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    Girls DAP vs ECNL; Do explain

    Not up to date on this topic. What is the talk of girls DAP? To consolidate under US Soccer to align with boys? And eliminate ECNL to start from scratch with a girls DAP? Is there a projected start date? Is this in a planning stage?

    To avoid questions from other posters and for them to get up to speed:

    DAP= Developmental Academy Program (boys)
    From US Soccer website:
    The U.S. Soccer Development Academy is a program that provides education, resources and support to impact everyday club environments that will develop world-class players.

    Basically it is US Soccer's program designed to create a league for development of top players with the intent of providing the primary platform for future national team players.

    ECNL= Elite Clubs National League
    From ECNL website:
    The goal of the Elite Clubs National League is to change the landscape for elite female soccer players in the United States through innovative, player-centered programming and to enhance the overall experience by creating a better, more enjoyable, and more successful player, coach, and club development model.

    Basically the same idea as boys DAP program, but NOT run in parallel with US Soccer. Creates a strange disconnect between boys and girls programs. It currently exists as the closest equivalent DAP path for high level girls soccer in the US.

    *Can we avoid this thread from being a debate on the pros and cons of the current DAP and ECNL leagues and how there are other just as good or better paths. Readers can look up further DAP and ECNL info at the those websites for precise information if desired. Please save any controversy or those debates for another thread*

    #2
    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    Not up to date on this topic. What is the talk of girls DAP? To consolidate under US Soccer to align with boys? And eliminate ECNL to start from scratch with a girls DAP? Is there a projected start date? Is this in a planning stage?

    To avoid questions from other posters and for them to get up to speed:

    DAP= Developmental Academy Program (boys)
    From US Soccer website:
    The U.S. Soccer Development Academy is a program that provides education, resources and support to impact everyday club environments that will develop world-class players.

    Basically it is US Soccer's program designed to create a league for development of top players with the intent of providing the primary platform for future national team players.

    ECNL= Elite Clubs National League
    From ECNL website:
    The goal of the Elite Clubs National League is to change the landscape for elite female soccer players in the United States through innovative, player-centered programming and to enhance the overall experience by creating a better, more enjoyable, and more successful player, coach, and club development model.

    Basically the same idea as boys DAP program, but NOT run in parallel with US Soccer. Creates a strange disconnect between boys and girls programs. It currently exists as the closest equivalent DAP path for high level girls soccer in the US.

    *Can we avoid this thread from being a debate on the pros and cons of the current DAP and ECNL leagues and how there are other just as good or better paths. Readers can look up further DAP and ECNL info at the those websites for precise information if desired. Please save any controversy or those debates for another thread*
    There's no need for a girls DAP program. ECNL is filling the void. The only thing ECNL needs to focus is a mechanism for getting the historically terrible clubs out if the system.

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      #3
      Ecnl seems to be doing fine. The women won the World Cup and the national teams are full of ECNL players. I can't wait for the DAP to make the girls choose between high school and DAP.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        There's no need for a girls DAP program. ECNL is filling the void. The only thing ECNL needs to focus is a mechanism for getting the historically terrible clubs out if the system.
        Agree on all fronts. DAP at least does some club relegation and there are more standards in place, supervision, etc. That's my main complaint about ECNL - it's run by clubs. Other than that it's fine. With no real pro path for women and women focusing on college placements there's no need for a girls version of DAP. WNT doesn't need it either. Really for most men there's no need either - most end up playing in college and the top top talent that goes pro or goes NT are almost always on MLS clubs. Kids playing on non-MLS teams should be allowed to play HS

