Forfeits in Super Y

I was lurking in the NC Soccer Forum and came across a thread that was talking about Super Y teams not showing up for scheduled games.

http://www.nc-soccer.net/forum/viewthread.php?tid=16263

I have been contemplating letting my kid do Super Y next summer but after reading this I have my doubts. Is this problem localized or widespread?

This seems to be down South. Just got back from a Super Y game and is always run very professional with good fields and great ref's. Also there is a $ 500.00 fine for a forfeit so teams do what ever they have to do not to forfeit.

I was lurking in the NC Soccer Forum and came across a thread that was talking about Super Y teams not showing up for scheduled games.

http://www.nc-soccer.net/forum/viewthread.php?tid=16263

I have been contemplating letting my kid do Super Y next summer but after reading this I have my doubts. Is this problem localized or widespread?


Right.

This is just another phony post designed to trash superY.

If you’re randomly reading a NC forum and happen to see a post about a forfeit, and that becomes the reason you change your mind about playing next summer, I’d say you’re pretty shallow, and the league will be better off without you.

But of course, you are really just trying to be clever.

Why does the superY league frighten some clubs to the point they post this kind of krap?

Super Y is growing but it is taking awhile in the South. It will get better but there are still many issues and some forfeits. The competition in the South is lacking but more teams come in every year.

[beentheredonethat]

All you guests .. posting anonymously and trash talking now that's really a way to have a constructive discussion. Just for your information a number of my kid's teammates played last summer. The feedback that I got from their parents was not very positive. They said the competition they played against was very spotty and the team they played on was not very well organized. Most did not recommend the experience. When I read this it also raised some very real questions in my mind. Keep your rose colored glasses on.

I was lurking in the NC Soccer Forum and came across a thread that was talking about Super Y teams not showing up for scheduled games.

http://www.nc-soccer.net/forum/viewthread.php?tid=16263

I have been contemplating letting my kid do Super Y next summer but after reading this I have my doubts. Is this problem localized or widespread?

Have you tried District Select? It's local, it's cheap, the kids have fun and the quality of play gets better every year. It's probably equivilant to Div 2. It could become MA's best kept secret.

All you guests .. posting anonymously and trash talking now that's really a way to have a constructive discussion. Just for your information a number of my kid's teammates played last summer. The feedback that I got from their parents was not very positive. They said the competition they played against was very spotty and the team they played on was not very well organized. Most did not recommend the experience. When I read this it also raised some very real questions in my mind. Keep your rose colored glasses on.

Funny, you should say that. Just for your information a number of my kid's teammates also played last summer. The feedback that I got from their parents was very positive.

They all recommended the program and a few more of her teammates left to join this year. It isn't an option for us because we do not have the time in the summer, but its a great option for those who can handle the summer schedule.

When I read these posts, I also wonder, why so many spend so much time trying to convince others that MPS is a bad program. If the people in the program like it, why do you care so much?

What gives you the moral authority to judge what others believe is wrong and what drives you to say so much about a club that you are not a part of? Why should anyone listen to your opinion over people who have direct experince with the program?

[FXWLD 24/7]

How do you play Super Y just for the summer?

All you guests .. posting anonymously and trash talking now that's really a way to have a constructive discussion. Just for your information a number of my kid's teammates played last summer. The feedback that I got from their parents was not very positive. They said the competition they played against was very spotty and the team they played on was not very well organized. Most did not recommend the experience. When I read this it also raised some very real questions in my mind. Keep your rose colored glasses on.

Odd how this latest round of MPS trashing just got started right in the middle of heavy talk about the Stars and the Bolts. Beentheredonethat is with the Bolts :roll: , which explains a lot of his postings. Keeping the MPS bashing going helps the Bolts.

Because the majority of the Super Y schedule is in the summer.

Because the majority of the Super Y schedule is in the summer.

When many families are on vacation! And people are surprised that the quality and participation may sometimes be lacking?

[beentheredonethat]

Odd how this latest round of MPS trashing just got started right in the middle of heavy talk about the Stars and the Bolts. Beentheredonethat is with the Bolts , which explains a lot of his postings. Keeping the MPS bashing going helps the Bolts.

Explains what? For your information there are other Super Y teams in the area. For the record the ONLY issue I have with MPS is I think making money is their primary emphasis and I find it silly how some of their parents pretend it is not. MPS trains their kids well and seem to do right by them. At the end of the day that is all that really matters. That said I get tired of all the paranoid chest pounding by the parents. The one parent who wanted to frame my post as a bash on MPS was wrong. I was not referring to them.

