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    #31
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    These "Showcases" are a huge rip-off.

    The people running them make a good amount of money, the college coaches get a nice trip to a warm location, the club coaches also get a free trip and the parents pay through the nose thinking their son or daughter will be discovered. It is all a myth!

    The way to get onto a college soccer roster is to become a very good player, get excellent marks in school. Then, go to a summer camp where the coach or coaches you are trying to impress will be able to see your player playing while talking with and getting to know your player. This works very well if your player has contacted the coach up front letting her or him know of the interest in their team and school.

    This is far more effective and you will save time and a good amount of money.
    Yes and no - both my kids (boy and girl) got lots of traction from showcases. You have to be careful with the camps because some are just giant money grabs with lots of players. A coach will be more likely to look for you if they've seen you play already and liked what they saw. In the summer all the camps are jammed together mid June to late July and planning can get tricky (and some just overlap altogether). Also, if there's travel involved then that plus the camp cost adds up. A player should utilize any and all chances to get in front of coaches

    But I do question the need to attend an event in FL during what is probably the most expensive and least convenient times to go. There's lot of other good showcases out there during the year, almost of all of which are drivable (other than National ECNL events like TX).

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      #32
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Are there NPL players every bit as good as ECNL players? Yes. Will those same NPL players have as many opportunities to land soccer money? No. NPL players just don't get the same level of exposure as ECNL players. All things being equal,college coaches will go to ECNL events simply because it's the best league. They will watch girls playing against the best competition. A flashy NPL player is suspect because she's not doing it against ECNL competitors.
      Compete hogwash. If your kid can play, the college coaches will find them regardless of the league they play in. Over the past 2 years the 3 local NPL teams have sent more players to higher level programs that have impacted than the 2 local ECNL teams. If you believe the hogwash, none of the players from the NPL clubs would have even been recruited. The truth is talent is what coaches look for not the league patch on their uniform.

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        #33
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Yes and no - both my kids (boy and girl) got lots of traction from showcases. You have to be careful with the camps because some are just giant money grabs with lots of players. A coach will be more likely to look for you if they've seen you play already and liked what they saw. In the summer all the camps are jammed together mid June to late July and planning can get tricky (and some just overlap altogether). Also, if there's travel involved then that plus the camp cost adds up. A player should utilize any and all chances to get in front of coaches

        But I do question the need to attend an event in FL during what is probably the most expensive and least convenient times to go. There's lot of other good showcases out there during the year, almost of all of which are drivable (other than National ECNL events like TX).
        Camps beat the hell out of trying to stand out against thousands of similar players at a showcase.

        The trick to successfully navigating the recruiting waters is having your club coach reach out to the college coaches to weigh their interest before you even think about attending their camp. The real issue is far too few club coaches either have the connections or the will to do that. Most leave their players to flounder around trying to figure out who if anyone is interested. That's like ice fishing through a tiny hole because most of the time you have no idea what is going on.

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          #34
          Why would NPL schedule the same week as ECNL for a showcase when 90% of colleges are attending ECNL event?

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            #35
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Why would NPL schedule the same week as ECNL for a showcase when 90% of colleges are attending ECNL event?
            Because all the coaches are down in FL right now - ECNL, NPL and Disney. The theory is it's convenient for coaches to see lots of players. In reality coaches will attend events where they have had luck in the past and where there's a higher number of players that seem like they'd be a good fit for their programs. There's only so much time and energy to attend games, or programs can only send so many head and assistant coaches.

            In the future expect to see even fewer coaches at NPL events - it will become the #3 league behind ECNL and GDA

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              #36
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Camps beat the hell out of trying to stand out against thousands of similar players at a showcase.

              The trick to successfully navigating the recruiting waters is having your club coach reach out to the college coaches to weigh their interest before you even think about attending their camp. The real issue is far too few club coaches either have the connections or the will to do that. Most leave their players to flounder around trying to figure out who if anyone is interested. That's like ice fishing through a tiny hole because most of the time you have no idea what is going on.
              Thanks for still caring and looking out for us so much, BTDT.

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                #37
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Thanks for still caring and looking out for us so much, BTDT.
                And it is nice to know that you are still here spreading misinformation about how the recruiting works process. You can't be suggesting that you just spend thousands of dollars with absolutely no idea of who is even interested in your player can you? That would be a ridiculous waste of time, energy and money which usually results in the player making a regrettable decision and ultimately a transfer.

