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    Boca vs. Weston ECNL comparison

    I read consistently how terrible Boca is which is coming from the Weston propaganda machine, but results from the first weekend don't show Weston was much better than us.

    Analysis of ECNL programs. My take so far.

    Fields

    Weston has more fields, but they get rained out much more than LR at Boca. The fields at Boca are better maintained, while Vista looks like a sandpit most of the year. Doesn't matter how many fields you have, if they are in terrible shape. Advantage Boca.

    Coaches

    Boca has coaches that have proven success (i.e. State cup finalist). Weston has A licensed coaches that have never had any success. Names and status goes to Weston, but development goes to Boca. Look at our last graduating class and MC's last class. Clemson, UM, Yale, UF, etc while Weston has Barry and Lynn. Advantage Boca. Easily.

    Results

    Weston record: 3 wins, 6 losses, 1 tie. Goal differential 11-32. Goal differential vs CESA 7-12
    Boca record: 3 wins, 7 losses. Goal differential 13-52. Goal differential vs CESA 10-13.

    Same amount of wins. Weston is 1 pt better than Boca. Tophat showed us no mercy, and Weston parked the bus against them, while we played them straight up. Against CESA Boca had better goal differential than Weston. Because of the terrible showing against Tophat, Advantage Weston. But not by much.

    The difference between Boca and Weston is minimal. Yet all the Pro- Weston folks are badmouthing Boca at every turn. You would think that Weston was undefeated and competing for national championships, but that's not what results indicate. After one weekend of ECNL play I would say both clubs are fairly even.

    #2
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    I read consistently how terrible Boca is which is coming from the Weston propaganda machine, but results from the first weekend don't show Weston was much better than us.

    Analysis of ECNL programs. My take so far.

    Fields

    Weston has more fields, but they get rained out much more than LR at Boca. The fields at Boca are better maintained, while Vista looks like a sandpit most of the year. Doesn't matter how many fields you have, if they are in terrible shape. Advantage Boca.

    Coaches

    Boca has coaches that have proven success (i.e. State cup finalist). Weston has A licensed coaches that have never had any success. Names and status goes to Weston, but development goes to Boca. Look at our last graduating class and MC's last class. Clemson, UM, Yale, UF, etc while Weston has Barry and Lynn. Advantage Boca. Easily.

    Results

    Weston record: 3 wins, 6 losses, 1 tie. Goal differential 11-32. Goal differential vs CESA 7-12
    Boca record: 3 wins, 7 losses. Goal differential 13-52. Goal differential vs CESA 10-13.

    Same amount of wins. Weston is 1 pt better than Boca. Tophat showed us no mercy, and Weston parked the bus against them, while we played them straight up. Against CESA Boca had better goal differential than Weston. Because of the terrible showing against Tophat, Advantage Weston. But not by much.

    The difference between Boca and Weston is minimal. Yet all the Pro- Weston folks are badmouthing Boca at every turn. You would think that Weston was undefeated and competing for national championships, but that's not what results indicate. After one weekend of ECNL play I would say both clubs are fairly even.
    Weston is that insecure teenage girl that goes around badmouthing any potential threat.

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      #3
      I agree that we are both not anywhere close

      In a nutshell, until the talent realizes that ECNL is the path forward and the Elite go to the DA there is no way to compete against the bigger clubs. Coaches, fields, or idiot parents can't provide more talent. While on paper Weston should be much better there is really only one team there that is decent and will compete. That's the way it should be at every age group. Davie United made that happen. If Sunrise were (if Weston or BUFC could pay GC and AC enough) to join either BU or WFC then the balance would shift. I really believe that there should be one DA team between the two locations with 2 coaches and 2 locations for training. Commonplace in the larger clubs in geographically dispersed areas like TX.

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        #4
        ECNL this area we are talking about is to close in radius to warrant any rating on clubs ! The talent is at both clubs can we not agree clubs find talent they tend not to develop it in house. The can however improve the talent they gain and kids will or should thrive because of better talent they gain every year. Since this is all really development over time one cannot say one club is better then the other. One more comment ECNL will continue to add Clubs to its program like Sunrise etc.... so I see it somewhat weaken it's role it plays in soccer expansion is tricky and the cause and effect can lead lessoning the pool players in a region if not carefully balance checking . I also think however its the only way ECNL can make it because of the threat of the Women DA program and the unknown impact it can have in this industry!

