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    Heading dangers again

    HEADING SOCCER BALL EQUALS FOOTBALL TACKLE FORCE, STUDY SHOWS

    http://espn.go.com/espnw/news-commen...ce-study-shows

    #2
    More research is needed.

    My own experiencing coaching and suffering a concussion myself, has been contact not involving heading the ball. Most have been ground contact after body collisions, a couple of times a driven ball from close range inadvertently hit the head.

    With respect you the article highlighting the force from heading goal kicks, I do believe there is way to much unnecessary defensive heading when players could trap and even control the ball. I coach that, but many others don't it seems. I think that would help.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      HEADING SOCCER BALL EQUALS FOOTBALL TACKLE FORCE, STUDY SHOWS

      http://espn.go.com/espnw/news-commen...ce-study-shows
      More inherent dangers in giving head than heading.

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        #4
        Watching I don't know how many youth games and experience with my own kids many concussions are from head-to-head collisions when two players go to head the ball, followed by hard ground hits or hitting the goal posts. Training players how to head the ball smarter and working on things like neck muscle development can help, but collisions with players/ground/post are an inevitable part of the game.

        That said this was a well done (but small) study. The brain changes should be a concern to any parent and coach, especially if you have a player whose position requires frequent heading. Repetitive small concussions often do more long term damage than one big obvious blow

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          #5
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Watching I don't know how many youth games and experience with my own kids many concussions are from head-to-head collisions when two players go to head the ball, followed by hard ground hits or hitting the goal posts. Training players how to head the ball smarter and working on things like neck muscle development can help, but collisions with players/ground/post are an inevitable part of the game.

          That said this was a well done (but small) study. The brain changes should be a concern to any parent and coach, especially if you have a player whose position requires frequent heading. Repetitive small concussions often do more long term damage than one big obvious blow
          Been involved with the game for 40+ years as player, 20+ as coach and 10+ as a ref. I have seen a fair amount of concussions but never from heading the ball. Maybe I have been lucky...

          - Cujo

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            #6
            When articles like this come out, it makes me cringe. Let's just ban sports all together.

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              #7
              Originally posted by AlexFilides View Post
              When articles like this come out, it makes me cringe. Let's just ban sports all together.
              100% agree. I played soccer for many years and was a fairly aggressive soccer player and I had no adverse effects. I am having ham and cheese for lunch. Did you see what they said about that Russian plane crash? Wow, it's nice out today.

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                #8
                Originally posted by AlexFilides View Post
                When articles like this come out, it makes me cringe. Let's just ban sports all together.
                I'm sure they felt that way about boxing and football way back as well

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by AlexFilides View Post
                  When articles like this come out, it makes me cringe. Let's just ban sports all together.
                  It is important to look at who is funding or pushing the study. In the past it has been the doctor who invented the heading band and who owns the patent and stands to make a buck or two off of everyone sold. Follow the money..........

                  - Cujo

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                    #10
                    Simple solution is for goal keepers to play smart, like they're supposed to, and play the ball on the ground to a defender, so they can start an attack out of the back. No need to be punting it or blasting goal kick praying one of their mid-fielders or forwards will win the 50/50 ball, anyway. It's likely that balls coming from most other plays on the field won't result in a dangerous amount of force and would be safe enough to head.

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                      #11
                      Been involved with the game for 40+ years as player, 20+ as coach and 10+ as a ref. I have seen a fair amount of concussions but never from heading the ball. Maybe I have been lucky...

                      - Cujo


                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      100% agree. I played soccer for many years and was a fairly aggressive soccer player and I had no adverse effects. I am having ham and cheese for lunch. Did you see what they said about that Russian plane crash? Wow, it's nice out today.


                      Logic??
                      For Cujo, there are 95 year olds who smoked all their lives.....does that mean smoking is not bad for you?

                      There are many variables that play into this. It is, however, a fact that head balls exert force on the head and, perhaps more at issue, the neck. Whether one or multiple headers leads to an acute injury or chronic problem is not clear. What is clear, is the force that it exerts. There is a well known gap between a process or mechanism and an outcome.
                      The lungs of smokers are abnormal, but it does not mean they can't run a marathon.

                      Recent data for the young (age 9-14) shows that the brain is undergoing very important cognitive and motor changes. Disrupting these processes appears to have long term affects to the point that youth football is considering banning tackling until the high school age.

                      I would not minimize the potential short and long term affect of head balls especially from long balls. I would rather see the players trap and control such a ball. `

                      As for the second poster, re-read your post. You are having flight of ideas....perhaps it is too late for you.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Been involved with the game for 40+ years as player, 20+ as coach and 10+ as a ref. I have seen a fair amount of concussions but never from heading the ball. Maybe I have been lucky...

                        - Cujo






                        Logic??
                        For Cujo, there are 95 year olds who smoked all their lives.....does that mean smoking is not bad for you?

                        There are many variables that play into this. It is, however, a fact that head balls exert force on the head and, perhaps more at issue, the neck. Whether one or multiple headers leads to an acute injury or chronic problem is not clear. What is clear, is the force that it exerts. There is a well known gap between a process or mechanism and an outcome.
                        The lungs of smokers are abnormal, but it does not mean they can't run a marathon.

                        Recent data for the young (age 9-14) shows that the brain is undergoing very important cognitive and motor changes. Disrupting these processes appears to have long term affects to the point that youth football is considering banning tackling until the high school age.

                        I would not minimize the potential short and long term affect of head balls especially from long balls. I would rather see the players trap and control such a ball. `

                        As for the second poster, re-read your post. You are having flight of ideas....perhaps it is too late for you.

                        It was a joke. Trying to lighten it up a bit.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Simple solution is for goal keepers to play smart, like they're supposed to, and play the ball on the ground to a defender, so they can start an attack out of the back. No need to be punting it or blasting goal kick praying one of their mid-fielders or forwards will win the 50/50 ball, anyway. It's likely that balls coming from most other plays on the field won't result in a dangerous amount of force and would be safe enough to head.
                          Punting is the easy way out for a GK who hasn't been well trained. It's especially popular in HS soccer where the fans are easily impressed if the ball crosses the 50 yard line. They oh and ah like it's 4th of July fireworks.

                          In all seriousness though, it is an important thing to examine more closely - these are young brains we're talking about that aren't fully developed until their early twenties.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            100% agree. I played soccer for many years and was a fairly aggressive soccer player and I had no adverse effects. I am having ham and cheese for lunch. Did you see what they said about that Russian plane crash? Wow, it's nice out today.
                            How old are you?

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              More research is needed.

                              My own experiencing coaching and suffering a concussion myself, has been contact not involving heading the ball. Most have been ground contact after body collisions, a couple of times a driven ball from close range inadvertently hit the head.

                              With respect you the article highlighting the force from heading goal kicks, I do believe there is way to much unnecessary defensive heading when players could trap and even control the ball. I coach that, but many others don't it seems. I think that would help.
                              Heading a goal kick is exactly how my kid got a concussion severe enough that vision went black for a moment.

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