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    Aren't Coaches supposed to teach game play @practice?

    Hmm? D has been playing @town level couple years & we decided to try Club, thinking the coaching most likely would be better. Club coaching has been better so far, as town coach commitment is low & we understand & accept this is volunteer. However @Club practice we have noticed there is no game play practice. Or VERY little. D is U11 & we understand the individual development aspect but our thoughts are that the goal should be to create better team play ultimately? Just wondering if all Clubs @U11 tend to just use drills & teach very little game tactics with the less experienced girls?

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    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Hmm? D has been playing @town level couple years & we decided to try Club, thinking the coaching most likely would be better. Club coaching has been better so far, as town coach commitment is low & we understand & accept this is volunteer. However @Club practice we have noticed there is no game play practice. Or VERY little. D is U11 & we understand the individual development aspect but our thoughts are that the goal should be to create better team play ultimately? Just wondering if all Clubs @U11 tend to just use drills & teach very little game tactics with the less experienced girls?
    What's your definition of game play practice (corners, direct kicks, throw ins). If so those shouldn't be a big priority at U11. Focus should be on foot skills and passing. 3 v 3 or 4 v 4 drills should be utilized.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Hmm? D has been playing @town level couple years & we decided to try Club, thinking the coaching most likely would be better. Club coaching has been better so far, as town coach commitment is low & we understand & accept this is volunteer. However @Club practice we have noticed there is no game play practice. Or VERY little. D is U11 & we understand the individual development aspect but our thoughts are that the goal should be to create better team play ultimately? Just wondering if all Clubs @U11 tend to just use drills & teach very little game tactics with the less experienced girls?
      I'm impressed by the coach. The biggest problem in US soccer is strategy being employed without the technical foundation laid down first. You could have the soccer equivalent of Bill Belichick running plays for your team, but if they don't have the skill set to pull it off, it's all a waste of time. There's limited time at practice, so by far technical skill at that age should be the focus. Give the coach a raise!

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        #4
        What's the end game in mind? National Team or just high school soccer? Big difference in what it takes to be successful at each. Some of you parents should actually think about what you really want before you want to take the deep plunge chasing high level soccer. It's a sucker's bet if you don't know what you are doing and you child doesn't the requisite athleticism, technical skill and desire.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          What's the end game in mind? National Team or just high school soccer? Big difference in what it takes to be successful at each. Some of you parents should actually think about what you really want before you want to take the deep plunge chasing high level soccer. It's a sucker's bet if you don't know what you are doing and you child doesn't the requisite athleticism, technical skill and desire.
          My God, at 10 you don't have to know your kid is National Team material to give club soccer a try. Get a grip!

          I agree that the player has to have the drive, but nothing wrong with seeing how they like it. If it's not this family's cup of tea they can always stop.

          In fact this is what I can't stand about our resident crank. Someone new to club soccer asks a reasonable question, and instead of answering, he trots out is standard mantra of "you should know that your kid is destined for the national team at age 10/But your kid sucks/so you should quit club soccer". Get a life, man! And consider actually answering the OP's question.

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            #6
            Thanks guys, great feedback. We are not looking too far into future! 10yrs old after all! Lol Was just curious as to common club approach to teaching at this age. My wife & I thought it odd that organized team play during games seems to be lacking @practice but the individual skills attention is certainly there. We realize Ws are not that important now but I guess we are a bit impatient with the girls learning the game as a team. OP

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              #7
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Thanks guys, great feedback. We are not looking too far into future! 10yrs old after all! Lol Was just curious as to common club approach to teaching at this age. My wife & I thought it odd that organized team play during games seems to be lacking @practice but the individual skills attention is certainly there. We realize Ws are not that important now but I guess we are a bit impatient with the girls learning the game as a team. OP
              Better more training (assuming it's done correctly) than never ending scrimmages while the coach looks at his phone. That's more common.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                My God, at 10 you don't have to know your kid is National Team material to give club soccer a try. Get a grip!

                I agree that the player has to have the drive, but nothing wrong with seeing how they like it. If it's not this family's cup of tea they can always stop.

                In fact this is what I can't stand about our resident crank. Someone new to club soccer asks a reasonable question, and instead of answering, he trots out is standard mantra of "you should know that your kid is destined for the national team at age 10/But your kid sucks/so you should quit club soccer". Get a life, man! And consider actually answering the OP's question.
                What your club team costing you? 2-3 with travel and ancillary costs on top of that? Could easily drop $50-75k on your 9 yo before all is said and done. Thinking it through beforehand is not such strange advice.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  What your club team costing you? 2-3 with travel and ancillary costs on top of that? Could easily drop $50-75k on your 9 yo before all is said and done. Thinking it through beforehand is not such strange advice.
                  OP asked about coaching methods, not life advice. Go back to your "IF your kid sin't NT material go back to rec soccer" corner.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    OP asked about coaching methods, not life advice. Go back to your "IF your kid sin't NT material go back to rec soccer" corner.
                    Op=you=idiot rec coach

