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    #76
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Unfortunately even at OC we do not see the progression upward. A keeper signed A homegrown but cannot even get minutes at OCB and still plays DA at times. A kid from residency that signed with OCB that never really was a part of club and is from New York but yet da claims they developed? We have seen a few from u18 da sit on bench at OCB games but never get minutes or a contract. Other MLS academies are moving players up steadily compared to OC. Commitment does not seem to be there from the club. Hopefully by the time my u12 da kid gets older things will change.
    The Revs signed a kid last year (who supposedly passed up many college opportunities ) and he has essentially never played. If you're a high school kid seeing that as an example, the college path with probably a hefty scholarship seems a much safer route

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      #77
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      The Revs signed a kid last year (who supposedly passed up many college opportunities ) and he has essentially never played. If you're a high school kid seeing that as an example, the college path with probably a hefty scholarship seems a much safer route
      And smarter. Hard to imagine encouraging a kid to give up college for minimum MLS contract.

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        #78
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        And smarter. Hard to imagine encouraging a kid to give up college for minimum MLS contract.
        Yes you can better understand hot basketball or football prospects willing to take that chance. Soccer is completely different not only in terms of salary but do you do it for MLS? If you're good enough to go to EPL that's a different story, but that happens very rarely with US players.

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          #79
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          The Revs signed a kid last year (who supposedly passed up many college opportunities ) and he has essentially never played. If you're a high school kid seeing that as an example, the college path with probably a hefty scholarship seems a much safer route
          That story is true and the Revs had the player since a young age. They are awful at development and I would guess they signed him as bait to other DA hopefuls because while I wish him the best, he doesn't belong in pro soccer and now there is no going back to college soccer where I'm not too sure he would have played either. But at least he would have got an education.

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            #80
            And they think this system will work on the girls side - where there isn't even a pro path anyway? Give up HS, strong ECNL teams, etc all for mediocrity?

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              #81
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              That story is true and the Revs had the player since a young age. They are awful at development and I would guess they signed him as bait to other DA hopefuls because while I wish him the best, he doesn't belong in pro soccer and now there is no going back to college soccer where I'm not too sure he would have played either. But at least he would have got an education.
              And what did he get paid for that? Maybe $40,000 a year? A top prospect would have gotten a substantial package from a good university. Now he'll have to pay for that education. At least in Europe if you tank out of the pros you don't have to take on $150,000 in debt to go to college. The rewards are greater if you succeed there (better pay, visibility, competition) and the risks are lower. We simply can't provide that here.

              Even NT players don't want to risk their college scholarships. Maybe one thing they could do (besides blow up DA) is give NT players a more substantial financial incentive to train year round - that way going to college won't be so pressing.

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                #82
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                And they think this system will work on the girls side - where there isn't even a pro path anyway? Give up HS, strong ECNL teams, etc all for mediocrity?
                To be fair, it will give them the best shot at a college scholarship which should be any girls goal. Mallory Pugh just took some awful advice and threw her chance at a free education out the window.

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                  #83
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  To be fair, it will give them the best shot at a college scholarship which should be any girls goal. Mallory Pugh just took some awful advice and threw her chance at a free education out the window.
                  An education in what, marketing history. If she wants to be a professional soccer player for the next 15 years she doesn't need college to do that. after that she might want to be a coach, don't need a college degree for that either

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                    #84
                    [QUOTE=Unregistered;1868428]The Revs signed a kid last year (who supposedly passed up many college opportunities ) and he has essentially never played. If you're a high school kid seeing that as an example, the college path with probably a hefty scholarship seems a much safer route[/QUOTE

                    If you're talking about ZH, they signed him to a multi-year deal at just over 60k a year. Go to college and make no money for 2-4 years or get paid 60k a year to play professional soccer? Not a tough choice for 18 year olds who's goal is to play pro. Yes they could have received an education, they can still do that while playing pro and the Revs would probably help him pay for it

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                      #85
                      [QUOTE=Unregistered;1873806]
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      The Revs signed a kid last year (who supposedly passed up many college opportunities ) and he has essentially never played. If you're a high school kid seeing that as an example, the college path with probably a hefty scholarship seems a much safer route[/QUOTE

                      If you're talking about ZH, they signed him to a multi-year deal at just over 60k a year. Go to college and make no money for 2-4 years or get paid 60k a year to play professional soccer? Not a tough choice for 18 year olds who's goal is to play pro. Yes they could have received an education, they can still do that while playing pro and the Revs would probably help him pay for it
                      lol the Revs are known as one of the cheapest teams in the league, MLS and DA. Kraft doesn't give a rat's azz about the MLS team and even less about DA. They're not even doing the mandated U12 age group this year.

