D1 South tournament

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Anyone have the D1 South girls standings?

North and South girls D1 would be good to see?

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Agree that 3 is enough, especially since it's good enough for 1/2 the state.

Returning to 3 state-wide should not mean returning to the much bigger brackets you remember. They were that way because a committee agreed that there could be far fewer teams in each division in some sections of the state than others. That resulted in the sections with fewer teams generally having one less round. An improvement would be to draw the section lines/assign schools to sections so that there's an equal number of teams in each section. [The divisions and sections could also be done so that your enrollment puts you in the same division regardless of where in the state the school is located.]

For example, we can still look at the 2012 and 2012 brackets online, which used the state-wide 3-division setup.
In 2012, 64 teams qualified in D1 statewide, which could have been a perfect 4 brackets of 16 teams each. But because of the way sections were defined, some had as few as 8, others as many as 25.
In 2011, it was 66 teams qualified in D1, meaning only 2 prelim round games might have been needed if the sections were balanced. Instead, bracket sizes ranged from 11-22 teams.

Here's the question, because I don't disagree with where you're coming from, but how do you actually pull it off?

If I recall correctly, looking at current enrollment numbers being used by MIAA for the 2017 division realignment, there are only 1 or 2 current D1 schools in CMass soccer (Wachusett and Shrewsbury) that would are in the same range of D1 schools in EMass.

Does this become where D1 is only in North and South and CMass and WMass is D2, D3 and D4? Or do you move a significant number of D1 schools inside 495 into CMass?

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Here's the question, because I don't disagree with where you're coming from, but how do you actually pull it off?

If I recall correctly, looking at current enrollment numbers being used by MIAA for the 2017 division realignment, there are only 1 or 2 current D1 schools in CMass soccer (Wachusett and Shrewsbury) that would are in the same range of D1 schools in EMass.

Does this become where D1 is only in North and South and CMass and WMass is D2, D3 and D4? Or do you move a significant number of D1 schools inside 495 into CMass?

You move schools, not worrying much about arbitrary lines like 495. Other MIAA sports have different definitions for North, etc., so soccer can evolve on this. And soccer has evolved before, no need to be bound to the current system as if "it's always been this way." It hasn't.

A proposal for how to do this is go top-down: there are about 340 teams in that 2017 realignment list mentioned. If you stick with 4 size divisions, you take the 85 largest non-vo/tec schools in the state and they form D1. You don't worry at this point where they are located within the state.

Of these 85 or so, take the 21 or 22 most westerly, and they form the West section. This would be the schools roughly from Westfield to Westford.
Of those remaining, take the 21 or 22 most northerly, and they form the North section. This would be the schools roughly from Lawrence to Lexington.
Of the 42 or 43 now remaining, take the 21 or 22 most southerly, and they form the South section. That would capture something like New Bedford to North Quincy.
The 21 or 22 left might be called Metro or some other label (doesn't really matter), but to give an idea, it would be schools that might stretch from East Boston to Framingham.

This may not address every concern that people raise, but it would significantly improve most of the major issues, it's practical, implementable, and intuitive for people to grasp, which would be good for the game.

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D1 south thru games of 10/5:
1 King Philip 10-0-1
2 Mansfield 7-1-1
3 Silver Lake 8-2-0
4 Durfee 6-2-1
5 Boston College 5-2-1
6 Needham 5-0-6
7 Braintree 7-2-3
8 New Bedford 6-3-2
Newton South 5-2-4
10 Attleboro 5-3-2
Franklin 5-3-2
Weymouth 5-3-2
13 Quincy 3-3-3
Marshfield 4-4-2
Brockton 3-4-3
Milford 3-4-1
Xaverian 4-6-0
Wellesley 2-4-2
Bridgewater-Raynham 2-5-0 (NB & Brockton losses excluded)
Natick 2-6-2
Plymouth South 2-6-1
North Attleborough 1-6-3
Barnstable 1-6-0 (need results of 10/1 v Sandwich + 10/4 v Falmouth)
OUT as of update thru 10/5 Taunton 0-10-1
North Quincy 0-8-0

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North and South girls D1 would be good to see?

Agreed. You have to look them up. MIAA should provide - if they do it for any sport (football?), it should be done for all as a matter of equal treatment - but they don't.

