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    #16
    Originally posted by Unregistered
    Players will still be able to call coaches, but there can be no recruiting discussions before junior year. True about nothing is binding for the early commits. It's all verbal.
    I heard this too. It’s a proposed change for all sports except football and basketball. Ask Chris. He will tell you what’s written here is true and the expected date is 4/1. That does not mean that if your child is not recruited before that date he/she is destined for D3. That’s ridiculous and I haven’t seen that suggestion posted.

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      #17
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Please parents, educate yourself about how the recruiting process works. The prior couple of posts are the idle musings of a person who doesn’t know the first thing about the subject and you are stupid enough to believe any of it your kid will end up with nothing but D3 options. Bottom line is you are asking when recruiting starts you are already too late.
      No. NCAA rules. Very easy to find and confirm. Period. Stop spreading FUD and disinformation. Coaches are not allowed to make contact with a player until their junior year. All commitments prior to NLi signing in senior year are non-binding.

      If there is contact with a coach prior to junior year, it is initiated through your club or by contacting the coach via phone or in-person at their school. You can't talk to them at a tournament or anywhere else other than at their school. A player can start reaching out via email any time, but you will not get a direct response unless using the above methods mentioned. Again, this is all covered in NCAA rules.

      As to whether a 7th or 8th grader should be making a decision about which college to go to when they likely havn't made a decision regarding high school and have little to no idea what they they plan on studying and what career options are in front of them, not to mention they haven't even taken a PSAT yet, well... let's be realistic. You're kid will need a career after college and it won't be as a pro soccer player. All this FUD regarding time lines and getting started early is exactly that. Hell, clubs prey on that fear... educate yourself and make smart, measured decisions.

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        #18
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        No. NCAA rules. Very easy to find and confirm. Period. Stop spreading FUD and disinformation. Coaches are not allowed to make contact with a player until their junior year. All commitments prior to NLi signing in senior year are non-binding.

        If there is contact with a coach prior to junior year, it is initiated through your club or by contacting the coach via phone or in-person at their school. You can't talk to them at a tournament or anywhere else other than at their school. A player can start reaching out via email any time, but you will not get a direct response unless using the above methods mentioned. Again, this is all covered in NCAA rules.

        As to whether a 7th or 8th grader should be making a decision about which college to go to when they likely havn't made a decision regarding high school and have little to no idea what they they plan on studying and what career options are in front of them, not to mention they haven't even taken a PSAT yet, well... let's be realistic. You're kid will need a career after college and it won't be as a pro soccer player. All this FUD regarding time lines and getting started early is exactly that. Hell, clubs prey on that fear... educate yourself and make smart, measured decisions.
        This is the part of the current system that is changing: If there is contact with a coach prior to junior year, it is initiated through your club or by contacting the coach via phone or in-person at their school. You can't talk to them at a tournament or anywhere else other than at their school. A player can start reaching out via email any time, but you will not get a direct response unless using the above methods mentioned. Again, this is all covered in NCAA rules.

        All this is true, but the conversations prior to junior year cannot relate to recruiting. Look at the lax rules. That’s where Soccer is headed.

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          #19
          Originally posted by Unregistered
          I'm all for that. 15 year olds shouldn't be making decisions on college when they aren't even a quarter of the way through high school.
          If Stanford comes calling at 15, I’m accepting for her!

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            #20
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Nothing but D3 options? Depends on why you are going to college. Academics or soccer? I can think of plenty of D3 schools I’d be proud to have my child go to. Don’t be a snot and assume the only worthwhile path is D1.
            So the agenda is fairly obvious now. This particular person fills this site with tons of erroneous and misleading information about the recruiting process because they don’t personally aggree with the concept of D1 collegiate athletics. History has shown that they are actually the exact sort of “snot” who can only see one path.. their path which leads to a D3 school. The reality is there really is no such thing as D3 recruiting because D3 coaches have next to no ability to influence the admissions process at their schools nor do they have any financial inducements to offer a prospect. What happens at D3 is more about influencing where kids apply than what happens at the the D1/D2 levels which is about bartering athletic ability for an education. With D1/D2 recruiting there is a definite timeline and if you miss your kid misses their window of opportunity they basically are out of luck whereas in the D3 world the timeline really follows the school’s normal admissions timeline which essentially happens in the senior year. That’s where the comment about only having D3 options comes from. The truth really is though that if your kid misses their window of opportunity they don’t have to limit themselves to the small, Uber liberal D3 schools favored by a few on this site because there a plenty of extraordinary D1 level universities that your kid could go to if they don’t insist on prioritizing soccer over their education.

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              #21
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              This is the part of the current system that is changing: If there is contact with a coach prior to junior year, it is initiated through your club or by contacting the coach via phone or in-person at their school. You can't talk to them at a tournament or anywhere else other than at their school. A player can start reaching out via email any time, but you will not get a direct response unless using the above methods mentioned. Again, this is all covered in NCAA rules.

              All this is true, but the conversations prior to junior year cannot relate to recruiting. Look at the lax rules. That’s where Soccer is headed.
              No one has shown proof that soccer is adopting LAX rules. While I agree the system needs to change we all know coaches will find loopholes just like they do now.