As far as my association with the Bolts. You are correct. We have been with several other clubs and while they are by no means perfect they have trained my kids extremely well and treated them more than fairly.

Because the majority of the Super Y schedule is in the summer.

When many families are on vacation! And people are surprised that the quality and participation may sometimes be lacking?

Larger rosters address the issue.

One of the advantages of playing Super Y is the schedule doesn't start to late April, so they don't have the issues MAPLE clubs (or MASC) of trying to find playable fields in the early spring or having to cram the season into a few weeks.

Odd how this latest round of MPS trashing just got started right in the middle of heavy talk about the Stars and the Bolts. Beentheredonethat is with the Bolts , which explains a lot of his postings. Keeping the MPS bashing going helps the Bolts.

Explains what? For your information there are other Super Y teams in the area. For the record the ONLY issue I have with MPS is I think making money is their primary emphasis and I find it silly how some of their parents pretend it is not. MPS trains their kids well and seem to do right by them. At the end of the day that is all that really matters. That said I get tired of all the paranoid chest pounding by the parents. The one parent who wanted to frame my post as a bash on MPS was wrong. I was not referring to them.

As far as my association with the Bolts. You are correct. We have been with several other clubs and while they are by no means perfect they have trained my kids extremely well and treated them more than fairly.

How do your fees at the Bolts compare to MPS? Can you break in down in terms of actual training time?

[beentheredonethat]

The fee at the Bolts are extremely high and from what I have been told the fees at MPS are even higher. Both clubs train at expensive facilities in the winter. Both teams pay top level coaches. The SOE is a major difference between the two clubs as is the oerall number of teams/players involved in the club. When you combine the Renegades, Crusaders and SOE together I think MPS is probably the largest club in the state at this point.

You're avoiding answering the question. What are your per training session costs? Don't you have to pay extra for GK training? Do the Bolts include a week of camp in their fees? If you are going to make a statement about the costs to play at MPS, then you have to be willing to provide the costs of the Bolts for comparison.

This seems to be down South. Just got back from a Super Y game and is always run very professional with good fields and great ref's. Also there is a $ 500.00 fine for a forfeit so teams do what ever they have to do not to forfeit.
Not too long ago there was a team that traveled to Canada to play only 9 players on the other team, with only one ref. Here we are trying to make super Y a great league, when it is not. There's about 2-3 ok teams in each division. The traveling and time put into this is not close to the competition that a team should get. Go ahead MPS crew, throw darts and forks at me for speaking out what i see out there. I am waiting!

This seems to be down South. Just got back from a Super Y game and is always run very professional with good fields and great ref's. Also there is a $ 500.00 fine for a forfeit so teams do what ever they have to do not to forfeit.
Not too long ago there was a team that traveled to Canada to play only 9 players on the other team, with only one ref. Here we are trying to make super Y a great league, when it is not. There's about 2-3 ok teams in each division. The traveling and time put into this is not close to the competition that a team should get. Go ahead MPS crew, throw darts and forks at me for speaking out what i see out there. I am waiting!

.......from what I have been told the fees at MPS are even higher

Have you had a child particpate in the Super Y and know this first hand? Or like BTDT, someone else told you.

As a Blackwatch RI parent and have no MPS bias you are wrong in you analysis.

Because the majority of the Super Y schedule is in the summer.

When many families are on vacation! And people are surprised that the quality and participation may sometimes be lacking?

Larger rosters address the issue.

One of the advantages of playing Super Y is the schedule doesn't start to late April, so they don't have the issues MAPLE clubs (or MASC) of trying to find playable fields in the early spring or having to cram the season into a few weeks.
How do you achieve consistency and greatness (top 1% :D ), when players are allowed to miss "games"- the key ingredient to apply and measure the acquired knowledge of working hard + practices? while some clubs are strict with players playing the full schedule with only 18 or less in their roster, and here's a safe heaven for slackers: since we have 24 in the roster, it's ok to half of the roster miss games whenever they please. That's why we see teams doing well in some games and then getting killed in others? Again, it is ok, MPS cares fir$t about development...what a Joke!

