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    #16
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Unless of course you have no money, and on top of that spent all of your time for years on TS talking about how D3 is a total waste of time, and so (to save face on an internet board) you are forced to send your D1 scholarship kid 4 tiers down to juggernaut MCLA.
    This is a joke, right? No parent would do that.

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      #17
      And the argument that D3 schools are "academically" better than D1 schools still doesn't make any sense because most of the top D1 schools are much better academically than the top D3 schools by a large margin.

      You play D3 soccer because you can't play D1 soccer. End of story. There's nothing a D3 parent can say that will sugar coat it.

      In reality if you play for say Tufts, that's great but that also means you weren't good enough to play for Harvard which is truth a much better school academically AND athletically.

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        #18
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        And the argument that D3 schools are "academically" better than D1 schools still doesn't make any sense because....
        Of course it doesn't make any sense--and no one ever made any such general claim. And even if anyone did make such a claim, why would you care so much?

        At least one parent believes that MCLA is as good for his kid's purposes as far more highly regarded schools she could have transferred to. That belief is absurd, and sad, but no one here is angry about it.

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          #19
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          And the argument that D3 schools are "academically" better than D1 schools still doesn't make any sense because most of the top D1 schools are much better academically than the top D3 schools by a large margin.

          You play D3 soccer because you can't play D1 soccer. End of story. There's nothing a D3 parent can say that will sugar coat it.

          In reality if you play for say Tufts, that's great but that also means you weren't good enough to play for Harvard which is truth a much better school academically AND athletically.
          If you want to know the truth it is the sloppy, shoddy thinking in posts like the above that is so irksome and annoying.

          Nobody is saying anyone picks D3s over TOP D1s. Nobody is saying legit D1 prospects choose academic D3s over academic D1s. As has been discussed many times there are parameters where for some kids the choices become more difficult and as you go down the line just a bit athletically and academically the pendulum may swing for some in favor of the D3s. No true D1 athlete is going to choose NESCACs or Ivies or similar academic powerhouse D1s. But once you get to very good academic D1s (or worse) like the Bucknells and Colgates then it is not unreasonable to think that some kids will choose Williams, Amherst, Midd, Haverford, Carleton, etc. And you are just wrong to suggest that in terms of just academics that there is a "large margin" between the top D1s and top D3s. That's patently false and comes down to preferences. And none of the above should be misconstrued as suggesting that most D3 athletes are D1-caliber athletes. Most are not. That's not the real debate here as much as someone would like to distort otherwise.

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            #20
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            If you want to know the truth it is the sloppy, shoddy thinking in posts like the above that is so irksome and annoying.

            Nobody is saying anyone picks D3s over TOP D1s. Nobody is saying legit D1 prospects choose academic D3s over academic D1s. As has been discussed many times there are parameters where for some kids the choices become more difficult and as you go down the line just a bit athletically and academically the pendulum may swing for some in favor of the D3s. No true D1 athlete is going to choose NESCACs or Ivies or similar academic powerhouse D1s. But once you get to very good academic D1s (or worse) like the Bucknells and Colgates then it is not unreasonable to think that some kids will choose Williams, Amherst, Midd, Haverford, Carleton, etc. And you are just wrong to suggest that in terms of just academics that there is a "large margin" between the top D1s and top D3s. That's patently false and comes down to preferences. And none of the above should be misconstrued as suggesting that most D3 athletes are D1-caliber athletes. Most are not. That's not the real debate here as much as someone would like to distort otherwise.
            Objectively speaking any D1 soccer powerhouse like a Georgetown, Stanford, Notre Dame, Dartmouth, Northwestern, Duke, Virginia, UC-Berkeley, Harvard, etc ARE ALL better academically than ANY D3 school. Not just better, but to be frank, they're A LOT better than any D3 school.

            That comes to the inevitable conclusion that if a soccer player is able to compete academically at a school like Williams or Amherst, why couldn't he compete athletically at a school like a Duke or Harvard? The only logical explanation is that he is not good enough to play soccer at these schools.

