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    So much for U17 4-1 loss!

    Our system needs restructuring asap! Coaches and Parents bought into the DA system please don't respond!

    #2
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Our system needs restructuring asap! Coaches and Parents bought into the DA system please don't respond!
    DA is a failed system. Pay to play equals nothing. I'm ashamed with the american business model for youth soccer.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Our system needs restructuring asap! Coaches and Parents bought into the DA system please don't respond!
      The u17 English team is one of best in the world. Top quality players up and down roster.

      No shame in losing to them. In fact, we should emulate some of the things they are doing.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        The u17 English team is one of best in the world. Top quality players up and down roster.

        No shame in losing to them. In fact, we should emulate some of the things they are doing.
        There is plenty of shame in the DA system. Good for England. U17NT, Senior Team and olympic failures are more than enough to justify changes in us soccer and particular the DA. MLS isn't helping either.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          There is plenty of shame in the DA system. Good for England. U17NT, Senior Team and olympic failures are more than enough to justify changes in us soccer and particular the DA. MLS isn't helping either.
          Sure....I agree. Always super easy to throw bombs from the cheap seats....

          What's the solution smart guy. What changes need to be implemented ASAP? Or is this one of those things where you just say "this sucks" and have no idea how to make it better?

          Seriously, what the first step?

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            #6
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            The u17 English team is one of best in the world. Top quality players up and down roster.

            No shame in losing to them. In fact, we should emulate some of the things they are doing.
            That English team is considered one of the best collections of talent at that age ever. Possession and shots were about equal, of course their shots were successful. I'm not ashamed of where the US soccer future is headed, even though I'm not a fan of the DA system. Something is going in the right direction.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              That English team is considered one of the best collections of talent at that age ever. Possession and shots were about equal, of course their shots were successful. I'm not ashamed of where the US soccer future is headed, even though I'm not a fan of the DA system. Something is going in the right direction.
              Facts.

              However, you are messing up the narrative and all the hating.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                That English team is considered one of the best collections of talent at that age ever. Possession and shots were about equal, of course their shots were successful. I'm not ashamed of where the US soccer future is headed, even though I'm not a fan of the DA system. Something is going in the right direction.
                Actually USA has beat this English squad several times in the past 1-2 years at major tournaments.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Sure....I agree. Always super easy to throw bombs from the cheap seats....

                  What's the solution smart guy. What changes need to be implemented ASAP? Or is this one of those things where you just say "this sucks" and have no idea how to make it better?

                  Seriously, what the first step?
                  Not the poster you are responding to but the solution is for US players to be immersed in technical training. Basic training for first touch, passing, and dribbling. In other countries players are inherently immersed at a young age because of the culture. That isn't our culture and we never catch up. Never. Here our best players spend hours and hours traveling to games, practices, and working on strategy that means next to nothing because the skill set isn't there to execute relative to the athletes defending them.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Actually USA has beat this English squad several times in the past 1-2 years at major tournaments.
                    That sounds promising, What tournaments & Dates?

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Not the poster you are responding to but the solution is for US players to be immersed in technical training. Basic training for first touch, passing, and dribbling. In other countries players are inherently immersed at a young age because of the culture. That isn't our culture and we never catch up. Never. Here our best players spend hours and hours traveling to games, practices, and working on strategy that means next to nothing because the skill set isn't there to execute relative to the athletes defending them.
                      Obvious is obvious.

                      The question wasn't "what's wrong?" Anyone that watches soccer can see the problem.

                      The question was "how to fix it?" Specifically.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Our system needs restructuring asap! Coaches and Parents bought into the DA system please don't respond!
                        https://media.giphy.com/media/26BGQh...VVNm/giphy.gif

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Obvious is obvious.

                          The question wasn't "what's wrong?" Anyone that watches soccer can see the problem.

                          The question was "how to fix it?" Specifically.
                          To quote Tim Robbins speaking to the warden in the Shawshank Redemption," How can you be so obtuse? ". The first sentence of my response covers your question. Have you seen academy or Club training? There is next to no Technical Training. A large percentage of club and Academy training should be Technical Training. It may be boring and monotonous but it is what US soccer needs. What do you think Christian Pulisics days were like with two parents that were both former soccer players? I guarantee you since he was a young boy he was having technical skills drilled into him. Here it's merely an afterthought. Right now the only thing that resembles Technical Training is the warm-up. That is your answer.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            To quote Tim Robbins speaking to the warden in the Shawshank Redemption," How can you be so obtuse? ". The first sentence of my response covers your question. Have you seen academy or Club training? There is next to no Technical Training. A large percentage of club and Academy training should be Technical Training. It may be boring and monotonous but it is what US soccer needs. What do you think Christian Pulisics days were like with two parents that were both former soccer players? I guarantee you since he was a young boy he was having technical skills drilled into him. Here it's merely an afterthought. Right now the only thing that resembles Technical Training is the warm-up. That is your answer.
                            I guess, maybe you're too obtuse to understand that "more technical training" is far from a "specific" answer.