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          #5
          The Ecnl system (country club style) is far from being what the women's development need. Believe it or not our youth NT are not doing as well as portrayed here. The older ODP provided better quality teams. Yes the WNT won the world cup but seriously how many of us were confident in the preliminary round? I know it is an if but if that Germany' s pk would go in we would be telling different story now. It wasn't comfortable, there were a lot countries ( france, brazil, japan...) that presented good soccer, better ideas and it is a matter of time for them to be winners more often.
          Ecnl could work, it has to be implemented with promotion and relegation system and US soccer has to have more hand in it. Leave the faith of it to a handful of DOC's of youth clubs will not cut it.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            The Ecnl system (country club style) is far from being what the women's development need. Believe it or not our youth NT are not doing as well as portrayed here. The older ODP provided better quality teams. Yes the WNT won the world cup but seriously how many of us were confident in the preliminary round? I know it is an if but if that Germany' s pk would go in we would be telling different story now. It wasn't comfortable, there were a lot countries ( france, brazil, japan...) that presented good soccer, better ideas and it is a matter of time for them to be winners more often.
            Ecnl could work, it has to be implemented with promotion and relegation system and US soccer has to have more hand in it. Leave the faith of it to a handful of DOC's of youth clubs will not cut it.
            If say the Docs of each ecnl region could get together with NON ecnl clubs and pull together the best players by state, pull them all into 4 regional camps, assemble regional teams and send them to a national camp for a couple weeks over the summer where the sandouts would form one team you could put this team against the wnt's by age group at the end of week 2 THEN you'd have some completion and development.
            The egos and money involved keep this or any consolidation of talent like this from forming. Now if a girls Dap, as once suggested, became a step above uscs/usys and was run by the NT - hmm.
            Now on the odp thread there was mention of 2001 regional odp girls playing gnt 15s at the thanksgiving interregional this week - not a bad move and a good start.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Not up to date on this topic. What is the talk of girls DAP? To consolidate under US Soccer to align with boys? And eliminate ECNL to start from scratch with a girls DAP? Is there a projected start date? Is this in a planning stage?

              To avoid questions from other posters and for them to get up to speed:

              DAP= Developmental Academy Program (boys)
              From US Soccer website:
              The U.S. Soccer Development Academy is a program that provides education, resources and support to impact everyday club environments that will develop world-class players.

              Basically it is US Soccer's program designed to create a league for development of top players with the intent of providing the primary platform for future national team players.

              ECNL= Elite Clubs National League
              From ECNL website:
              The goal of the Elite Clubs National League is to change the landscape for elite female soccer players in the United States through innovative, player-centered programming and to enhance the overall experience by creating a better, more enjoyable, and more successful player, coach, and club development model.

              Basically the same idea as boys DAP program, but NOT run in parallel with US Soccer. Creates a strange disconnect between boys and girls programs. It currently exists as the closest equivalent DAP path for high level girls soccer in the US.

              *Can we avoid this thread from being a debate on the pros and cons of the current DAP and ECNL leagues and how there are other just as good or better paths. Readers can look up further DAP and ECNL info at the those websites for precise information if desired. Please save any controversy or those debates for another thread*
              The big difference is DAP is a mindset, it's a development philosophy, where as the ECNL is just a league where SOME of the clubs who have adopted the DAP mindset on the girl's side also place teams. DAP is basically a 7 day a week program where the club (like a true academy) over see's just about aspect of a player's development. It goes much deeper than the 2 or 3 practices that the typical club around here offer. It's really a total immersion type thing, more like your daughter would find in college, that brings things like strength and conditioning into the equation in an organized fashion. Sorry to burst your bubble but what the clubs around here offer is no where near an equivalent. For those of you who don't want to drink the ECNL kool-aide, the highest level of soccer on the girls side is currently found in the WPSL. If your daughter is good enough to play there as a high schooler that is where they will find the highest level of competition.

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                #8
                Originally posted by beentheredonethat View Post
                The big difference is DAP is a mindset, it's a development philosophy, where as the ECNL is just a league where SOME of the clubs who have adopted the DAP mindset on the girl's side also place teams. DAP is basically a 7 day a week program where the club (like a true academy) over see's just about aspect of a player's development. It goes much deeper than the 2 or 3 practices that the typical club around here offer. It's really a total immersion type thing, more like your daughter would find in college, that brings things like strength and conditioning into the equation in an organized fashion. Sorry to burst your bubble but what the clubs around here offer is no where near an equivalent. For those of you who don't want to drink the ECNL kool-aide, the highest level of soccer on the girls side is currently found in the WPSL. If your daughter is good enough to play there as a high schooler that is where they will find the highest level of competition.
                You don't have family events today? You're all over the map today with your youth soccer pathway "wisdom". Go away once and for all.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  You don't have family events today? You're all over the map today with your youth soccer pathway "wisdom". Go away once and for all.
                  Thanks or your strong contributions Perspective. Always good insight from you.

