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    #16
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Not true. Certainly basketball and football programs were a significant part of this, but published reports indicate that this conduct included multiple other sports, including women's and men's soccer.
    So Anson Dorrance has added insult to the injury he has done to the women's game. So now we have not just non-technical players, but illiterate, non-technical players.

    Thank God for Mary Willingham and other whistleblowers.

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      #17
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      So Anson Dorrance has added insult to the injury he has done to the women's game. So now we have not just non-technical players, but illiterate, non-technical players.

      Thank God for Mary Willingham and other whistleblowers.
      Illiterate, non technical ? Sounds like most of the club coaching staffs around here!

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        #18
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Every D1 college has a similar "dummy" track for their athletes. They may not all be fabricating grades but they are all following the same playbook. They all dump the bulk of their athletes into the easiest possible courses and most of them end up with virtually worthless degrees. You either have to have a kid that is incredibly motivated to swim against that tide or you need to find the unique coaches who actually see their players as humans rather than chess pieces in their career.
        Just see what happens when you go to some of these schools and tell the coach that you want to major in engineering, pre-med, pharmacy or any other academically rigorous major.

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          #19
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Just see what happens when you go to some of these schools and tell the coach that you want to major in engineering, pre-med, pharmacy or any other academically rigorous major.
          BU stated during recruit visit that if you were looking for pre med or physical therapy that it would not work with soccer training and schedule because of all the labs. Checked that school off the list.

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            #20
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Just see what happens when you go to some of these schools and tell the coach that you want to major in engineering, pre-med, pharmacy or any other academically rigorous major.
            Very true at ANY college, not just D1

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              #21
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Very true at ANY college, not just D1
              Daughter is a nursing major, in her senior year, and plays soccer. The team has 7-8 in nursing, and 2-3 in the engineering program. It can work! It all depends on the coach/Athletic Dept, and the student athlete.

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                #22
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                BU stated during recruit visit that if you were looking for pre med or physical therapy that it would not work with soccer training and schedule because of all the labs. Checked that school off the list.
                LOL, and instead went to the school that lied. What a country.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  BU stated during recruit visit that if you were looking for pre med or physical therapy that it would not work with soccer training and schedule because of all the labs. Checked that school off the list.
                  Personally I think that's the right thing to do. In difficult majors with extra work loads it isn't fair to other students who work hard. Easy to make up a missed marketing class than Organic Chem

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    BU stated during recruit visit that if you were looking for pre med or physical therapy that it would not work with soccer training and schedule because of all the labs. Checked that school off the list.
                    Didn't hear that from BU at all, do you have your facts straight?

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Didn't hear that from BU at all, do you have your facts straight?
                      Do either of you have the least bit of an idea just how hard being a SUCCESSFUL D1 athlete AND a SUCCESSFUL pre-med actually is? Any clue at all?

                      It absolutely can be done but only with a huge amount of sacrifice and with not just ordinary smarts, it takes EXTRA ordinary intelligence and time management skills along with a complete willingness to have absolutely no social life what so ever. I've watched it done. Not for the feint of heart AT ALL.

                      First off, you don't go to a reach school at all if that is the goal, you do the opposite because the competition and demands at a reach school with a sport like soccer on top is going to deflate a GPA and you can't afford that at all if you actually want to get into med school. If you are thinking of being a pre-med at a school like BU you should probably be a slam dunk Ivy level student (capable of getting in without sports) and be willing to sacrifice that education just to play soccer. Most look at that as a tough call.

                      Say you do make that call because you want both, you need to be prepared that it is going to probably take 6 years (maybe more) to get through the under graduate work you will need to call yourself a pre-med. You need to know though that you will never be a normal "pre-med" student because if you are an athlete you are going to be a hybrid. You'll be out on an island with the 1-2 other athletes in the college that may be on a similar track. You certainly aren't going to be attending pre-med mixers or other department type functions because most of the students and professors won't even know you except as the jock in the class.