                            Oh, ok....coaches...try more "technical training" in practice from now on and problem solved. Give me a fvckin break. The underlining problems with our soccer culture are much much deeper than that.

                            Lack of elite technical skills ( or even above average international quality)is obvious on the men's NT side. 40 minutes more of technical training at practice 2 or 3 times a week will not develop the next group of world beaters. It just won't cause it's still not even close to enough touches. At a certain level...the kids and players need to accept resonaibity for their technical prowess on their own. 8 cones and a 20 x 20 space is all they need to tech train. Should be damn near everyday.

                            Compounding the problem is an ego centric culture that values winning games above all else even at the youngest age groups. Tactics and passing more important than creativity and ball skill mastery from the very beginning. How or why will the youngest players ( this is where in needs to start) develop the technical skills and freedom to use them in a setting where it's accepted and rewarded? Who will teach them? The dearth of competent let alone elite level coaches is a huge issue.

                            So many other problems. Too numerous too list. Much bigger problems than "tear down the DA." As a matter of fact...this network thats already established could be helpful in implementing the numerous changes that are needed.

                            But, what do I know, I'm obtuse.

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                              #15
                              We do not have a huge problem in the United States with not having enough quality players to put together a good roster that can compete at an international level. The problem is at the international level and our US YNT coaches along with our NT coaches are not at the level. They are bad all around with both the men's and women's programs. We have a problem with coaching at the international level! Scouting, player management, roster selection and simple experience are a major issues.

                              Prior to the U17 World Cup the results against top international teams were very good. Go back and look at the results. I watched those U17 friendly games (along with the U17 WC qualifying games) and prior to the WC I thought the Carlton, the hyped kid from Atlanta United was not at an international level. He will be a good player in the MLS, but that is it. He shouldn’t be on the national team. This has to been seen now or else we have him in World Cup qualification and he continues in the next cycle. There are a few others like him. These youth NT rosters need to scrutinized by our new men’s national staff. John Hackworth, the U17 coach, has always been a poor evaluator of talent and player selection. My former players that played for him at the national level said he sessions, attitude and coaching ability was terrible. They all said working with him was a joke and they were getting better training back at their clubs. Hackworth doesn’t get tactics right either; he doesn’t get the game. We have an excellent talent pool from U15 to U23 along with a 5 or so guys on the current USMNT roster so the future should be good, but it is way more concerning to me that we have unqualified and low-level individuals making decisions around roster and game day player selections. We have very few top-level coaches in our youth national system. Other than Omid Namazi and Tab Ramos, our youth national coaches aren’t at the international level.

                              It was the same with our men’s national team. We had to beat T&T to advance, one game, just one game to advance. Jermaine Jones is older, and might not have been a guy to go to Russia, but he is certainly better than any player on the T&T roster and could have played in front of our back four with Bradley, and the midfield would have been won. Danny Williams just put on a show in a win vs. Manchester United over the weekend and he wasn’t good enough to play against T&T or even be selected to the roster?? William is another central player that would have won the battle with hard work as a central player, but does get called up?? Fabian Johnson has the experience and discipline along with physicality. Both goals vs. T&T came from the US left side in that match, where Johnson would have played. Geoff Cameron should have been on the field as well, and again, he is better than any player on the T&T team and didn’t see the field. He is in the top 5 guys on that team and didn’t see the field. Bruce Arena is a gym teacher. Arena was a multi sport coach that played minimal soccer growing up. He was hired as a college soccer coach in the 80’s because there weren’t any soccer coaches to coach university teams. There weren’t enough soccer coaches back then to fill the vacancies of college coaching positions so any soccer background with a PE cert got you a job. The fact that he won at UVA or early in the MLS means nothing. They are PE soccer coaches, not pro or international level coaches. There are guys like this still involved in our national system. These guys need to go and Sunil Gulati*is a huge part of the problem.

                              I think the U17 quarter final loss wasn’t as much as being beaten by a team that was light years better, because it was a close game for most of the match. To me it was a matter of poor player roster and game day selection. Poor coaching that isn’t up to the level of the players. Poor coaching that cannot manage the talent. This has to change.

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