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D1 south thru games of 10/5:
1 King Philip 10-0-1
2 Mansfield 7-1-1
3 Silver Lake 8-2-0
4 Durfee 6-2-1
5 Boston College 5-2-1
6 Needham 5-0-6
7 Braintree 7-2-3
8 New Bedford 6-3-2
Newton South 5-2-4
10 Attleboro 5-3-2
Franklin 5-3-2
Weymouth 5-3-2
13 Quincy 3-3-3
Marshfield 4-4-2
Brockton 3-4-3
Milford 3-4-1
Xaverian 4-6-0
Wellesley 2-4-2
Bridgewater-Raynham 2-5-0 (NB & Brockton losses excluded)
Natick 2-6-2
Plymouth South 2-6-1
North Attleborough 1-6-3
Barnstable 1-6-0 (need results of 10/1 v Sandwich + 10/4 v Falmouth)
OUT as of update thru 10/5 Taunton 0-10-1
North Quincy 0-8-0

potential for a 16 team field which would be idea for seeding purposes. It'll be interesting to see who climbs and or falls over the last 3 weeks of the season

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potential for a 16 team field which would be idea for seeding purposes. It'll be interesting to see who climbs and or falls over the last 3 weeks of the season

Interesting to see 4 Hock teams in the race -- IS KP the real deal???

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I'd hate to see the seeding screw Needham/Braintree over and force them to play each other before the sectional semis. I think Weymouth is dangerous to 90% of that field with a seeding that low.

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Interesting to see 4 Hock teams in the race -- IS KP the real deal???

if there was betting, bet no if "real deal" means win D1 south, which what they would be seeded to do if the season was over right now. The reasoning is, 2 goals per game is not that prolific a scoring rate for a team to be a good bet to knock off multiple teams from stronger leagues.

in KP's favor, they also don't give up any goals, so their goal difference of 2 goals per game ranks pretty favorably. Also, this year, we don't know whether KP's league rates lower than other leagues, even if its acknowledged that on average in recent years, other leagues rate stronger.

And if you take the meaning of "real deal" to be something less, like reach the South semis, KP has a good chance of that: if less than 16 teams qualify, and KP holds as 1 seed, they would only have to win one game to reach the semis. That could be a bet worth taking KP on.

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I'd hate to see the seeding screw Needham/Braintree over and force them to play each other before the sectional semis. I think Weymouth is dangerous to 90% of that field with a seeding that low.

Yeah, it's really too bad that the South section "seeds" simply by W-L-T record, making no attempt to consider strength of schedule. Soccer's West section, lacrosse in general, the current football system, and the hockey and baseball tournaments all consider strength of schedule in seeding teams for tourney.

With any two good teams from the same league, it would be unfortunate if they met early in the tourney. Same might be said this year for Mansfield and King Philip, or Durfee and New Bedford.

As for Weymouth, agree in general that the way they seed sets up the situation you describe, of maybe a 4th-place team from a good league coming in as a double-digit seed and winning a game or two vs better-seeded opponents. On the other hand, Weymouth has been seeded in the teens for a few years in a row, and have not managed to make a run from that position yet. Maybe this will be the year.

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Yeah, it's really too bad that the South section "seeds" simply by W-L-T record, making no attempt to consider strength of schedule. Soccer's West section, lacrosse in general, the current football system, and the hockey and baseball tournaments all consider strength of schedule in seeding teams for tourney.

With any two good teams from the same league, it would be unfortunate if they met early in the tourney. Same might be said this year for Mansfield and King Philip, or Durfee and New Bedford.

As for Weymouth, agree in general that the way they seed sets up the situation you describe, of maybe a 4th-place team from a good league coming in as a double-digit seed and winning a game or two vs better-seeded opponents. On the other hand, Weymouth has been seeded in the teens for a few years in a row, and have not managed to make a run from that position yet. Maybe this will be the year.

I personally would not want to Face any of the 3 Bay state league teams Braintree, Needham, Weymouth. All are skilled, have size, battle tested, and all have tournament experience under the belt. If i'm a team like KP, Durfee, silver lake looking for a high seed i'm hoping to avoid those 3 teams at all costs in the early rounds.

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I personally would not want to Face any of the 3 Bay state league teams Braintree, Needham, Weymouth. All are skilled, have size, battle tested, and all have tournament experience under the belt. If i'm a team like KP, Durfee, silver lake looking for a high seed i'm hoping to avoid those 3 teams at all costs in the early rounds.