                      He's 21 years old now and here's his record (from Revolution website)

                      MLS CAREER: The Homegrown Player is in second season with the first team…Signed first professional contract in May 2015 and made one MLS appearance through June 2016, logging four minutes…Spent four years in the Revolution Academy beginning in the 2011-12 season…Named the inaugural Revolution Academy Player of the Year in 2014.

                      2016: Through the month of June, has appeared in one game and logged four minutes of action…Appeared in two U.S. Open Cup matches…Made first professional start against the Carolina RailHawks on June 15…Scored the game-winning goal, his first score as a professional, in extra time…Played 58 minutes as a substitute in the club’s U.S. Open Cup Round of 16 match against the New York Cosmos…(3/20) at PHI: Made MLS debut to become the third Revolution Academy and Homegrown Player signing to log minutes with the first team.

                      2015: Became New England’s third ever Homegrown Player when he signed his first professional contract on May 2…Did not appear in an MLS game…Made professional debut in a U.S. Open Cup Fourth Round match vs. Charlotte Independence when he replaced Daigo Kobayashi as a substitute in the 87th minute.

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                        #86
                        [QUOTE=Unregistered;1873806]
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        The Revs signed a kid last year (who supposedly passed up many college opportunities ) and he has essentially never played. If you're a high school kid seeing that as an example, the college path with probably a hefty scholarship seems a much safer route[/QUOTE

                        If you're talking about ZH, they signed him to a multi-year deal at just over 60k a year. Go to college and make no money for 2-4 years or get paid 60k a year to play professional soccer? Not a tough choice for 18 year olds who's goal is to play pro. Yes they could have received an education, they can still do that while playing pro and the Revs would probably help him pay for it
                        In my experience, 18 yr olds are generally not equipped to make those kind of decisions.

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                          #87
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          To be fair, it will give them the best shot at a college scholarship which should be any girls goal. Mallory Pugh just took some awful advice and threw her chance at a free education out the window.
                          Wow, you drink the kool-aid that everyone needs to go to college. There is a list of billionaires that did not go to college.

                          The opportunity to play at the professional level is rarer than getting a college scholarship. Also, you can always go back to college. Take your shot you only get one.

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                            #88
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Wow, you drink the kool-aid that everyone needs to go to college. There is a list of billionaires that did not go to college.

                            The opportunity to play at the professional level is rarer than getting a college scholarship. Also, you can always go back to college. Take your shot you only get one.
                            A list of women? Not celebrities, actresses, or models? In recent history? Who became billionaires on their own, not married into it? I'm sorry, I can't find that list, can you point me to it?

                            Point is, you can't take advantage of a college scholarship after playing professionally, but you can always play professionally after college. The list of failed professional soccer players is a hell of a lot longer than the list of billionaires who didn't go to college.

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                              #89
                              [QUOTE=Unregistered;1873806]
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              The Revs signed a kid last year (who supposedly passed up many college opportunities ) and he has essentially never played. If you're a high school kid seeing that as an example, the college path with probably a hefty scholarship seems a much safer route[/QUOTE

                              If you're talking about ZH, they signed him to a multi-year deal at just over 60k a year. Go to college and make no money for 2-4 years or get paid 60k a year to play professional soccer? Not a tough choice for 18 year olds who's goal is to play pro. Yes they could have received an education, they can still do that while playing pro and the Revs would probably help him pay for it
                              No brainer to me. That is not chump change. There are hard working professionals with advanced degrees who do not make that much a year. Sad but true. I say congrats to him for fulfilling a dream and getting a nice paycheck to do it. Is it hardcore money like others. No. Is it a nice salary in general. Absolutely. For an 18 year-old, no kids, no debts . . . he will be living a nice life!!

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                                #90
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                Wow, you drink the kool-aid that everyone needs to go to college. There is a list of billionaires that did not go to college.

                                The opportunity to play at the professional level is rarer than getting a college scholarship. Also, you can always go back to college. Take your shot you only get one.
                                Totally agree. And with online classes, she can still "go to college" and be a professional. People need to change with the times. College is not only what it has been in the past. Her playing experience will be at a higher level from the jump.

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