                Since this process is now starting years before it ever did when you had kids playing soccer, parents who know what they are doing start by using the middle school years to prep their kid for making their college decision. Visiting schools and going to camps are now much more a part of the discovery and self enlightenment process than they are the exposure process. Parents now have a short list of schools that have been vetted for reciprocal interest before they even book the flights to their showcase.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  And it is nice to know that you are still here spreading misinformation about how the recruiting works process. You can't be suggesting that you just spend thousands of dollars with absolutely no idea of who is even interested in your player can you? That would be a ridiculous waste of time, energy and money which usually results in the player making a regrettable decision and ultimately a transfer.

                  Since this process is now starting years before it ever did when you had kids playing soccer, parents who know what they are doing start by using the middle school years to prep their kid for making their college decision. Visiting schools and going to camps are now much more a part of the discovery and self enlightenment process than they are the exposure process. Parents now have a short list of schools that have been vetted for reciprocal interest before they even book the flights to their showcase.
                  I haven't spread anything. I don't tell others what they "MUST realize." And, lol, you should definitely have some insights to share about transfers and poor choices.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    I haven't spread anything. I don't tell others what they "MUST realize." And, lol, you should definitely have some insights to share about transfers and poor choices.
                    Sure you haven't. If you knew the first thing about any of it you would just shut your pie hole and learn something instead of getting in a ******* match with everyone on this forum about who is posting what and constantly trying to discredit helpful information.

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                      #40
                      Who posted, and/or why they posted is irrelevant. Is the advice sound?
                      The short answer is IT IS!.

                      College Coaches are NOT roaming the fields looking to ID your child out of the masses. They are going to quickly assess those players that expressed interest via web-site or standard self-intro email, or they are continuing a mutual courtship. The courtship most typically began through a specific referral from club coach, or having met a player at a camp. The camp is either their own (unfiltered) pay-to-be-seen camp, or a filtered camp sponsored by ODP, ID2, etc.

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Who posted, and/or why they posted is irrelevant. Is the advice sound?
                        The short answer is IT IS!.

                        College Coaches are NOT roaming the fields looking to ID your child out of the masses. They are going to quickly assess those players that expressed interest via web-site or standard self-intro email, or they are continuing a mutual courtship. The courtship most typically began through a specific referral from club coach, or having met a player at a camp. The camp is either their own (unfiltered) pay-to-be-seen camp, or a filtered camp sponsored by ODP, ID2, etc.
                        At most a coach can only stay to watch half a showcase match. Plenty don't even stay that long. If the game is uneventful or terribly one sided - even worse if you're a keeper getting no action - then a coach is getting a very incomplete picture. That's why they want to see you multiple times, even better if it's on his/her campus over a longer period of time so he/she can spend more time watching, as well as watch how you interact with other players and potential teammates. The whole staff can be observing as well (and GKs will get a separate look by the school GK trainer) whereas at showcases the staff often has to split up to cover more ground.

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          At most a coach can only stay to watch half a showcase match. Plenty don't even stay that long. If the game is uneventful or terribly one sided - even worse if you're a keeper getting no action - then a coach is getting a very incomplete picture. That's why they want to see you multiple times, even better if it's on his/her campus over a longer period of time so he/she can spend more time watching, as well as watch how you interact with other players and potential teammates. The whole staff can be observing as well (and GKs will get a separate look by the school GK trainer) whereas at showcases the staff often has to split up to cover more ground.
                          All very true. The troll that made that earlier comment literally hasn't been to showcase to know what is going on. If they had they would know that they are nothing more than flesh markets where the only players that get anything done are the ones that have specific college coaches coming to their game to specifically watch them play. The chances of a player being "discovered" at one are slim to none.

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Sure you haven't. If you knew the first thing about any of it you would just shut your pie hole and learn something instead of getting in a ******* match with everyone on this forum about who is posting what and constantly trying to discredit helpful information.
                            If only TS and the world in general could get even more helpful insights from you we might make America great again lol. As usual, you have to be schooled that not everything is either or. You can play at tournaments with your team, because you do need a competitive team to train and play with and ALSO go to more targeted camps and clinics. Apparently most figure things out. Now, let's talk about your miserable record of failures "whoever you are."

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                              #44
                              Looks to me that NEFC girls program has not fared well in the age re-grouping. Most teams are struggling in late Fall/Winter tourneys against average competition.

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                Looks to me that NEFC girls program has not fared well in the age re-grouping. Most teams are struggling in late Fall/Winter tourneys against average competition.
                                You need to factor in the ECNL teams that have been doing very well. NEFC Breakers top teams are now ECNL and not NPL.

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