BS or NYSC

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Is one better than the other or are they basically the same?

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Pour yourself a tall drink and take a gander at the BS is BS thread.

If you can handle the drive, head east over the NY border

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Pour yourself a tall drink and take a gander at the BS is BS thread.

If you can handle the drive, head east over the NY border

NYSC only offers partial ages for DA.

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Is one better than the other or are they basically the same?

No difference. Both are just like all the rest of the pay to play clubs looking to cash in on the parents with dreams that their kid is the next Messi. Just different cast of characters

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NYSC only offers partial ages for DA.

True. But they will get all ages soon. Good premier teams/younger age training as well. Definitely a different cast of characters, and actual facility to call their own.

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Differences

The two clubs are pretty different on a factual level. Here are a few.

1. Facilities

NYSC home campus is at Manhattanville college with two full size turf fields, one which is brand new, and a 90,000 square foot indoor facility with new turf and professional futsal courts.

Beachside rents fields all over the place, pays a lot for those fields and passes that cost off to the 'members' of the club.

What this equates to, is more practice time at NYSC. If something COSTS money, which everything does, the race is to compress that cost and pass that savings off to your members. Because NYSC owns their campus, they can have an additional day of practices at no additional cost.

Advantage NYSC

2. Coaching

Beachside has Mickey Kydes at the helm there, and he has been around a long time. MK knows the game as well as anyone, and the DA landscape. He is a good coach, and usually coaches the OLDEST ages. There is often 'confusion' why the strongest coach would coach the oldest age group given that they likely need less coaching than the younger kids, but that is the Beachside foot print.

NYSC has Christian Gonzales, on the US National U-14 boys coaching staff. He is a U13/U14 specialist, and coaches those younger ages.

Advantage = Even

3. Costs

They essentially cost the same, with a slightly higher price at Beachside. The difference is that NYSC offers more for that cost because of their ability to compress field costs.

Advantage = NYSC

4. DA Badges

Beachside, which began in 1994, has the full DA badge for the boys up to U-19/20

NYSC, which began in 2008, has the full DA badge up through U-17. They will get the older badge next year, making this discussion void. NYSC also has the full DA badge with girls, and is affiliated with the Sky Blue professional girls team.

Advange - short term Beachside on boys, NYSC advantage on girls

5. Training

This is subjective, but if you like Rondo, go to Beachside. If you like tactical training and on field direction, go to NYSC.

Advantage - subjective

6. Winter programming

Beachside believes in training at Omar's facility in sketch Bridgeport, its indoor turf with hockey walls around. The boys play against older girls in the winter, and they have 1 practice per week, 2 at most.

NYSC believes in futsal training, and will open their 90,000 sq foot indoor facility this coming winter at Manhattanville college. There will be a DA futsal league, and training is 3-4 times per week.

Advantage = NYSC

7. Coach interaction

Beachside believes in one 20 minute session with the coach each year. They don't want parents involved at all.

NYSC believes if you have something to say to the coach, say it. They want the boys to speak for themselves, but parents are welcome to interact with the coach at their will

Advantage = subjective

8. Partnerships and Affiliations

Beachside believes NYCFC takes from them and gives nothing back and so they attempt to block their players from being seen by NYCFC, which of course they can't really do. Other Clubs dislike them because they are rash, unbending, and Mickey rubs people the wrong way.

NYSC believes in a true partnership with NYCFC and promotes their players to reach those MLS LOCAL clubs. With a true partnership with NYCFC, and Sky Blue, NYSC is out to support their players.

Advantage = NYSC

Big picture, I believe NYSC is stronger, I have a natural bias but my bias exists for a reason. Beachside is the elder statesmen between the two, and NYSC is the 10 year new comer who is working HARD to deliver the soccer experience that merits the price tag.

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The two clubs are pretty different on a factual level. Here are a few.

1. Facilities

NYSC home campus is at Manhattanville college with two full size turf fields, one which is brand new, and a 90,000 square foot indoor facility with new turf and professional futsal courts.

Beachside rents fields all over the place, pays a lot for those fields and passes that cost off to the 'members' of the club.

What this equates to, is more practice time at NYSC. If something COSTS money, which everything does, the race is to compress that cost and pass that savings off to your members. Because NYSC owns their campus, they can have an additional day of practices at no additional cost.

Advantage NYSC

2. Coaching

Beachside has Mickey Kydes at the helm there, and he has been around a long time. MK knows the game as well as anyone, and the DA landscape. He is a good coach, and usually coaches the OLDEST ages. There is often 'confusion' why the strongest coach would coach the oldest age group given that they likely need less coaching than the younger kids, but that is the Beachside foot print.

NYSC has Christian Gonzales, on the US National U-14 boys coaching staff. He is a U13/U14 specialist, and coaches those younger ages.

Advantage = Even

3. Costs

They essentially cost the same, with a slightly higher price at Beachside. The difference is that NYSC offers more for that cost because of their ability to compress field costs.

Advantage = NYSC

4. DA Badges

Beachside, which began in 1994, has the full DA badge for the boys up to U-19/20

NYSC, which began in 2008, has the full DA badge up through U-17. They will get the older badge next year, making this discussion void. NYSC also has the full DA badge with girls, and is affiliated with the Sky Blue professional girls team.

