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The Stars propaganda machine tried to spin this as the implosion of DA. Some of us are just pointing out that it is the implosion of Stars DA, the rest of the league will continue to be the only place for year-round elite player development. You can’t deny that. -
i keep reading about the product USSF delivered. This is BS. The USSF delivered a framework. Each Club then implemented it and created a product. all attacks on the USSF should be limited to the framework they delivered - 4x, No HS ( waivers) , Travel , league composition, things like that . For me 4x and No Hs are good. Travel is not too different form other leagues and hard to address. There are some Clubs who should not be in the league but that takes time to resolve and Im sure will be.
Most of the other complaints are about implementation which is a Club issue. The very sane Clubs that many are praising for leaving the GDA. I wonder what would have happened if the USSF had said no waivers from the get go?Comment
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Dude, you lost 4 of the very top teams in GDA. It's only the beginning of the defection back to ECNL. DA is now the 2nd tier league.
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Yes, but USSF awarded it to too many clubs and ended up with a watered down product. I do fault USSF for handing out too many licenses without regards to the requirements they espoused.Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
At the end of the day, clubs don't belong in both leagues. They both compete for the same player pool and there is not enough talent to support both adequately.Comment
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Why did gda put these ECNL clubs in the gda? Dumb.
But the ecnl clubs should have just stayed out of it and competed on the strength of their product, rather then pretending to be interested for a year and then sabotaging the league. That strategy uses kids.Comment
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They were not all top teams in the GDA though. Clubs that were not committed to it are leaving. thats a very different scenarioComment
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All the turmoil will be a blessing in disguise if it results in some regions sticking with one league and some regions going with the other.
Then we are finally done with this useless "national" league nonsense which just wastes all our time and money.Comment
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the USSF are a lot of things, but they are held to a higher standard. they cannot be vindictive or exclusionary. they had to offer the big Clubs entry. the ECNL on the other hand is both vindictive and manipulative because they are motivated by self interest and run by some pretty samll minded men. with personal agendas.Originally posted by Unregistered View PostComment
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reducing the # of clubs may well happen. we are not even thru yr 1 yet. Stars or PDA could have said to the USSF , we dont think we can do both.Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
Communication, honesty ...goes a long way.Comment
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OK. Well here we are. The gda will find some replacement clubs and on we go. Just watch your player's back wherever you end up.Comment
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Rubbish. Bottom line, USSF does not belong in club soccer. They showed how little they added to an already established product by way of ECNL. ECNL stepped up and provided a platform when US Soccer invested all of their resources in boys only. There was never a disagreement in principle with ECNL that would have required the formation of an additional league. All they did was create their own league on basically the same ECNL platform and added no value. USSF is screwing up USSoccer, and I hope many more teams defect back to ECNL. Honesty is a two way street.
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USSF needed those top clubs to give the league scale and credibility. There just aren't that many good clubs out there. Look at some of the dogs they had to let in, like LISC, just to try and make travel workable. The departure of three truly top clubs leaving is seismic, with several others also rumored.Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
As for the clubs trying to do both? They were hedging their bets and I don't really blame them. It wasn't clear which way the market would swing - would GDA become what BDA is? They didn't want to risk being shut out. They're pulling out because 1) they're listening to their customers (it is a business after all) and 2) realizing it doesn't work for them as a club/don't see the league succeeding in its present form/chaffing under USSF leadership. Yes the kids are caught up in this mess. ECNL isn't entirely blameless in it all, but USSF bears the brunt of blame in creating this mess. They were more interested in control and (hopefully) putting ECNL out of business, along with caring about maybe 50 girls per age group nationwide. The rest of the players are practice cones and the clubs merely geographic placeholders. They haven't exactly won many fans with this, topped off with the age change move that impacts many players each and every year.Comment
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They did do both and they did fine. They tried it and didn't like it. So now they move on and concentrate on their business model. That is call free enterprise and it is one of the truly wonderful things about our country.Originally posted by Unregistered View PostComment
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No the reality is girls soccer cannot do both. There just isn't enough talent to for two national leagues. Nor does a large national league do right by the nation's top talent. They would be better served with something much smaller are more focused on their needs. the remaining players can be served with ECNL and its focus on college soccerOriginally posted by Unregistered View PostComment
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Is NPL a national league? Out of interest, how many players do you think qualify for the term, nations top talent?Originally posted by Unregistered View PostComment
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