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    #46
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Nor is there any money for a DAP girls system. It barely functions on the boys' side with not that many more boys going pro than before. It would just re-shuffle players into a new pyramid scheme with a different name. ECNL has effectively locked up the system and since it's run by clubs they won't let the money train get away any time soon.
    For now. Change is coming.

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      #47
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      For now. Change is coming.
      Sounds like new lipstick for the pig, with the pig in this case being the money hungry grubs called soccer clubs.

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        #48
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Sounds like new lipstick for the pig, with the pig in this case being the money hungry grubs called soccer clubs.
        What is with the obsession with soccer clubs charging money? Car dealerships get less flack. Are they not supposed to make a living? Why is this site 98% about the horrible, cheating, lying, greedy soccer clubs? Whose agenda is this?

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          #49
          It has nothing to do with schemes but rather better control of player development. The current system has not work well because it is driven by individuals who care little about the players and more about their own business survival. I for one will be happy to see a more uniform approach to player development and less focus on winning.

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            #50
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            It has nothing to do with schemes but rather better control of player development. The current system has not work well because it is driven by individuals who care little about the players and more about their own business survival. I for one will be happy to see a more uniform approach to player development and less focus on winning.
            That would be the only reason I'd like to see DAP for girls - something not run by the clubs, standards in place, more of a focus on development, relegation for non performing clubs. etc. I just don't see it happening.

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              #51
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Exactly! Most DAP players are not going to play professionally, or on the NT. It is an opportunity to get exposure from professional players play at a high level and have it on your resume when you apply to college and hope you get some money. DAP on the girls side will be no different than the boys side.
              The reason so few DAP players go on to play professionally is that it ends two or three years too early. Very few kids are going to be ready at 18 to jump to the professional level. I'm guessing the number would increase dramatically if DAP were extended to players through age 20 or 21. Unfortunately, most of those not ready after high school get booted into the college system where individual player development is often stifled. College coaches are focused on winning to keep their jobs, not on developing players to go on to the professional level.

              The above poster is correct in that a girls DAP would be just the same as the current boys DAP. Until the program is extended to develop players as they mature through those critical post-high school years (yes, there is a money issue with this), DAP is not going to be able to support it's mission to develop world-class players.

              "Mission: The U.S. Soccer Development Academy program provides education, resources, and support to impact everyday club environments in order to develop world-class players."

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                #52
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                That would be the only reason I'd like to see DAP for girls - something not run by the clubs, standards in place, more of a focus on development, relegation for non performing clubs. etc. I just don't see it happening.
                You totally contradict the post you are responding to with your relegation fantasy. Players can develop properly and not win. It takes a complete roster to win at any level. A weak link will always be exposed on the pitch and it's not always a simple solution to find an adequate replacement. The ECNL was supposed to be development focused, and yet all you do is post on this site pointing out deficiencies in teams, losses to the almighty NEFC and records. If anything, they should develop a closed league with unreported results so the likes of you can't play Monday morning quarterback.

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                  #53
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  That would be the only reason I'd like to see DAP for girls - something not run by the clubs, standards in place, more of a focus on development, relegation for non performing clubs. etc. I just don't see it happening.
                  Several clubs introduce girls who would not otherwise consider private school to the private schools in the area. Those programs will be gone if the girls change to DAP because most private schools have sports requirements. Not that private school is the way to go, but it is nice that clubs are thinking about the whole person and exposing the kids to different educational options.

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                    #54
                    The main issue with the DAP program is it is too large. There just are not enough players at the intended level to fill the rosters. It waters it down. DAP should be for that top % that do wish to pursue soccer beyond even college. Believe it or not right now the club soccer world really doesn't provide much programing for those players.

                    The hope of a DAP is that it really is a total immersion into soccer but as someone noted above it is compressed into a very short window. That needs to change by starting earlier and going longer.

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                      #55
                      Originally posted by beentheredonethat View Post
                      The main issue with the DAP program is it is too large. There just are not enough players at the intended level to fill the rosters. It waters it down. DAP should be for that top % that do wish to pursue soccer beyond even college. Believe it or not right now the club soccer world really doesn't provide much programing for those players.

                      The hope of a DAP is that it really is a total immersion into soccer but as someone noted above it is compressed into a very short window. That needs to change by starting earlier and going longer.
                      A sensible post on TS? The sky must be falling.

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                        #56
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        You totally contradict the post you are responding to with your relegation fantasy. Players can develop properly and not win. It takes a complete roster to win at any level. A weak link will always be exposed on the pitch and it's not always a simple solution to find an adequate replacement. The ECNL was supposed to be development focused, and yet all you do is post on this site pointing out deficiencies in teams, losses to the almighty NEFC and records. If anything, they should develop a closed league with unreported results so the likes of you can't play Monday morning quarterback.
                        You do realize you have no friggin' idea who you are responding to right? You're so completely off base I don't even know where to start

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                          #57
                          Originally posted by beentheredonethat View Post
                          The main issue with the DAP program is it is too large. There just are not enough players at the intended level to fill the rosters. It waters it down. DAP should be for that top % that do wish to pursue soccer beyond even college. Believe it or not right now the club soccer world really doesn't provide much programing for those players.

                          The hope of a DAP is that it really is a total immersion into soccer but as someone noted above it is compressed into a very short window. That needs to change by starting earlier and going longer.
                          I fully agree on the atering down with talent and too many clubs. But there's multiple issues. Really it's only the MLS clubs that are attracting the top talent that MIGHT have a shot at playing professionally some day. Yet, in order for it to be a viable league it needs to have scale. There aren't enough MLS teams in close proximity to only be playing each other. Our geography and the large expense of plane travel would make it cost prohibitive to continue to offer it for free . They are taking steps to bringing it earlier, which is needed - the earlier you get good training the better. Yet it funnels that small group of players into a system who haven't even hit puberty yet. Then there's the other end where it development ends too early because most players will want to grab that slice of the college pie while it's being offered to them.

                          Anyway, in the meantime, it makes little sense to pursue it on the women's side when they haven't even figured it all out for the men.

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                            #58
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            A sensible post on TS? The sky must be falling.
                            Thanks for answering your own post (again).

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                              #59
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Thanks for answering your own post (again).
                              Too bad I didn't, but way to advance the discussion.

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                                #60
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                You do realize you have no friggin' idea who you are responding to right? You're so completely off base I don't even know where to start
                                No, why don't you enlighten us all.

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