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    #16
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    This is interesting:

    "Condensing our ECNL teams from 6 to 3 DA teams, and then not having a quality league to provide for the remaining players, would hurt our club."

    Does this mean US Club Soccer intends to disqualify a club from participating in ECNL/NPL if it does DAP? I hadn't heard that, but what else would they mean by "not having a quality league to provide for the remaining players"?
    I've heard both sides- ECNL pressuring clubs to drop DA as well as DA pressuring to drop ECNL. In reality not many clubs will be able to effectively do both. You have to have a very large player pool and not much competition for that talent. Match-Fit realized they wouldn't be able to compete with PDA. A massive club in Los Angeles has no problem. MF had to pick one or the other and chose what they think is their best option. Financially DA isn't great for the bottom line either which may have played a role; along with all the uncertainty with GDA in general. After boys DA has done wonders for the men's side right?!

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      #17
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      This is interesting:

      "Condensing our ECNL teams from 6 to 3 DA teams, and then not having a quality league to provide for the remaining players, would hurt our club."

      Does this mean US Club Soccer intends to disqualify a club from participating in ECNL/NPL if it does DAP? I hadn't heard that, but what else would they mean by "not having a quality league to provide for the remaining players"?
      I don't necessarily get it either. ECNL and NPL should still be accessible to MF. It's true that those leagues will be depleted of talent relative to their condition as of today, but USS has no ability that I'm aware of to command GDAP clubs to abstain from participating in the best US Club leagues. The only leverage they would theoretically have is retracting the DA credential from those clubs, but that would only create enemies where what USS really needs at this point is allies.

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        #18
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        I don't necessarily get it either. ECNL and NPL should still be accessible to MF. It's true that those leagues will be depleted of talent relative to their condition as of today, but USS has no ability that I'm aware of to command GDAP clubs to abstain from participating in the best US Club leagues. The only leverage they would theoretically have is retracting the DA credential from those clubs, but that would only create enemies where what USS really needs at this point is allies.
        Match fit would dilute their talent by splitting the best girls into DAP and ECNL. Their records in both leagues would be mediocre to poor. Not a spot a club wants to be in

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          #19
          Too many of you think GDAP is going to offered as just an option to the players. Guess what, with this level player now committing in their freshman year, the top level college coaches are the ones that are going to push the option button. They are going to like the total immersion aspect and like the idea that their future player is not exposing themselves to injury in a HS game and instead is working 10 months a year in a quality controlled environment.

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            #20
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Too many of you think GDAP is going to offered as just an option to the players. Guess what, with this level player now committing in their freshman year, the top level college coaches are the ones that are going to push the option button. They are going to like the total immersion aspect and like the idea that their future player is not exposing themselves to injury in a HS game and instead is working 10 months a year in a quality controlled environment.
            Yep, this might take two or three years to shake out but it will happen. USSF holds the trump cards. They know it, college coaches know it, players know it and the best clubs know it. A few ECNL parents that think otherwise don't matter.

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              #21
              DA is a great marketing tool for clubs to have in order to attract those players needed to fill out the expansive regional layers. Clubs in MA shouldn't really care about being successful in DA or ECNL. There are limited quality options and enough bodies to fill rosters even if your club has a miserable record. No reason for any club in MA to play chicken; just straddle and collect. Matchfit has a great business and can let those DA candidates go. Losing that "Top 1%" player in the long run will be a blip on the cashflow.

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                #22
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                but what else would they mean by "not having a quality league to provide for the remaining players"?
                C'mon man, do your homework.

                The Academy has 3, combined age groups: 14/15, 16/17, 18/19.

                The remaining players he's speaking of are the 14's, 16's and 18's not quite good enough to have made the Academy team.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  DA is a great marketing tool for clubs to have in order to attract those players needed to fill out the expansive regional layers. Clubs in MA shouldn't really care about being successful in DA or ECNL. There are limited quality options and enough bodies to fill rosters even if your club has a miserable record. No reason for any club in MA to play chicken; just straddle and collect. Matchfit has a great business and can let those DA candidates go. Losing that "Top 1%" player in the long run will be a blip on the cashflow.
                  At the end of the day all that really matters is the cash flow!