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      OP asked about coaching methods, not life advice. Go back to your "IF your kid sin't NT material go back to rec soccer" corner.
                      it's ok brotha! We are keen to the background conspiracy thoughts out there. We, as a family, are having an absolute blast @club, & really don't care about the $. My daughter is having so much fun '& building loads of confidence. We'll just be sad if/when team breaks up next year! :( And our experience is we are getting the better coaching than our town is able to offer. Others may have more options but for us this is working

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        it's ok brotha! We are keen to the background conspiracy thoughts out there. We, as a family, are having an absolute blast @club, & really don't care about the $. My daughter is having so much fun '& building loads of confidence. We'll just be sad if/when team breaks up next year! :( And our experience is we are getting the better coaching than our town is able to offer. Others may have more options but for us this is working
                        Best advice I ever got early on is always take it one year at a time. Things change - team breaks up, kid loses interest, kid wants something even more challenging, not happy with coaching. This isn't a life long commitment lol.

                        But there are some here that are happy to tell you you're wasting your money. It's yours to spend.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Hmm? D has been playing @town level couple years & we decided to try Club, thinking the coaching most likely would be better. Club coaching has been better so far, as town coach commitment is low & we understand & accept this is volunteer. However @Club practice we have noticed there is no game play practice. Or VERY little. D is U11 & we understand the individual development aspect but our thoughts are that the goal should be to create better team play ultimately? Just wondering if all Clubs @U11 tend to just use drills & teach very little game tactics with the less experienced girls?
                          It sounds like you got lucky and found a good coach. Having raised 3 kids through club soccer (2 playing in college), I think you’re fortunate if your coach is building technical skill over tactical skill at U11. The key to playing fast and handling pressure at the older ages is to have terrific skill throughout the team - not just in a couple of midfielders. I think too many coaches get a couple of skilled midfielders, pair them with a run-all-day sprinter at forward and 2 big clearing machines at center back and then press the “win now” button. They win a lot until other athletic teams show up and put pressure on them. When that happens, tactics and formation only get the coach so far, and the winning slows waaay down.

                          If your daughter is playing lots of little 3v3 and 4v4 games and learning to use space and angles and master the ball in traffic, you’re way ahead of the game.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Hmm? D has been playing @town level couple years & we decided to try Club, thinking the coaching most likely would be better. Club coaching has been better so far, as town coach commitment is low & we understand & accept this is volunteer. However @Club practice we have noticed there is no game play practice. Or VERY little. D is U11 & we understand the individual development aspect but our thoughts are that the goal should be to create better team play ultimately? Just wondering if all Clubs @U11 tend to just use drills & teach very little game tactics with the less experienced girls?
                            Fair question and I'll share my experience. My kid's first club experience was when he was on a U11 team (with a good number of the kids incl my son playing up an age because of numbers issues). Had the same reaction about them apparently not practicing any game condition situations. Practices were occupied with individual moves and pair ups between 2 individuals at most. First few games of the fall were ugly, no order or communication or organization amongst themselves and they were getting beat by bad teams. Rest of fall wasn't much better. Coach primed the parents with the idea that winning short term isn't our goal, don't coach from the sidelines, we'll give up some easy goals as the kids experiment with possession rather than whipping it down the field, etc. I think a little talk of playing out of the back went on at the practices at some point at the year progressed but Never practiced or strategized about game situations though. No practicing of set plays or throw ins at all (and my kid still can't do a proper throw in, thank god he's a striker).

                            By the spring, suddenly they started playing from the back out of nowhere and it usually looked good and got better. And the kids making good decisions. Play from the back on the right side, encounter traffic, play it back and around and go up the left side. I remember one game in particular where they did exactly this and it took like 7 passes from their own goalie save to putting the ball in the back of the net through accurate short passes and a cross to an open guy in front (and not one long ball). It was like whoa - where did that come from. The individual skill improvement led to it being practical to look for the open man and pass the ball and play as a team. I laugh at the coaches my kids have been encumbered with that preach pass pass pass when the kids don't even have the skill to pass correctly, receive a pass correctly or carry the ball once they get a pass.

                            So chill at the games and ignore Ws and Ls, be patient, and hopefully what the coach is covering will lead to a similar result.

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                              #15
                              OP here...Nice, again great feedback. My girl's club team had their 1st game together this Sept & it seemed ugly, just as was experienced by previous post. And only 4 or 5 games into season there is very noticable improvement, with 2-3 practices a week as well. I think most of D's team parents, including us, do not question coaches about approach with respect to practice, but I'm betting many parents, again including us, are just wondering why the lack of game lessons. These posts here are very helpful & we'll mention this info to rest of parents. It may ease some anxiety! Lol

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