                  I think a girls DAP would be great for our region. There are a lot of players that would welcome that kind of environment. I hope it happens.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Thanks or your strong contributions Perspective. Always good insight from you.

                    I think a girls DAP would be great for our region. There are a lot of players that would welcome that kind of environment. I hope it happens.
                    Yet here you are as well.

                    You would think its a good idea, dumb dumb. and 7 years from now, you'll be promoting some idiotic new scheme.

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                      #11
                      The DAP should put the money they are going to spend on the girls program and put that money into the boys program. The U.S. men are struggling while the women are dominant.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Yet here you are as well.

                        You would think its a good idea, dumb dumb. and 7 years from now, you'll be promoting some idiotic new scheme.
                        At least he's contributing something, while you contribute nothing. Loser!

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                          #13
                          US Soccer is not happy with the current acadamy set up on the boys side which has not made any difference in producing talent. Additionally there is a huge gap in opportunities to train and play for 18-23 year olds when compared to Europe, Asia and South America. The problems on the boys side have delayed the imposition of a similar academy system on the girls side.

                          But, US Soccer does want to start an academy league for girls, and it may be as early as next summer. The real difference in my view is money. MLS has some financial incentives to provide funds for the boys side. There is no similar source of funding for the girls side. It is a hurdle which may leave the girls side too much in the pay to play category where it currently is mired. No one within US Soccer likes the cost of ecnl. It is just another expensive league which keeps poor kids out. That is not the model US Soccer is looking to use and promote. Again though funds are needed on an ongoing basis to change that system and where will they come from?

                          League admin costs for a girls dap have been in the US Soccer budget for a couple of years now, and pressure is mounting to do something soon. Hopefully it will be more than another 20 club league requiring parent funding.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Not up to date on this topic. What is the talk of girls DAP? To consolidate under US Soccer to align with boys? And eliminate ECNL to start from scratch with a girls DAP? Is there a projected start date? Is this in a planning stage?

                            To avoid questions from other posters and for them to get up to speed:

                            DAP= Developmental Academy Program (boys)
                            From US Soccer website:
                            The U.S. Soccer Development Academy is a program that provides education, resources and support to impact everyday club environments that will develop world-class players.

                            Basically it is US Soccer's program designed to create a league for development of top players with the intent of providing the primary platform for future national team players.

                            ECNL= Elite Clubs National League
                            From ECNL website:
                            The goal of the Elite Clubs National League is to change the landscape for elite female soccer players in the United States through innovative, player-centered programming and to enhance the overall experience by creating a better, more enjoyable, and more successful player, coach, and club development model.

                            Basically the same idea as boys DAP program, but NOT run in parallel with US Soccer. Creates a strange disconnect between boys and girls programs. It currently exists as the closest equivalent DAP path for high level girls soccer in the US.

                            *Can we avoid this thread from being a debate on the pros and cons of the current DAP and ECNL leagues and how there are other just as good or better paths. Readers can look up further DAP and ECNL info at the those websites for precise information if desired. Please save any controversy or those debates for another thread*
                            If DAP were really serious about changing an environment of a country, then they should adopt an spend money on a campaign of training & education from 5yrs old & on. across the country to change the mind set of coaches and athletes, and then once they have truly set in place a system that works, then implement something on the girls side, Anything less than that is just another organization trying to be the top attraction for people to spend there money on. Salaries of the currant DAP top 10% increase why everything else stays the same.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              Thanks or your strong contributions Perspective. Always good insight from you.

                              I think a girls DAP would be great for our region. There are a lot of players that would welcome that kind of environment. I hope it happens.
                              Even if there were the funding and interest for it (which I don't think is there) a girls program would run into the same issue as on the boys' side - scale. The boys side has separated even further between the MLS and non MLS clubs in terms of talent and coaching quality. But to make it a viable league they need all those clubs to play each other. It'd be even more cost prohibitive for MLS teams to fly all over the country to just play each other. There's only a few parts of the country where you could make it work

                              However I think the larger issue is what others have mentioned - on the girls side the players and their parents are more about college. That's the end game for them. It is on the boys side as well for many players already with only incremental improvements to the mens' game if at all. HArd to pitch such a system to one gender when it isn't really working for the other

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