            The D3 parents sugar coating the situation by saying, "Oh my son is just choosing a better school academically in the end" is probably one of the bigger reasons why soccer development in America is stagnant, not to mention false and untrue.

            I'll say it once again. D3 soccer players are playing at a D3 school because they aren't able to compete at the D1 level. Period. There is no logical argument against that. Sure, anyone can say a D3 school was a better fit for their son but can they really say a D3 school is better than a D1 school when looking at academics and athletics equally and objectively? The answer is a clear no.

            To a person viewing a situation subjectively, a Colby could seem like a better fit for his/her son than a Duke because it's cheaper or closer to home. But does that make Colby a better overall school for soccer and academics? No.

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              #21
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              ok, this is a ridiculous thread all around of course....stupid comment about D3 players..and even mores stupid that most D1 players are average. Did you mother drop you on your head repeatedly as a baby?
              You don't watch much international soccer do ya?

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                #22
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Objectively speaking any D1 soccer powerhouse like a Georgetown, Stanford, Notre Dame, Dartmouth, Northwestern, Duke, Virginia, UC-Berkeley, Harvard, etc ARE ALL better academically than ANY D3 school. Not just better, but to be frank, they're A LOT better than any D3 school.

                That comes to the inevitable conclusion that if a soccer player is able to compete academically at a school like Williams or Amherst, why couldn't he compete athletically at a school like a Duke or Harvard? The only logical explanation is that he is not good enough to play soccer at these schools.

                The D3 parents sugar coating the situation by saying, "Oh my son is just choosing a better school academically in the end" is probably one of the bigger reasons why soccer development in America is stagnant, not to mention false and untrue.

                I'll say it once again. D3 soccer players are playing at a D3 school because they aren't able to compete at the D1 level. Period. There is no logical argument against that. Sure, anyone can say a D3 school was a better fit for their son but can they really say a D3 school is better than a D1 school when looking at academics and athletics equally and objectively? The answer is a clear no.

                To a person viewing a situation subjectively, a Colby could seem like a better fit for his/her son than a Duke because it's cheaper or closer to home. But does that make Colby a better overall school for soccer and academics? No.
                Your reading comprehension is really poor, or else you didn't bother to read the post.

                1) Kids who could play soccer at the D1s you listed would choose the D1s. There was no argument about that. The academics are just as good and the athletics are much better.

                2) The academics at those D1 are not better, and certainly not a lot better, than the top D3s. Yes, they have larger campuses, more majors, and often more resources, but the actual education one gets is not better. You are clueless if you think otherwise.

                3) As already explained a 100 times, the calculus becomes tougher for families where the kids can't play soccer at the top athletic and academic D1s but can play at lesser athletic but still strong academic D1s (e.g. Patriot League schools), and they are admits at top 15 academic D3s which also tend to be in the upper echelon in terms of D3 athletics.

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                  #23
                  BTDT, consider for a day or two whether you may be a little oversaturated on the site right now.

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Your reading comprehension is really poor, or else you didn't bother to read the post.

                    1) Kids who could play soccer at the D1s you listed would choose the D1s. There was no argument about that. The academics are just as good and the athletics are much better.

                    2) The academics at those D1 are not better, and certainly not a lot better, than the top D3s. Yes, they have larger campuses, more majors, and often more resources, but the actual education one gets is not better. You are clueless if you think otherwise.

                    3) As already explained a 100 times, the calculus becomes tougher for families where the kids can't play soccer at the top athletic and academic D1s but can play at lesser athletic but still strong academic D1s (e.g. Patriot League schools), and they are admits at top 15 academic D3s which also tend to be in the upper echelon in terms of D3 athletics.
                    Seriously though, how many kids do you actually think are in the situation you explain in #3? Certainly not the majority of D3 players.

                    And if you know anything about the recruitment process, most of the kids who are being recruited by academic D1/D3s the schools have them apply either early decision or early action so your situation would rarely happen if at all to any players being highly recruited by either D1 or D3 schools. My point: Most already know where they are going before the 2nd quarter of their senior year.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Seriously though, how many kids do you actually think are in the situation you explain in #3? Certainly not the majority of D3 players.

