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    Seattle United ECNL

    SU cut many longtime players at tryouts this week who've been with the club for years, & took on players from Surf. Parents are saying some of the new players aren't at that level but that this is a politcal move for SU to be the ECNL pipeline for Surf. Every club pulls this crap but still. Clubs want loyalty but don't give it. This game isn't about the kids at all.

    #2
    How does it benefit them to be the ecnl outlet for surf if the players are not strong? But agree that su has gone severely downhill on the girls side and their incompetent leadership is doing their best to run the club into the ground, and succeeding lol

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      #3
      In a play-to-play system clubs have no loyalty to players, and no incentive to invest in (or prioritize) long-term player development. Rather, their goal is to win as many "titles" as possible in the short-term, so that they can attract more players for their mid/lower-tier RCL teams and sell parents on the allure of "premier" youth soccer.

      This is not an indictment of or comment on individual coaches, many of whom DO care about the individual players they work with.

      We are consumers in this system. Act accordingly.

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        #4
        Now that I have had two kids play Premier Soccer and one just about to start, I can tell you that clubs have different philosophies on this. Not sure where SU falls but I can tell you over the years WPFC over the years would be more likely to keep a player that was in their system than a new player from another club, whereas Crossfire would more likely take the new player and the player in their system more like would just play for the next team down.

        This is assuming both players were equal.

        Another observation over the years is a Coach more than likely will keep their core players 6-10 and the rest of the roster with kids with the least amount of baggage. I have seen a handful of kids with potential but their parents were just nuts. Unless you are a superstar, no reason to have to deal with the extra stuff for the coach and the rest of the team.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Now that I have had two kids play Premier Soccer and one just about to start, I can tell you that clubs have different philosophies on this. Not sure where SU falls but I can tell you over the years WPFC over the years would be more likely to keep a player that was in their system than a new player from another club, whereas Crossfire would more likely take the new player and the player in their system more like would just play for the next team down.

          This is assuming both players were equal.

          Another observation over the years is a Coach more than likely will keep their core players 6-10 and the rest of the roster with kids with the least amount of baggage. I have seen a handful of kids with potential but their parents were just nuts. Unless you are a superstar, no reason to have to deal with the extra stuff for the coach and the rest of the team.
          SU cut several players perceived as more skilled than the players they added.

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            #6
            Our experience at WPFC was the exact opposite.

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              #7
              At SU, our experience has been the opposite on the older boys side. They essentially kept their teams from last year and didn't want to look at new players. Tryouts were a mess because of the snow delay, but at least pretend to look at the new players, some of which were better than their B/C team players.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                SU cut several players perceived as more skilled than the players they added.
                Perceived aka Assumed according to....parents watching from the sidelines
                or 3-4 coaches evaluating them on the field?

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Perceived aka Assumed according to....parents watching from the sidelines
                  or 3-4 coaches evaluating them on the field?
                  Perceived by parents on the sidelines whose kids did in fact make the team, so not a sour grapes issue

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Perceived by parents on the sidelines whose kids did in fact make the team, so not a sour grapes issue
                    This has been Seattle United's mantra for years though. They do not place high value on only technical ability or skills. They value athleticism, and speed with basic skills. However, if your athletic with high level skills that's a different story. Basically look at Pac 12 players. Thats what Seattle United strives to develop.

                    What age groups? Because skilled players will always need to work harder to show they can compete with the larger players, at least until you get to high school ages. You have to use the skills to get results, otherwise they won't care.

                    And this happens at all levels. Iv'e heard the same complaints with ECNL and DA parents. My kids small...they are getting shafted. Even from a parent who's kid got a full ride to USC!

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      This has been Seattle United's mantra for years though. They do not place high value on only technical ability or skills. They value athleticism, and speed with basic skills. However, if your athletic with high level skills that's a different story. Basically look at Pac 12 players. Thats what Seattle United strives to develop.

                      What age groups? Because skilled players will always need to work harder to show they can compete with the larger players, at least until you get to high school ages. You have to use the skills to get results, otherwise they won't care.

                      And this happens at all levels. Iv'e heard the same complaints with ECNL and DA parents. My kids small...they are getting shafted. Even from a parent who's kid got a full ride to USC!
                      Many cuts at 03 level. Strong athletes with long SU history & many years at ECNL level were cleared out for Surf players. I'm hearing that every new player who showed up got a spot. Girls cut had been told to work harder but not advised to consider other clubs. Really crappy way to treat teenage girls.

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                        #12
                        i agree....probably should have worked harder. Do you advocate a 22 player roster instead?

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          I'm hearing that every new player who showed up got a spot. Girls cut had been told to work harder but not advised to consider other clubs. Really crappy way to treat teenage girls.
                          I mean clearly those players didn't show up randomly. they were "invited" to "try out". the spots were given away way before tryouts and the right thing to do would have to let the girls already on the team know, either directly or much more strongly hinting at it

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            I mean clearly those players didn't show up randomly. they were "invited" to "try out". the spots were given away way before tryouts and the right thing to do would have to let the girls already on the team know, either directly or much more strongly hinting at it
                            exactly. SU could have told these players to consider trying out elsewhere. They didn't. They managed the situation to benefit the club. Kids are expendable

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              They managed the situation to benefit the club. Kids are expendable
                              This is the issue. While individual coaches may have your kid's interests at heart, most clubs do not.

                              Parents/players are consumers. Act accordingly.

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