This seems to be down South. Just got back from a Super Y game and is always run very professional with good fields and great ref's. Also there is a $ 500.00 fine for a forfeit so teams do what ever they have to do not to forfeit.
Not too long ago there was a team that traveled to Canada to play only 9 players on the other team, with only one ref. Here we are trying to make super Y a great league, when it is not. There's about 2-3 ok teams in each division. The traveling and time put into this is not close to the competition that a team should get. Go ahead MPS crew, throw darts and forks at me for speaking out what i see out there. I am waiting!

.......from what I have been told the fees at MPS are even higher
I was inside of super Y!

Have you had a child particpate in the Super Y and know this first hand? Or like BTDT, someone else told you.

As a Blackwatch RI parent and have no MPS bias you are wrong in you analysis.
Not analysis - fact! I was there!

How do you achieve consistency and greatness (top 1% :D ), when players are allowed to miss "games"- the key ingredient to apply and measure the acquired knowledge of working hard + practices? while some clubs are strict with players playing the full schedule with only 18 or less in their roster, and here's a safe heaven for slackers: since we have 24 in the roster, it's ok to half of the roster miss games whenever they please. That's why we see teams doing well in some games and then getting killed in others? Again, it is ok, MPS cares fir$t about development...what a Joke!

What a fine spokesman for the anti-MPS crowd. I'm sure your club is very happy to have you. Your depth of soccer knowledge is amazing.

Not too long ago there was a team that traveled to Canada ...........!

How long ago?

My son played Super Y for two seasons. Some fields were beautiful some not. We had games no refs showed (not always the refs fault). We played teams with beyond full rosters and some we barely had enough. I don't buy the argument that it is summer and what do you expect. Commitment is commitment. I have a younger son and he will not do it. The cons outweighed the pros for him. For every topic there is a positive and a negative that makes a forum. It continures to bug however me that users don't sign in. Very difficult to follow the flow of conversation. You don't know if guest is guest or a new guest or the same guest but not this guest. and so on and so on....

How do you achieve consistency and greatness (top 1% :D ), when players are allowed to miss "games"- the key ingredient to apply and measure the acquired knowledge of working hard + practices? while some clubs are strict with players playing the full schedule with only 18 or less in their roster, and here's a safe heaven for slackers: since we have 24 in the roster, it's ok to half of the roster miss games whenever they please. That's why we see teams doing well in some games and then getting killed in others? Again, it is ok, MPS cares fir$t about development...what a Joke!

I'm not even sure what you just said, never mind the point your trying to make.

didn't the Bolts forfeit a few of their sub regional games?

How do you achieve consistency and greatness (top 1% :D ), when players are allowed to miss "games"- the key ingredient to apply and measure the acquired knowledge of working hard + practices? while some clubs are strict with players playing the full schedule with only 18 or less in their roster, and here's a safe heaven for slackers: since we have 24 in the roster, it's ok to half of the roster miss games whenever they please. That's why we see teams doing well in some games and then getting killed in others? Again, it is ok, MPS cares fir$t about development...what a Joke!

I'm not even sure what you just said, never mind the point your trying to make.
I stated some facts...against these there's no argument. If you don't get it, it wasn't intended for you.

You're avoiding answering the question. What are your per training session costs? Don't you have to pay extra for GK training? Do the Bolts include a week of camp in their fees? If you are going to make a statement about the costs to play at MPS, then you have to be willing to provide the costs of the Bolts for comparison.

I have noticed a trend in responses on the last few threads from forum members that generally support the Bolts community:

If you state an opinion, they bully your comment into submission
If you state a fact, they either spin it into a new topic or disappear

How do you achieve consistency and greatness (top 1% :D ), when players are allowed to miss "games"- the key ingredient to apply and measure the acquired knowledge of working hard + practices? while some clubs are strict with players playing the full schedule with only 18 or less in their roster, and here's a safe heaven for slackers: since we have 24 in the roster, it's ok to half of the roster miss games whenever they please. That's why we see teams doing well in some games and then getting killed in others? Again, it is ok, MPS cares fir$t about development...what a Joke!

What a fine spokesman for the anti-MPS crowd. I'm sure your club is very happy to have you. Your depth of soccer knowledge is amazing.
Thanks. I was expecting being named as anti- MPS. My knowledge of soccer is enough to move my kid to from that nonsense to a real soccer team.