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          #5
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          ECNL this area we are talking about is to close in radius to warrant any rating on clubs ! The talent is at both clubs can we not agree clubs find talent they tend not to develop it in house. The can however improve the talent they gain and kids will or should thrive because of better talent they gain every year. Since this is all really development over time one cannot say one club is better then the other. One more comment ECNL will continue to add Clubs to its program like Sunrise etc.... so I see it somewhat weaken it's role it plays in soccer expansion is tricky and the cause and effect can lead lessoning the pool players in a region if not carefully balance checking . I also think however its the only way ECNL can make it because of the threat of the Women DA program and the unknown impact it can have in this industry!
          Thank you for some much needed insight and not club shaming. i think Sunrise would be more successful with ECNL than Weston or Boca, because how well they've recruited, developed, and competed at a high level. Sunrise is ECNL's best option in South Florida. Boca has the best development mentality, but not the competitive mentality. Weston has all the makings of a great competitive club, but they have never been able to put anything competitive on the field. It took ECNL and a US National Team coach to attract talent. DA is supposed to be the future, but only time will tell.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            I read consistently how terrible Boca is which is coming from the Weston propaganda machine, but results from the first weekend don't show Weston was much better than us.

            Analysis of ECNL programs. My take so far.

            Fields

            Weston has more fields, but they get rained out much more than LR at Boca. The fields at Boca are better maintained, while Vista looks like a sandpit most of the year. Doesn't matter how many fields you have, if they are in terrible shape. Advantage Boca.

            Coaches

            Boca has coaches that have proven success (i.e. State cup finalist). Weston has A licensed coaches that have never had any success. Names and status goes to Weston, but development goes to Boca. Look at our last graduating class and MC's last class. Clemson, UM, Yale, UF, etc while Weston has Barry and Lynn. Advantage Boca. Easily.

            Results

            Weston record: 3 wins, 6 losses, 1 tie. Goal differential 11-32. Goal differential vs CESA 7-12
            Boca record: 3 wins, 7 losses. Goal differential 13-52. Goal differential vs CESA 10-13.

            Same amount of wins. Weston is 1 pt better than Boca. Tophat showed us no mercy, and Weston parked the bus against them, while we played them straight up. Against CESA Boca had better goal differential than Weston. Because of the terrible showing against Tophat, Advantage Weston. But not by much.

            The difference between Boca and Weston is minimal. Yet all the Pro- Weston folks are badmouthing Boca at every turn. You would think that Weston was undefeated and competing for national championships, but that's not what results indicate. After one weekend of ECNL play I would say both clubs are fairly even.
            Are you seriously comparing overall records of all divisions after the first 2-3 weeks of the season? When no team has played more than 2 games? Seriously?

            Classic TS a-s-s-h-a-t!!!! Lemme see if I can guess which club your daughter plays form. Hmmmmmmm . . . . . .

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              #7
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              In a nutshell, until the talent realizes that ECNL is the path forward and the Elite go to the DA there is no way to compete against the bigger clubs. Coaches, fields, or idiot parents can't provide more talent. While on paper Weston should be much better there is really only one team there that is decent and will compete. That's the way it should be at every age group. Davie United made that happen. If Sunrise were (if Weston or BUFC could pay GC and AC enough) to join either BU or WFC then the balance would shift. I really believe that there should be one DA team between the two locations with 2 coaches and 2 locations for training. Commonplace in the larger clubs in geographically dispersed areas like TX.
              Boca is a lost cause. They are so incompetent and unorganized. ECNL has realized they made a mistake. Weston is the best option.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                Are you seriously comparing overall records of all divisions after the first 2-3 weeks of the season? When no team has played more than 2 games? Seriously?

