that's the problem: oversight.

                          Certain DOCs don't like the local sheriff, and want to set up their own county without one.
                          Oversight of what?

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                            #58
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Oversight of what?
                            Fundraisers!
                            Red Sauce Pizza is holding one to raise money for “travel expenses” for the 06 girls team. Gas money to Seattle? Does Red Sauce know that SCA is a for-profit?

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                              #59
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Fundraisers!
                              Red Sauce Pizza is holding one to raise money for “travel expenses” for the 06 girls team. Gas money to Seattle? Does Red Sauce know that SCA is a for-profit?
                              Maybe you should call them up and tell them. Or better yet, if SCA has a fundraising party anywhere (a car wash, a bake sale, whatevs) you can show up with a picket sign and a bullhorn and make sure everyone knows that JS drives a nice car, and that soccer coaches who really care about the kids and put them first all drive 1998 Honda Accords.

                              They took several kids (and one coach) from our club, too. But I'm not butthurt about it.

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                                #60
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                Maybe you should call them up and tell them. Or better yet, if SCA has a fundraising party anywhere (a car wash, a bake sale, whatevs) you can show up with a picket sign and a bullhorn and make sure everyone knows that JS drives a nice car, and that soccer coaches who really care about the kids and put them first all drive 1998 Honda Accords.

                                They took several kids (and one coach) from our club, too. But I'm not butthurt about it.
                                Sorry for your luck. They took no kids from our club. Don’t often see companies holding fundraisers for “for-profits”. No board oversight indeed!

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