[MASoccer]

My son played Super Y for two seasons. Some fields were beautiful some not. We had games no refs showed (not always the refs fault). We played teams with beyond full rosters and some we barely had enough. I don't buy the argument that it is summer and what do you expect. Commitment is commitment. I have a younger son and he will not do it. The cons outweighed the pros for him. For every topic there is a positive and a negative that makes a forum. It continures to bug however me that users don't sign in. Very difficult to follow the flow of conversation. You don't know if guest is guest or a new guest or the same guest but not this guest. and so on and so on....

Exactly, and your logged in as who???

I'm not even sure what you just said, never mind the point your trying to make.
I stated some facts...against these there's no argument. If you don't get it, it wasn't intended for you.

it shouldn't be a surprise that insider doesn't know what the word fact means. So now MPS fills their teams with slackers and no shows. I really hope you're not a coach

I am not sure what you mean. I logged in as Defender1. Did I miss the point?

I am not sure what you mean. I logged in as Defender1. Did I miss the point?

So is this Defender1 or Defender1

Or I'm I Defender1


You see, unless you sign up for a real name, anyone can post using Defender1 as a name

Insider, weren't you providing "inside information" on the Stars U16 a day or two ago?

I'm not even sure what you just said, never mind the point your trying to make.
I stated some facts...against these there's no argument. If you don't get it, it wasn't intended for you.

it shouldn't be a surprise that insider doesn't know what the word fact means. So now MPS fills their teams with slackers and no shows. I really hope you're not a coach
You are getting there! But don't get only few words to make an argument, since you deeply know that you have no way to come back against those facts!
Facts:
-most of their teams have 20+ players in their roster!
-less than that #, there is not enough $$ to pay their staff!
-Players miss games a lot times during the summer because they know they can. Tthere is always some other players waiting in line that are not playing regularly to fill in! If this doesn't make it a perfect home for slackers and no shows, then...

Lastly:I am not a coach. But if I was, none of these things that I said would make me a less coach. Instead, if you have a kid you should seek the club I am coaching for.
To give you a little clue: Manchester united plays over 70 games per year, and they have a roster of 24. Do the math, and tell me if the developement of the players and teams that MPS is preaching out there is really happening? Perhaps you believe that playing games is not part of development. "There is no better coach than the game itself!" Another fact that some of MPS defenders are avoiding!

Insider, weren't you providing "inside information" on the Stars U16 a day or two ago?
I was providing facts, again!

To give you a little clue: Manchester united plays over 70 games per year, and they have a roster of 24. Do the math, and tell me if the developement of the players and teams that MPS is preaching out there is really happening? Perhaps you believe that playing games is not part of development. "There is no better coach than the game itself!" Another fact that some of MPS defenders are avoiding!

Professional youth teams in England can sign up to 30 players and only play 30 games per year. This is monitored by the English FA. The new USSF development academy will require a minimum of 22 players for 30-38 game schedule and clubs may have more than 22 players based on their individual judgment. Sounds like MPS to me.

To give you a little clue: Manchester united plays over 70 games per year, and they have a roster of 24. Do the math, and tell me if the developement of the players and teams that MPS is preaching out there is really happening? Perhaps you believe that playing games is not part of development. "There is no better coach than the game itself!" Another fact that some of MPS defenders are avoiding!

Professional youth teams in England can sign up to 30 players and only play 30 games per year. This is monitored by the English FA. The new USSF development academy will require a minimum of 22 players for 30-38 game schedule and clubs may have more than 22 players based on their individual judgment. Sounds like MPS to me.
Don't forget that professional youth teams in England recruit world wide to have a roster of 30 players. They simply continue the improvement of already great developed players. Similarly to the new USSF academy(for select great club players with history). Please don't compare these players to those that need to know basic technical/tactical aspects of the game like MPS players. Huge difference here: MPS players need to learn how to play the game, professional youth players know how to play the game-these need guidanceand direction to turn them into adult professionals.

^^^^

I'm not even sure what you just said, never mind the point your trying to make.
I stated some facts...against these there's no argument. If you don't get it, it wasn't intended for you.

it shouldn't be a surprise that insider doesn't know what the word fact means. So now MPS fills their teams with slackers and no shows. I really hope you're not a coach
You are getting there! But don't get only few words to make an argument, since you deeply know that you have no way to come back against those facts!
Facts:
-most of their teams have 20+ players in their roster!
-less than that #, there is not enough $$ to pay their staff!
-Players miss games a lot times during the summer because they know they can. Tthere is always some other players waiting in line that are not playing regularly to fill in! If this doesn't make it a perfect home for slackers and no shows, then...