                Classic TS a-s-s-h-a-t!!!! Lemme see if I can guess which club your daughter plays form. Hmmmmmmm . . . . . .
                I have nothing to hide. I'm providing facts and my opinion. You don't have to like it or agree with it, but that doesn't mean acting like a teenager will give you any logical argument. My daughter plays for Boca and we love it. We have bought into the development and her team has gotten better. All I read is how Boca sucks and Weston is this and that. So I gave my opinion with facts and you called me an "a-s-s-h-a-t. Lemme see if I can guess which club YOUR plays for.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  I have nothing to hide. I'm providing facts and my opinion. You don't have to like it or agree with it, but that doesn't mean acting like a teenager will give you any logical argument. My daughter plays for Boca and we love it. We have bought into the development and her team has gotten better. All I read is how Boca sucks and Weston is this and that. So I gave my opinion with facts and you called me an "a-s-s-h-a-t. Lemme see if I can guess which club YOUR plays for.
                  Bottom line; Tophat can't compete on the National Stage. So why are we all even talking about us vs. them. We all have a long way to go. If Sunrise gets ECNL then those girls should go to DA since they are clearly all better than Boca or Weston ECNL girls. Why don't we do a 3 way scrimmage at all age groups to see were we all are now and then again at the end of the year. Guarantee that the kids playing week in and week out in the ECNL are going to have progressed much further. Now if we could actually put all of the best kids in DA then we would see more Christian Pulicis out there.... (girl version would be better of course)

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Bottom line; Tophat can't compete on the National Stage. So why are we all even talking about us vs. them. We all have a long way to go. If Sunrise gets ECNL then those girls should go to DA since they are clearly all better than Boca or Weston ECNL girls. Why don't we do a 3 way scrimmage at all age groups to see were we all are now and then again at the end of the year. Guarantee that the kids playing week in and week out in the ECNL are going to have progressed much further. Now if we could actually put all of the best kids in DA then we would see more Christian Pulicis out there.... (girl version would be better of course)
                    Weston, Davie, Sunrise, and Pembroke Pines should see the path forward but control and $ cloud everything. They should be merging and working together for the kids. There is plenty of $ for everyone from the rec kids/parents all the way up. Cut the crap and streamline and then we can talk about Tophat. Until then, enjoy losing in more ways than just scores.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Bottom line; Tophat can't compete on the National Stage. So why are we all even talking about us vs. them. We all have a long way to go. If Sunrise gets ECNL then those girls should go to DA since they are clearly all better than Boca or Weston ECNL girls. Why don't we do a 3 way scrimmage at all age groups to see were we all are now and then again at the end of the year. Guarantee that the kids playing week in and week out in the ECNL are going to have progressed much further. Now if we could actually put all of the best kids in DA then we would see more Christian Pulicis out there.... (girl version would be better of course)
                      You just don't get it do you.
                      Sunrise has always worked hard to qualify for the right to play the top talent in the nation.
                      They are still playing top talent but you obviously don't do your research.

                      Where has your daughter played over the last 6 years or so?
                      Because if she wasn't at Sunrise then she was always playing the lowest level of competition because no other clubs could qualify in order to play the best.

                      This is what blows my mind hearing people like you acting like your daughter has always played with and against the best when it never has been true.

                      Now you are hoping that the top talent will leave Sunrise so that she may finally play with the best, but guess what?

                      If the top talent left Sunrise for your daughters team then she might just be on the bench.

                      Fair enough?

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                        #12
                        Can we all take a distant view of ECNL please stop beating the chest of one club is better then the other club! ECNL seems to be coming to a cross road as a leader or a pre-academy level type road for players ! ECNL vs Girls DA program is the pathway with most chance to be noticed by Div 1 schools and US soccer .... I am not saying if you have a great player and you only play club level and HS soccer soccer your not going to get a chance to play at a high level. I feel talented players get noticed no matter what !

                        I also think the Boys and Girls DA program role out is planned to be the highest level of play out there for your child. Now what does ECNL have to offer or what direction or role can it play over time that is the question ? ECNL now is the best path for girls simple fact no DA for girls has been in the mix until NEXT year for the planned roll out.

                        I think ECNL will be the pre - academy type level of soccer with a planned roll out for boys version of ECNL(B) soon to follow the girls US DA program. I also think there only attack on the DA programs will be to expand to local Clubs this ECNL program this will replace there DIV 1 club play for ECNL play is my thought. I would term this in the level of PRE-Academy at DA level if you will playing in league play like NPL etc... It will be a good way to still get noticed better then just club level without going to the DA level.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          You just don't get it do you.
                          Sunrise has always worked hard to qualify for the right to play the top talent in the nation.
                          They are still playing top talent but you obviously don't do your research.

