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    Like US youth soccer, Canadian hockey is seeing significant declines in participation largely because it's become cost prohibitive for many families. Obviously equipment and ice time are a huge factor, but so are families feeling their kid has to be in the top league

    "But among the leagues that feed the professional ranks, cost signals elite status. Parents hoping to propel their boys’ professional careers are investing more money on training, seeking an edge in the competition for college roster spots and draft positioning. Hockey camps, power-skating classes and preparatory schools with elite hockey programs — like Hill Academy and the Canadian International Hockey Academy, both in Ontario — have risen in popularity. Current N.H.L. stars like Sidney Crosby, Connor McDavid, and Mitchell Marner, among others, attended such academies, where tuition can cost as much as $40,000...

    “When you see that your child is playing with a peer group and you don’t hear about all the other things they are doing on the side it’s easy to feel, ‘If I don’t do the same, my child is not going to continue in the next level,’” Compton said."

    However Canadian hockey is trying to do more to keep kids in the sport

    "In response to concerns about cost, some hockey associations have waived registration fees for new players. Hockey Canada and its equipment partner, Bauer, have also added introductory programs where children get equipment at reduced prices or for free. The N.H.L., through its newly expanded Learn To Play program, provides opportunities for kids in cities around the league to experience the sport. Though there is a participation fee of about $170, equipment is provided.

    “We make sure that there’s equipment exchange programs available, we’ve gotten N.H.L. clubs involved,” said Rob Knesaurek, a league vice president in charge of developing youth hockey. The league, he said, also subsidizes renting ice time."
    In Canada, the Cost of Youth Hockey Benches the Next Generation https://nyti.ms/38RogwC

    Yes MLS has free to play for the top players, but most have to be geographically workable and it only helps a small portion of players. There's a few token scholarships at some clubs, but that doesn't include travel. Things need to change to get more players on the field, learning the game, developing a passion for the sport. Meanwhile all the leagues are battling it out over market share and parents keep writing big checks, worried their kid will miss out

    #2
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Like US youth soccer, Canadian hockey is seeing significant declines in participation largely because it's become cost prohibitive for many families. Obviously equipment and ice time are a huge factor, but so are families feeling their kid has to be in the top league

    "But among the leagues that feed the professional ranks, cost signals elite status. Parents hoping to propel their boys’ professional careers are investing more money on training, seeking an edge in the competition for college roster spots and draft positioning. Hockey camps, power-skating classes and preparatory schools with elite hockey programs — like Hill Academy and the Canadian International Hockey Academy, both in Ontario — have risen in popularity. Current N.H.L. stars like Sidney Crosby, Connor McDavid, and Mitchell Marner, among others, attended such academies, where tuition can cost as much as $40,000...

    “When you see that your child is playing with a peer group and you don’t hear about all the other things they are doing on the side it’s easy to feel, ‘If I don’t do the same, my child is not going to continue in the next level,’” Compton said."

    However Canadian hockey is trying to do more to keep kids in the sport

    "In response to concerns about cost, some hockey associations have waived registration fees for new players. Hockey Canada and its equipment partner, Bauer, have also added introductory programs where children get equipment at reduced prices or for free. The N.H.L., through its newly expanded Learn To Play program, provides opportunities for kids in cities around the league to experience the sport. Though there is a participation fee of about $170, equipment is provided.

    “We make sure that there’s equipment exchange programs available, we’ve gotten N.H.L. clubs involved,” said Rob Knesaurek, a league vice president in charge of developing youth hockey. The league, he said, also subsidizes renting ice time."
    In Canada, the Cost of Youth Hockey Benches the Next Generation https://nyti.ms/38RogwC

    Yes MLS has free to play for the top players, but most have to be geographically workable and it only helps a small portion of players. There's a few token scholarships at some clubs, but that doesn't include travel. Things need to change to get more players on the field, learning the game, developing a passion for the sport. Meanwhile all the leagues are battling it out over market share and parents keep writing big checks, worried their kid will miss out
    Ok so what? It’s pay to play there except in “some” cases. It’s pay to play here except in “some” cases. Who do you think should foot the bill? Are kids left out? Yes. It’s a sad fact but unless you have organizations that want AND can foot the bill that’s the way it goes.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Like US youth soccer, Canadian hockey is seeing significant declines in participation largely because it's become cost prohibitive for many families. Obviously equipment and ice time are a huge factor, but so are families feeling their kid has to be in the top league

      "But among the leagues that feed the professional ranks, cost signals elite status. Parents hoping to propel their boys’ professional careers are investing more money on training, seeking an edge in the competition for college roster spots and draft positioning. Hockey camps, power-skating classes and preparatory schools with elite hockey programs — like Hill Academy and the Canadian International Hockey Academy, both in Ontario — have risen in popularity. Current N.H.L. stars like Sidney Crosby, Connor McDavid, and Mitchell Marner, among others, attended such academies, where tuition can cost as much as $40,000...

      “When you see that your child is playing with a peer group and you don’t hear about all the other things they are doing on the side it’s easy to feel, ‘If I don’t do the same, my child is not going to continue in the next level,’” Compton said."