Lastly:I am not a coach. But if I was, none of these things that I said would make me a less coach. Instead, if you have a kid you should seek the club I am coaching for.
To give you a little clue: Manchester united plays over 70 games per year, and they have a roster of 24. Do the math, and tell me if the developement of the players and teams that MPS is preaching out there is really happening? Perhaps you believe that playing games is not part of development. "There is no better coach than the game itself!" Another fact that some of MPS defenders are avoiding!


So lets look at your "facts"

The league supports a Club based pass card system and larger roster size. Given the long schedule, the number of games and training sessions, injuries and proper recovery time, and some occasional family time or vacation time, those rules make a lot of sense. Your view is that it supports slackers and “no showsâ€￾ is conjecture, and not a fact. If you really don't understand Club cards and the hows/whys of larger rosters, perhaps FSM would provide you with some pointers to some basic reading material.
[/*:m:3n2ngra5]
You state as fact, that MPS needs 20+ players on each roster in order to pay their coaches, is again conjecture and not a fact. If you have proof, then show it.
[/*:m:3n2ngra5]
Your other statements are just too foolish.

“Players miss games a lot times during the summer because they know they canâ€￾.
“Tthere is always some other players waiting in line that are not playing regularly to fill in!â€￾

[/*:m:3n2ngra5]
Your statement “if this doesn't make it a perfect home for slackers and no shows, then...â€￾, says you would be a very bad coach.
[/*:m:3n2ngra5]

[beentheredonethat]

You're avoiding answering the question. What are your per training session costs? Don't you have to pay extra for GK training? Do the Bolts include a week of camp in their fees? If you are going to make a statement about the costs to play at MPS, then you have to be willing to provide the costs of the Bolts for comparison.

Sorry was out watching soccer games and then had to take a kid to a camp. To answer your question. From memory, last year the fee for the Bolts was $1500. We spent $600 for keeper training. Kerr Camp costs $295, although my oldest does not go to it. I was told that the costs for MPS were at least that amount.

Because the majority of the Super Y schedule is in the summer.

When many families are on vacation! And people are surprised that the quality and participation may sometimes be lacking?

Maybe this is a compelling reason for rostering more than the typical 18. MPS is bashed about this (and its a league option to do it or not) and maybe it makes sense.

The fee at the Bolts are extremely high and from what I have been told the fees at MPS are even higher. Both clubs train at expensive facilities in the winter. Both teams pay top level coaches.

Make no mistake, this is NOT the case. I was told by a U13 Boys Bolts Dad that his fees (not extras like travel) are close to 5K and I made certain I heard him right as I asked him many times.

I also disagree about training at expensive facilities. Indoor training is expensive no matter where you go or what state the facility is in. Owners have that luxury at this point.

Thanks. I was expecting being named as anti- MPS. My knowledge of soccer is enough to move my kid to from that nonsense to a real soccer team.

Good luck with that...glad you're gone!!

You're avoiding answering the question. What are your per training session costs? Don't you have to pay extra for GK training? Do the Bolts include a week of camp in their fees? If you are going to make a statement about the costs to play at MPS, then you have to be willing to provide the costs of the Bolts for comparison.

Sorry was out watching soccer games and then had to take a kid to a camp. To answer your question. From memory, last year the fee for the Bolts was $1500. We spent $600 for keeper training. Kerr Camp costs $295, although my oldest does not go to it. I was told that the costs for MPS were at least that amount.

Tryouts are over and you must have the 2007-08 fees. What are they?

[keeper]

You're avoiding answering the question. What are your per training session costs? Don't you have to pay extra for GK training? Do the Bolts include a week of camp in their fees? If you are going to make a statement about the costs to play at MPS, then you have to be willing to provide the costs of the Bolts for comparison.

Sorry was out watching soccer games and then had to take a kid to a camp. To answer your question. From memory, last year the fee for the Bolts was $1500. We spent $600 for keeper training. Kerr Camp costs $295, although my oldest does not go to it. I was told that the costs for MPS were at least that amount.

Tryouts are over and you must have the 2007-08 fees. What are they?

Why don't the Bolts, or for that matter, all Clubs post their fees on their WEB sites?