                          Where has your daughter played over the last 6 years or so?
                          Because if she wasn't at Sunrise then she was always playing the lowest level of competition because no other clubs could qualify in order to play the best.

                          This is what blows my mind hearing people like you acting like your daughter has always played with and against the best when it never has been true.

                          Now you are hoping that the top talent will leave Sunrise so that she may finally play with the best, but guess what?

                          If the top talent left Sunrise for your daughters team then she might just be on the bench.

                          Fair enough?
                          She has played at Sunrise had horrible coaching and left. Played in the big tournaments and was part of the "win" culture. Now she is learning to play soccer and be prepared for the next level. She may not be committed yet but neither is half of the team she used to play with so big deal. It's all about the commits and winning for you guys. What I think the rest of the soccer world is saying is that you can't get DA because no one likes the fact that you can't develop players. We do recognize that you are trying with the hiring of an ex-weston DOC and an ex JFC coach, both excellent. I think you all are too good for ECNL next year as it will be second tier compared to DA. At least that is what US Soccer wants. So what do you do? If your daughter joined Weston or Boca United that would make the most sense. If my daughter sits the bench because yours is better so be it. It's what is best for US Soccer and both of our daughters.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            She has played at Sunrise had horrible coaching and left. Played in the big tournaments and was part of the "win" culture. Now she is learning to play soccer and be prepared for the next level. She may not be committed yet but neither is half of the team she used to play with so big deal. It's all about the commits and winning for you guys. What I think the rest of the soccer world is saying is that you can't get DA because no one likes the fact that you can't develop players. We do recognize that you are trying with the hiring of an ex-weston DOC and an ex JFC coach, both excellent. I think you all are too good for ECNL next year as it will be second tier compared to DA. At least that is what US Soccer wants. So what do you do? If your daughter joined Weston or Boca United that would make the most sense. If my daughter sits the bench because yours is better so be it. It's what is best for US Soccer and both of our daughters.
                            It is about coaching and training. It happens at every club you can get a good or bad coach. It is no different than at Boca or Weston. I have researched every club to make the best decision for my daughter. All have their flaws and their strengths. She played as a discovery player for a couple years and that didn't quite work. Sunrise doesn't have political influence or money to get DA it's that simple. It has nothing to do with developing players. The move to Sunrise came after researching the pros and cons of each club. My oldest daughter was at Weston when Carlos and Tricia were there and the development was subpar. It is a mistake many people first make. Her being my oldest and with no sense of how soccer worked I fell for the UMiami and A license trap. She ended up quitting by 17. My youngest daughter now at Sunrise trained all summer, practice is rarely canceled, and the training is excellent. All this brings me back to my first point, as a parent you have to evaluate which situation is best for your daughter. Look who is the person in charge of developing, evaluate play time, and what else you think is most important. For me training and developing is the most important. I have heard nightmares about coaches at Sunrise and have seen some bad ones in person. Lito, Russ, Mike are all examples of coaches Sunrise needs to replace. Not every coach at every club is a good one, I learned that the hard way. But the training she is getting now is the best training she has ever gotten.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              She has played at Sunrise had horrible coaching and left. Played in the big tournaments and was part of the "win" culture. Now she is learning to play soccer and be prepared for the next level. She may not be committed yet but neither is half of the team she used to play with so big deal. It's all about the commits and winning for you guys. What I think the rest of the soccer world is saying is that you can't get DA because no one likes the fact that you can't develop players. We do recognize that you are trying with the hiring of an ex-weston DOC and an ex JFC coach, both excellent. I think you all are too good for ECNL next year as it will be second tier compared to DA. At least that is what US Soccer wants. So what do you do? If your daughter joined Weston or Boca United that would make the most sense. If my daughter sits the bench because yours is better so be it. It's what is best for US Soccer and both of our daughters.
                              Why would joining Weston or Boca make the most sense? 25 years of mediocre coaching and that changes overnight? Get real

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