At least in Needham's case, they do not have much size, and maybe not much tourney experience either. Maybe 2-3 guys played a lot in last year's tourney, and the coach has been in 1. Still, Needham has probably, again, played toughest schedule in the state thus far, and with a target on their backs as defending league champions, so they are battle-tested.

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Updated As of 10/10

D1 South Seedings
# Team Wins Loss Ties Points Percentage%
1 King Phillip 11 0 1 23/24 0.958

2 Mansfield 9 1 1 19/22 0.863

3 Silver Lake 9 2 0 18/22 0.818

4 Needham 7 0 6 20/26 0.769

5 Durfee 7 2 1 15/20 0.75

6 Braintree 8 2 3 19/26 0.73

7 Newton S. 5 1 4 14/20 0.7

8 New Bedford 5 2 1 11/16 0.687

9 Weymouth 6 3 2 14/22 0.636

10 BC High 5 3 1 11/18 0.611

11 Attleboro 5 3 3 13/22 0.59

12 Quincy 4 3 3 10/18 0.55

13 Franklin 5 5 2 12/24 0.5

14 Xaverian 6 6 0 12/24 0.5

15 Brockton 3 4 3 9/20 0.45

16 Marshfield 3 4 2 8/18 0.444

17 Milford 3 4 2 8/18 0.444

18 Wellesley 2 4 3 7/18 0.388

19 Natick 2 7 2 6/22 0.272

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D1 South Seedings
# Team Wins Loss Ties Points Percentage%
1 King Phillip 11 0 1 23/24 0.958
2 Mansfield 9 1 1 19/22 0.863
3 Silver Lake 9 2 0 18/22 0.818
4 Needham 7 0 6 20/26 0.769
5 Durfee 7 2 1 15/20 0.75
6 Braintree 8 2 3 19/26 0.73
7 Newton S. 5 1 4 14/20 0.7
8 New Bedford 5 2 1 11/16 0.687
9 Weymouth 6 3 2 14/22 0.636
10 BC High 5 3 1 11/18 0.611
11 Attleboro 5 3 3 13/22 0.59
12 Quincy 4 3 3 10/18 0.55
13 Franklin 5 5 2 12/24 0.5
14 Xaverian 6 6 0 12/24 0.5
15 Brockton 3 4 3 9/20 0.45
16 Marshfield 3 4 2 8/18 0.444
17 Milford 3 4 2 8/18 0.444
18 Wellesley 2 4 3 7/18 0.388
19 Natick 2 7 2 6/22 0.272

From the perspective of teams from the same league not ending up facing each other in early rounds, it would be nice if things ended up as above.
One quarter of the bracket would be KP, NB, Weymouth and maybe Wellesley (assuming Brockton and Wellesley qualify, but not Marshfield, Milford or Natick)
In the same half would be Needham, Durfee, Quincy and Franklin/Xaverian.
On the other side, one quarter would be Mansfield, Newton South, BC and Brockton; the other would be Silver Lake, Braintree, Attleboro and Franklin/Xaverian.

Of course it's way too early for such things, but fun anyway.

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D1 South Seedings
# Team Wins Loss Ties Points Percentage%
1 King Phillip 11 0 1 23/24 0.958

2 Mansfield 9 1 1 19/22 0.863

3 Silver Lake 9 2 0 18/22 0.818

4 Needham 7 0 6 20/26 0.769

5 Durfee 7 2 1 15/20 0.75

6 Braintree 8 2 3 19/26 0.73

7 Newton S. 5 1 4 14/20 0.7

8 New Bedford 5 2 1 11/16 0.687

9 Weymouth 6 3 2 14/22 0.636

10 BC High 5 3 1 11/18 0.611

11 Attleboro 5 3 3 13/22 0.59

12 Quincy 4 3 3 10/18 0.55

13 Franklin 5 5 2 12/24 0.5

14 Xaverian 6 6 0 12/24 0.5

15 Brockton 3 4 3 9/20 0.45

16 Marshfield 3 4 2 8/18 0.444

17 Milford 3 4 2 8/18 0.444

18 Wellesley 2 4 3 7/18 0.388

19 Natick 2 7 2 6/22 0.272

Think Newton South's record is 5-2-4.
New Bedford's was listed as 6-3-2 last week (as of 10/5).
Marshfield's was 4-4-2 last week.