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You're avoiding answering the question. What are your per training session costs? Don't you have to pay extra for GK training? Do the Bolts include a week of camp in their fees? If you are going to make a statement about the costs to play at MPS, then you have to be willing to provide the costs of the Bolts for comparison.

Sorry was out watching soccer games and then had to take a kid to a camp. To answer your question. From memory, last year the fee for the Bolts was $1500. We spent $600 for keeper training. Kerr Camp costs $295, although my oldest does not go to it. I was told that the costs for MPS were at least that amount.

Tryouts are over and you must have the 2007-08 fees. What are they?

Bolts fee is $1900 for the year including a kit. No tournaments included but does include indoor training.

Is this for fall and spring U14 and under or just the Spring U15-U19?

$1900 + $600= $2500 - BTDT's fee for the upcoming year. How does this compare to MPS?

[MASC]

Why don't the Bolts, or for that matter, all Clubs post their fees on their WEB sites?

If you need to ask then you can't afford it. :D

Actually, most clubs are marginal businesses. They typically have a business model that requires 15 players to make a team viable. This usually allows for up to 3 scholarships. Such is a break even model.

$1900 + $600= $2500 - BTDT's fee for the upcoming year. How does this compare to MPS?

How much do the Stars and Scorpions charge?

$1900 + $600= $2500 - BTDT's fee for the upcoming year. How does this compare to MPS?

How much do the Stars and Scorpions charge?

About $100 less but MPS includes free GK training plus 2 week long residential camps not too mention the likelihood of more weekly sessions unless they do 3 already.

$1900 + $600= $2500 - BTDT's fee for the upcoming year. How does this compare to MPS?

How much do the Stars and Scorpions charge?

About $100 less but MPS includes free GK training plus 2 week long residential camps not too mention the likelihood of more weekly sessions unless they do 3 already.

Oh...since 'kits' were mentioned. MPS gets a full set of home and away (for fall and then spring) plus full training kit and a full sweat package (top and pants) and a bag each year.

[beentheredonethat]

Make no mistake, this is NOT the case. I was told by a U13 Boys Bolts Dad that his fees (not extras like travel) are close to 5K and I made certain I heard him right as I asked him many times.

I also disagree about training at expensive facilities. Indoor training is expensive no matter where you go or what state the facility is in. Owners have that luxury at this point.

The only way someone was paying 5k would be if you included the travel. Some of the Bolts teams did extensive travel to tournaments. My daughter's teams did not. My eldest daughter's team played in Virgina. We drove and the hotels we stayed at were reasonable.

Of the three clubs that my daughter has played for, one did all their indoor training in gyms on basketball courts, another trained at the old Dana Barros facility on turf and the Bolts trained at Harvard on the football field once it was bubbled. I have seen MPS at forekicks. A gym will run you about $40 an hour, Dana Barros was $75 an hour and Forekicks wants $150. I have no idea what Harvard cost the Bolts, but I don't imagine it is cheap.

Another issue that everyone fails to realize is the cost of the coaching talent. I don't know what MPS pays their coaches but I can't imagine that they nickle and dime them. Alot of the bolts coaches coach full time for a living so you would have to assume they are probably paid fairly well.

stars is 1900 w/o kit, this is good for 2 tnys per yr

SC is 1000 per year and includes a week long camp

Seem like Stars and Bolts are a lot higher than I thought. Most other clubs are quite a bit lower but maybe you get what you pay for.

CRU posts their fees on the website. www.crusoccer.com (http://www.crusoccer.com)

Sir Alex

SC is 1000 per year and includes a week long camp

Scorpions have their fees and what it pays for on their website. It's not updated for 07-08 yet, but you can get the picture. The fee for 07-08 is $1175. This is the link: http://www.southcoastscorpions.com/club/page/22818

Why are the fees the same for the U11's and the U16's who don't play in the fall?

Why are the fees the same regardless of age group (no fall season for the older teams)?

To give you a little clue: Manchester united plays over 70 games per year, and they have a roster of 24. Do the math, and tell me if the developement of the players and teams that MPS is preaching out there is really happening? Perhaps you believe that playing games is not part of development. "There is no better coach than the game itself!" Another fact that some of MPS defenders are avoiding!