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Too many of you think GDAP is going to offered as just an option to the players. Guess what, with this level player now committing in their freshman year, the top level college coaches are the ones that are going to push the option button. They are going to like the total immersion aspect and like the idea that their future player is not exposing themselves to injury in a HS game and instead is working 10 months a year in a quality controlled environment.
                    Good point. There is nothing much to prevent D1 college coaches from basically prescribing GDAP for their scholarship recruits. If the majority of coaches end up going that route, the top level players will flow to GDAP, or else they may find that those coaches' doors are closed to them.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Good point. There is nothing much to prevent D1 college coaches from basically prescribing GDAP for their scholarship recruits. If the majority of coaches end up going that route, the top level players will flow to GDAP, or else they may find that those coaches' doors are closed to them.
                      Too many what ifs...if the talent doesn't move to GDA the coaches won't shop there. the talent won't move to GDA unless the coaches are there. Coaches won't force players to move to GDA if they don't think the program is incrementally better than ECNL, which will take time to prove. GDA won't just become the top league overnight. Expect lots of turmoil and uncertainty in the next few years. USSF should have started with the youngest teams and built up from there. Get kids into the system at U12 then they're less likely to want to leave come HS time. Older players already in the recruiting pipeline are much less likely to jump ship in the next 2-3 years while this plays out.

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                        #26
                        Problem will be when colleges will want players playing in DA especially their verbal commits.
                        MatchFit making a huge miscalculation here.

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Good point. There is nothing much to prevent D1 college coaches from basically prescribing GDAP for their scholarship recruits. If the majority of coaches end up going that route, the top level players will flow to GDAP, or else they may find that those coaches' doors are closed to them.
                          I recruit college soccer players. Dual sport athletes, especially those that play a complementary sport like basketball or lacrosse, typically are better soccer players. Often these kids are less likely to have overuse injuries, aren't burned out on soccer, and are tough, team first competitors.

                          So I wouldn't assume all college coaches will favor GDAP.

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            I recruit college soccer players. Dual sport athletes, especially those that play a complementary sport like basketball or lacrosse, typically are better soccer players. Often these kids are less likely to have overuse injuries, aren't burned out on soccer, and are tough, team first competitors.

                            So I wouldn't assume all college coaches will favor GDAP.
                            LOL. You sure aint recruiting top national level players if you are looking for dual sport athletes (and spending your time posting on TS)

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Problem will be when colleges will want players playing in DA especially their verbal commits.
                              MatchFit making a huge miscalculation here.
                              As has been stated many times, there are far more college roster spots out there than GDA or ECNL can fill on their own. Even if GDA becomes the top recruiting league for top college programs, there will still be plenty of opportunities for players out there even if they aren't top 50 programs. MFA doing what they think works best for their club and their own client base. It's quite calulated

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                                Too many what ifs...if the talent doesn't move to GDA the coaches won't shop there. the talent won't move to GDA unless the coaches are there. Coaches won't force players to move to GDA if they don't think the program is incrementally better than ECNL, which will take time to prove. GDA won't just become the top league overnight. Expect lots of turmoil and uncertainty in the next few years. USSF should have started with the youngest teams and built up from there. Get kids into the system at U12 then they're less likely to want to leave come HS time. Older players already in the recruiting pipeline are much less likely to jump ship in the next 2-3 years while this plays out.
                                Don't be foolish enough to think that what the ECNL is offering is really anything special. We aren't talking about bottom tier D1 program bound players here, the only what ifs might be the marginal national level player that aren't really the focus of the program anyways. The real true top level recruits are a whole different animal. They are being told in many different ways as soon as they commit that they need to step up their intensity if they want to have an impact with that team down the road. All delivered with a smile, but there is no bs in the message. These young players are going to be competing with mature women who have been working countless hours in the weight room and on the soccer field under direct supervision for playing time so the sooner they make that jump up to match their intensity the better their chances of doing that are.

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