      However Canadian hockey is trying to do more to keep kids in the sport

      "In response to concerns about cost, some hockey associations have waived registration fees for new players. Hockey Canada and its equipment partner, Bauer, have also added introductory programs where children get equipment at reduced prices or for free. The N.H.L., through its newly expanded Learn To Play program, provides opportunities for kids in cities around the league to experience the sport. Though there is a participation fee of about $170, equipment is provided.

      “We make sure that there’s equipment exchange programs available, we’ve gotten N.H.L. clubs involved,” said Rob Knesaurek, a league vice president in charge of developing youth hockey. The league, he said, also subsidizes renting ice time."
      In Canada, the Cost of Youth Hockey Benches the Next Generation https://nyti.ms/38RogwC

      Yes MLS has free to play for the top players, but most have to be geographically workable and it only helps a small portion of players. There's a few token scholarships at some clubs, but that doesn't include travel. Things need to change to get more players on the field, learning the game, developing a passion for the sport. Meanwhile all the leagues are battling it out over market share and parents keep writing big checks, worried their kid will miss out
      99.9% of soccer players have zero interest in the game outside of playing.
      I wonder what level of interest there is for hockey?
      Certainly pro hockey has a much larger fan base
      Waste of time and money until that dichotomy is changed

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        #4
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        Who do you think should foot the bill?

        Three answers here:

        1) Reduce the cost of the "bill" by supporting and encouraging the growth of volunteer driven community clubs instead of for-profit money making machines

        2) Allow youth clubs to receive the compensation payments that other countries give when a player they have developed is transferred

        3) US Soccer

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          #5
          A unified system under one pyramid structure with clear promotion/relegations. Only the very top of the pyramid requires more travel.

          :) :) :) :)

          Who am I kidding? that would require all these different money grubbing groups to work together to better the sport. But in the meantime, more families can and should really think about what they're spending and where it may realistically go. Just because you can spend the money doesn't mean you should.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Three answers here:

            1) Reduce the cost of the "bill" by supporting and encouraging the growth of volunteer driven community clubs instead of for-profit money making machines

            2) Allow youth clubs to receive the compensation payments that other countries give when a player they have developed is transferred

            3) US Soccer
            For years, all we heard was how the volunteer system ruined youth soccer, so paid coaches and clubs became the all the rage.
            Sorry, mate, but the volunteer ship has sailed

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              #7
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Three answers here:

              1) Reduce the cost of the "bill" by supporting and encouraging the growth of volunteer driven community clubs instead of for-profit money making machines

              2) Allow youth clubs to receive the compensation payments that other countries give when a player they have developed is transferred

              3) US Soccer
              What talent?
              We can’t field 11 quality players.
              Lol

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                #8
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                For years, all we heard was how the volunteer system ruined youth soccer, so paid coaches and clubs became the all the rage.
                Sorry, mate, but the volunteer ship has sailed
                It needs to sail back or just accept that soccer is game for rich kids and watch participation continue to drop.

                And allí the money spent on travel is wasted. In places where they youth sport is subsidized by the top pro players dollars, which is most soccer countries, they are not wasting so much money on useless travel for kids.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  For years, all we heard was how the volunteer system ruined youth soccer, so paid coaches and clubs became the all the rage.
                  Sorry, mate, but the volunteer ship has sailed
                  Gee....organizations trying to get lots of money out of youth soccer families bad mouthed low cost option. Imagine that.

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                    #10
                    Bernie will fix it and we’ll all still pay for it. Problem solved.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Gee....organizations trying to get lots of money out of youth soccer families bad mouthed low cost option. Imagine that.
                      Parents fault, not clubs.
                      Ignorance, baby.
                      Find those scholarships...

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        For years, all we heard was how the volunteer system ruined youth soccer, so paid coaches and clubs became the all the rage.
                        Sorry, mate, but the volunteer ship has sailed
                        Yes unfortunately now there's too many people making a lot of money and they're not about to give up the money or control. I work with multiple volunteer organizations and it's getting harder to find people willing to help these days. More are self involved or would rather watch Netflix at night then attend a few meetings.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Yes unfortunately now there's too many people making a lot of money and they're not about to give up the money or control. I work with multiple volunteer organizations and it's getting harder to find people willing to help these days. More are self involved or would rather watch Netflix at night then attend a few meetings.
                          Pendulum will swing back. Spending your free time on a couch in front of a screen is dullsville.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Pendulum will swing back. Spending your free time on a couch in front of a screen is dullsville.
                            Especially when you could posting on t/s...

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Parents fault, not clubs.
                              Ignorance, baby.
                              Find those scholarships...
                              Unfortunately, this post is correct. Parents are the payers, and clubs offer products in response to their demands. Parents pay for perceived advantage, and velvet rope leagues are exactly what the market craves.

                              Until you identify a new payer, please stop wishing for better times. Transfer fees are at least a start, but in the US that would be woefully underfunded compared to the money parents will spend to fulfill college dreams.

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