                      And if you know anything about the recruitment process, most of the kids who are being recruited by academic D1/D3s the schools have them apply either early decision or early action so your situation would rarely happen if at all to any players being highly recruited by either D1 or D3 schools. My point: Most already know where they are going before the 2nd quarter of their senior year.
                      You are so tedious. I have addressed your concern about #3 twice in 20 minutes and over a 100 times in the past 2 years. Yes, NOT the majority of D3 players. We're talking about a small percentage, but I'm sure there are at least a few kids every, especially in Mass with our demographic and the whole prep school crowd, where there are offers from schools like Bucknell, Colgate, Lehigh, Holy Cross, Davidson, etc AND top academic D3s where the decision is a close call, and where some of those few may in fact choose a D3 (and very possibly in part because they believe they will play more and have a better athletic career at the D3). BTW, it's also a small percentage overall in terms of qualifying for top D3s academically and athletically. The majority of high school student-athletes do not qualify for those schools on one or both of those prongs.

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                        #26
                        BBTT, how are you enjoying your afternoon?

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          And the argument that D3 schools are "academically" better than D1 schools still doesn't make any sense because most of the top D1 schools are much better academically than the top D3 schools by a large margin.

                          You play D3 soccer because you can't play D1 soccer. End of story. There's nothing a D3 parent can say that will sugar coat it.

                          In reality if you play for say Tufts, that's great but that also means you weren't good enough to play for Harvard which is truth a much better school academically AND athletically.
                          99% chance it means the kid couldn't get in to Harvard. I'm quite certain there are several better players on the Tufts roster than players on the Harvard roster. In fact, that is undeniably true.

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                            #28
                            choice

                            And some kids love playing but are tired of the grind and just don't WANT to play D1. Yes! Some great athletes actually choose to step off the treadmill so that they can have more balance. They may recognize that they want to be a doctor, a lawyer - or any other career - and that they won't become a professional soccer player. Some of those kids are just embracing a different approach to enjoying a sport they love.

                            More importantly, why do people have to berate any level athlete? Even those who choose to play club sports?

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Objectively speaking any D1 soccer powerhouse like a Georgetown, Stanford, Notre Dame, Dartmouth, Northwestern, Duke, Virginia, UC-Berkeley, Harvard, etc ARE ALL better academically than ANY D3 school. Not just better, but to be frank, they're A LOT better than any D3 school.

                              That comes to the inevitable conclusion that if a soccer player is able to compete academically at a school like Williams or Amherst, why couldn't he compete athletically at a school like a Duke or Harvard? The only logical explanation is that he is not good enough to play soccer at these schools.

                              The D3 parents sugar coating the situation by saying, "Oh my son is just choosing a better school academically in the end" is probably one of the bigger reasons why soccer development in America is stagnant, not to mention false and untrue.

                              I'll say it once again. D3 soccer players are playing at a D3 school because they aren't able to compete at the D1 level. Period. There is no logical argument against that. Sure, anyone can say a D3 school was a better fit for their son but can they really say a D3 school is better than a D1 school when looking at academics and athletics equally and objectively? The answer is a clear no.

                              To a person viewing a situation subjectively, a Colby could seem like a better fit for his/her son than a Duke because it's cheaper or closer to home. But does that make Colby a better overall school for soccer and academics? No.
                              No, but Williams is better than Duke. If my kid chose Duke over Williams she'd be paying her own tuition.

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                99% chance it means the kid couldn't get in to Harvard. I'm quite certain there are several better players on the Tufts roster than players on the Harvard roster. In fact, that is undeniably true.
                                That's actually undeniably false. If we're talking about kids who actually play, if there are any Tufts players who are better than starters/regulars for Harvard they would have gotten in Harvard. Tufts' median SATs are extremely close to that of Harvard. I know kids who didn't get in Tufts who would have gotten in Harvard if they could have played there.

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