                      The good thing about being a D1 athlete is there are people whose job it is to figure out how to make all this stuff happen. Unfortunately at UNC they were doing it for the wrong reasons. There are schools out there however that will try to do it right. The trick is finding them.

                      Presuming you find a school that will be willing to "let" you try a pre-med track (not all will), most of them will start by dumping you in one of the relatively easier science majors that will get you through to a degree with a slam dunk GPA. The bottom line is if you can't generate the GPA there's no sense going any further with the discussion. The risk of failure on this track is very high and that should be factored in during the whole recruiting process (ie would you have chosen the school/soccer program otherwise).

                      You also need to factor in what the school needs to do to satisfy the NCAA. This is why a lot of schools won't "let" their athletes take certain majors. It screws up their reporting. A lot of times this all comes down to the kid selling the academic advisors that they are both motivated enough and intelligent enough to pull off being something like a pre-med. If the kid can't do that, those advisors are going to put them on a dummy track and the kid doesn't really have an option. Truthfully a lot of times the kids don't even realize that they are being steered in that direction and the advisors don't see themselves as hurting the kid because in their mind they are "helping" them get through something where they are probably in over their head. Generally everyone sees themselves doing the right thing, the question should be asked though whether they actually are.

                      Presuming though that you are capable of banging out the grades, then someone in the academic advising team will know how to layer in all of the pre-med classes. They might have you take them either over the summer or during inter-sessions and they might actually have you take them at a completely different school so the grades don't impact your official GPA and eligibility. Another option is they might have you hang around for a year or two after you graduate as a part time student/volunteer assistant coach. No matter how you slice it up though, you are going to do more classwork and it will take more time to get through it than the average student. If you are not prepared to do that, don't think about being a pre-med major.

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                        #26
                        Money talks -- and little underscores that more than big time college sports.

                        That said, isn't somewhat sad that HS sports are so hard wired not to allow kids with academic issues to play when, for the most part, HS sports do little to improve the status of education or academics at a given school. Keep them in school and active -- even if the only thing that's keeping them there is football, soccer, track, or anything else.

                        Keep selling those college jerseys and TV rights though!

                        What a mixed message we give kids.

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Sure we all know it is going on. Schools will certainly protect their real superstars like Ewing et al. Stars that bring the championships, TV broadcasts, sell jerseys and fill the stands. But the breadth of the UNC scandal is still amazing. It had to involve way more than 350 pound dumb-as-dirt linebackers.
                          You are a little behind the times - the days of just protecting the "star" are long gone. Sure they still do that with extra emphasis, but the athletic departments have gotten to the point where they have this entire process of keeping athletes eligible down to a systematic process available to everyone who needs it. It crosses all sports so long as there's an incentive to allow it - such as "winning", even if that sport is a non-revenue producer. These days people are assigned to admit the under-qualified, other people assigned to steer them to the soft courses, other people assigned to tutor (and sometimes do the work for them), other people sympathetic to the athlete's "plight" or the team's success to give out the grades, and many other people to just look the other way even when "Johnny or Jenny can't read", so long as he can run fast.

                          By the way - many parents support the whole enterprise. We like that athletes are treated special and winning is more important than integrity. We like that athletes are treated by different rules than everyone else. Heck, go to almost any college topic on this forum and you'll find parents interested in learning exactly how to get little Jenny or Johnny into a school they don't belong in academically. You'll find lots of people trying to figure out how to use soccer as the way to make up for the fact that Jenny and Johnny didn't study hard or learn well.

                          Go Carolina. You just playing by the same corrupt rules everyone else is. Sorry you got caught and now everyone is trying to throw you under the bus.

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            ...for the most part, HS sports do little to improve the status of education or academics at a given school.
                            That's more than debatable.

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              That's more than debatable.
                              In what way?

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                                #30
                                All you have to do is look at BC. 30-40 years ago they competed with the likes of Holy Cross and the Yankee Conference schools and many perceived it to be little more than a working man's college. Doug Flutie came along and now they are in the ACC and like to posture themselves as the poor man's Ivy.

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