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                #22
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                So the agenda is fairly obvious now. This particular person fills this site with tons of erroneous and misleading information about the recruiting process because they don’t personally aggree with the concept of D1 collegiate athletics. History has shown that they are actually the exact sort of “snot” who can only see one path.. their path which leads to a D3 school. The reality is there really is no such thing as D3 recruiting because D3 coaches have next to no ability to influence the admissions process at their schools nor do they have any financial inducements to offer a prospect. What happens at D3 is more about influencing where kids apply than what happens at the the D1/D2 levels which is about bartering athletic ability for an education. With D1/D2 recruiting there is a definite timeline and if you miss your kid misses their window of opportunity they basically are out of luck whereas in the D3 world the timeline really follows the school’s normal admissions timeline which essentially happens in the senior year. That’s where the comment about only having D3 options comes from. The truth really is though that if your kid misses their window of opportunity they don’t have to limit themselves to the small, Uber liberal D3 schools favored by a few on this site because there a plenty of extraordinary D1 level universities that your kid could go to if they don’t insist on prioritizing soccer over their education.
                All depends on level, and with hundreds of D1 and D3 schools there is no universal rule that if you're not wrapped up by freshman year you're screwed.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  All depends on level, and with hundreds of D1 and D3 schools there is no universal rule that if you're not wrapped up by freshman year you're screwed.
                  Oops.meant D2 above not D3. Not many soccer families are interested in D2 anyway because of academics. They would rather their kid attend a good D3 academic than a crappie D2 school

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    No. NCAA rules. Very easy to find and confirm. Period. Stop spreading FUD and disinformation. Coaches are not allowed to make contact with a player until their junior year. All commitments prior to NLi signing in senior year are non-binding.

                    If there is contact with a coach prior to junior year, it is initiated through your club or by contacting the coach via phone or in-person at their school. You can't talk to them at a tournament or anywhere else other than at their school. A player can start reaching out via email any time, but you will not get a direct response unless using the above methods mentioned. Again, this is all covered in NCAA rules.

                    As to whether a 7th or 8th grader should be making a decision about which college to go to when they likely havn't made a decision regarding high school and have little to no idea what they they plan on studying and what career options are in front of them, not to mention they haven't even taken a PSAT yet, well... let's be realistic. You're kid will need a career after college and it won't be as a pro soccer player. All this FUD regarding time lines and getting started early is exactly that. Hell, clubs prey on that fear... educate yourself and make smart, measured decisions.
                    I’ve had 2 kids play soccer at the D1 level. You clearly have no experience with “recruiting” and clearly have a pre conceived bias against anything but the normal college admissions timeline. The rules you are taking about have been in existence in one form or another from the beginning. Where you are really making your mistake is in thinking that they prevent communication from happening. That’s just not true. Nothing prevents a kid from calling a coach. Coach just can’t call the kid. There really is no limitation on the amount of contact between a college coach and a kids club coach. You’d actually be amazed at the amount of perfectly legal dialogue that can take place. Now whether or not it is a good thing, that really depends on your kid, but you should recognize that some of the top universities information our country are recruiting the youngest players because they are also the top soccer programs. As someone wrote previously, “if Stanford comes calling, you’re going listen”

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Oops.meant D2 above not D3. Not many soccer families are interested in D2 anyway because of academics. They would rather their kid attend a good D3 academic than a crappie D2 school
                      But some quality players struggle academically and can good athletic money at D2. Not every kid is a great student, and if the family needs help with college $, D2 might be the best path. Every one has such different needs and circumstances, that I just laugh at all these fights about which is the “best” or “right” way. No such thing.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        All depends on level, and with hundreds of D1 and D3 schools there is no universal rule that if you're not wrapped up by freshman year you're screwed.
                        Most D1 prospects are now actively engaged in their personality recruitment process by their freshman year. When their window of opportunity closes is really a function of the level of soccer and the individual coach. Suffice to say though that an ACC school will generally be done with their recruiting class at least a year (maybe even 2) before a Patriot League school will be.

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Most D1 prospects are now actively engaged in their personality recruitment process by their freshman year. When their window of opportunity closes is really a function of the level of soccer and the individual coach. Suffice to say though that an ACC school will generally be done with their recruiting class at least a year (maybe even 2) before a Patriot League school will be.
                          Again, it's all about level. Even within D1 there is a lot of variation

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            But some quality players struggle academically and can good athletic money at D2. Not every kid is a great student, and if the family needs help with college $, D2 might be the best path. Every one has such different needs and circumstances, that I just laugh at all these fights about which is the “best” or “right” way. No such thing.
                            Amen. Not every kid is a great student. So true. The most important thing is getting a degree. A business degree from Assumption is better than no degree. A nursing degree from Endicott is better than no degree. Get real people. 18k in academic money is financially better than zero money from Harvard. There is no one answer. Every kid and every family are different.

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              I've been in a few (free) seminars about this so the advice is probably worth what I paid. Everything I've heard is that for girls, U16 is the prime time for showcasing/recruitment. U15 they should be compiling lists of colleges they are interested in attending and beginning the process of reaching out, but you're unlikely to get much attention at U15 as most coaches are too busy looking at U16's.

                              Yes, there are outliers being looked at and recruited at U13/14, but those tend to be NT caliber prospects.They get lots of media attention, but are not the norm.
                              My daughter was on a top team in her state. One fifth of her team were verbally committed the end of u15 year. Because her team was highly ranked, there were many coaches at her showcase games at u15. At least a third of her team was on the radar screen at u15. The next fifth were verbally committed at the beginning of the u16 season.

                              In my very limited experience (only one child playing soccer) when the looks start is to some extent a function of where your daughter’s team ranks and where she ranks as a player.

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                Amen. Not every kid is a great student. So true. The most important thing is getting a degree. A business degree from Assumption is better than no degree. A nursing degree from Endicott is better than no degree. Get real people. 18k in academic money is financially better than zero money from Harvard. There is no one answer. Every kid and every family are different.
                                Except in the minds of some TS posters for them it's D1 or nothing, otherwise play received soccer and save your money

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