Advange - short term Beachside on boys, NYSC advantage on girls

5. Training

This is subjective, but if you like Rondo, go to Beachside. If you like tactical training and on field direction, go to NYSC.

Advantage - subjective

6. Winter programming

Beachside believes in training at Omar's facility in sketch Bridgeport, its indoor turf with hockey walls around. The boys play against older girls in the winter, and they have 1 practice per week, 2 at most.

NYSC believes in futsal training, and will open their 90,000 sq foot indoor facility this coming winter at Manhattanville college. There will be a DA futsal league, and training is 3-4 times per week.

Advantage = NYSC

7. Coach interaction

Beachside believes in one 20 minute session with the coach each year. They don't want parents involved at all.

NYSC believes if you have something to say to the coach, say it. They want the boys to speak for themselves, but parents are welcome to interact with the coach at their will

Advantage = subjective

8. Partnerships and Affiliations

Beachside believes NYCFC takes from them and gives nothing back and so they attempt to block their players from being seen by NYCFC, which of course they can't really do. Other Clubs dislike them because they are rash, unbending, and Mickey rubs people the wrong way.

NYSC believes in a true partnership with NYCFC and promotes their players to reach those MLS LOCAL clubs. With a true partnership with NYCFC, and Sky Blue, NYSC is out to support their players.

Advantage = NYSC

Big picture, I believe NYSC is stronger, I have a natural bias but my bias exists for a reason. Beachside is the elder statesmen between the two, and NYSC is the 10 year new comer who is working HARD to deliver the soccer experience that merits the price tag.

Nice post, and agree with most of it. But sounds like NYSC is NYCFC's B Team.

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Nice post, and agree with most of it. But sounds like NYSC is NYCFC's B Team.

It is. But there's nothing wrong with that if that pathway works for top players. BS would rather ship a kid off to Kansas than lose a player to NYCFC.

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NYCFC B team

Nice post, and agree with most of it. But sounds like NYSC is NYCFC's B Team.

I think its always important to remember that NYCFC is an MLS club, with amazing resources. If the development of the MLS system enhances US soccer, then all clubs are B teams to the MLS system. So yes, by that train of thought, NYSC is.

But MLS teams can only take 18 -22 players right? So either there are ONLY 22 good players in each age group.....OR there are many more... and the club that does the best is the one that delivers the best experience and attracts the most talent.

That is what NYSC is doing.

So if NYSC has a player that is worthy of making an MLS Academy team, NYSC will promote them and support that. If that approach makes NYSC an NYCFC B team.... then that is what they are.

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Nice post, and agree with most of it. But sounds like NYSC is NYCFC's B Team.

If NYSC is the NYCFC B team, what is BS?

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What is BS

If NYSC is the NYCFC B team, what is BS?

A legacy club that ends up in tier 2 at best.

You can fight the losing fight all you want, but in the end you'll lose. That is what Beachside is doing.

Talent will leave, because the club places the CLUB over the PLAYER. Families are clients, and they need to be treated that way as they are paying for a product. If that product includes preventing their clients from advancing.... clients will leave.

Beachside IS Mickey Kydes.

The club has to evolve, change, adapt. So far they've shown none of that, only the ability to deceive and act like a petulant child.

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What it comes down to is if your player isn't MLS club material, what is the next best option? After ten years of DA I think more families are questioning the benefits of doing DA if you're not in the top group. Non MLS clubs like BS that are underperforming are the most vulnerable to losing players to non DA clubs or strong non MLS clubs. Assuming the player still wants DA then go for the best non MLS DA club you can. Based on that excellent breakdown comparing the two I'd say NYSC at this point, assuming the commute is workable for your family. But for some BS will remain a good fit for them, either because of location or other reasons

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What it comes down to is if your player isn't MLS club material, what is the next best option? After ten years of DA I think more families are questioning the benefits of doing DA if you're not in the top group. Non MLS clubs like BS that are underperforming are the most vulnerable to losing players to non DA clubs or strong non MLS clubs. Assuming the player still wants DA then go for the best non MLS DA club you can. Based on that excellent breakdown comparing the two I'd say NYSC at this point, assuming the commute is workable for your family. But for some BS will remain a good fit for them, either because of location or other reasons

FC Westchester obv also viable if NYSC is as well. Full BDA and long history.

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FC Westchester obv also viable if NYSC is as well. Full BDA and long history.

It is an option but not as good as NYSC. They were doing well with the Everton alliance and had brought in some good coaching. But that is over and it's gone back down again. Like BS and other non MLS clubs the top players will move to MLS if they can, and there's other options for players.

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It is an option but not as good as NYSC. They were doing well with the Everton alliance and had brought in some good coaching. But that is over and it's gone back down again. Like BS and other non MLS clubs the top players will move to MLS if they can, and there's other options for players.

Eh, seems like subjective conclusion I've seen posted before. Facts show for 2017-18 season U15 FCW @ 11-6-6; NYSC @ 4-13-4. That's the only head-to-head standings as NYSC doesn't have full DA yet.

(fan of both programs btw).