Professional youth teams in England can sign up to 30 players and only play 30 games per year. This is monitored by the English FA. The new USSF development academy will require a minimum of 22 players for 30-38 game schedule and clubs may have more than 22 players based on their individual judgment. Sounds like MPS to me.
Don't forget that professional youth teams in England recruit world wide to have a roster of 30 players. They simply continue the improvement of already great developed players. Similarly to the new USSF academy(for select great club players with history). Please don't compare these players to those that need to know basic technical/tactical aspects of the game like MPS players. Huge difference here: MPS players need to learn how to play the game, professional youth players know how to play the game-these need guidanceand direction to turn them into adult professionals.

They also will cut kids the instant they don't think they are good enough, no matter how young old, and no matter how long they have been with the club. What would all you so-called "developists" think of this?

[beentheredonethat]

Sir Alex .. Wow it appears that CRU has not increased its fees in 3 years, Is this accurate?

To give you a little clue: Manchester united plays over 70 games per year, and they have a roster of 24. Do the math, and tell me if the developement of the players and teams that MPS is preaching out there is really happening? Perhaps you believe that playing games is not part of development. "There is no better coach than the game itself!" Another fact that some of MPS defenders are avoiding!

Professional youth teams in England can sign up to 30 players and only play 30 games per year. This is monitored by the English FA. The new USSF development academy will require a minimum of 22 players for 30-38 game schedule and clubs may have more than 22 players based on their individual judgment. Sounds like MPS to me.
Don't forget that professional youth teams in England recruit world wide to have a roster of 30 players. They simply continue the improvement of already great developed players. Similarly to the new USSF academy(for select great club players with history). Please don't compare these players to those that need to know basic technical/tactical aspects of the game like MPS players. Huge difference here: MPS players need to learn how to play the game, professional youth players know how to play the game-these need guidanceand direction to turn them into adult professionals.

They also will cut kids the instant they don't think they are good enough, no matter how young old, and no matter how long they have been with the club. What would all you so-called "developists" think of this?

Guest, who are you referring to (cut kids instantly)? MPS or England? And who exactly is "developing" (maybe we should start using the term "training" since it appears that "develop" seems to be offensive and some other coach or club would be given credit) these players to begin with? Were they born with cleats and shin pads or did they just fall out of the sky?

To give you a little clue: Manchester united plays over 70 games per year, and they have a roster of 24. Do the math, and tell me if the developement of the players and teams that MPS is preaching out there is really happening? Perhaps you believe that playing games is not part of development. "There is no better coach than the game itself!" Another fact that some of MPS defenders are avoiding!

Professional youth teams in England can sign up to 30 players and only play 30 games per year. This is monitored by the English FA. The new USSF development academy will require a minimum of 22 players for 30-38 game schedule and clubs may have more than 22 players based on their individual judgment. Sounds like MPS to me.
Don't forget that professional youth teams in England recruit world wide to have a roster of 30 players. They simply continue the improvement of already great developed players. Similarly to the new USSF academy(for select great club players with history). Please don't compare these players to those that need to know basic technical/tactical aspects of the game like MPS players. Huge difference here: MPS players need to learn how to play the game, professional youth players know how to play the game-these need guidanceand direction to turn them into adult professionals.

They also will cut kids the instant they don't think they are good enough, no matter how young old, and no matter how long they have been with the club. What would all you so-called "developists" think of this?

Guest, who are you referring to (cut kids instantly)? MPS or England? And who exactly is "developing" (maybe we should start using the term "training" since it appears that "develop" seems to be offensive and some other coach or club would be given credit) these players to begin with? Were they born with cleats and shin pads or did they just fall out of the sky?

Professional youth teams in England.

Why are the fees the same regardless of age group (no fall season for the older teams)?

Many clubs include an additional tournament(s) to offset not playing in the fall. These tend to be equal or more than the fee to play MAPLE for a season.

MPS fees

$1475. spring season fees
- includes 2-3/1.5 hour team training sessions per week, plus 1/1 hour GK session, based on game schedule average (80 hours of training per season based on 4 hours of practice time). 20 week season begins last week of March ends first week of August w/approx. 39 games being played, includes tournaments, scrimmages & state cup. (additional 58.5 hours of coaching time)
(about $11.00 paid per hour)

$250. tournament fees
- spring season/$ varies based on age bracket, # of tournaments

$550. winter training
- 10 weeks 2/1.5 hour training sessions, plus 1/1 hour GK session
($13.75 per hour)

$325. spring camp (1 week)
-attendance strongly encouraged, but not required

These fees also includes 2 complete kits for winter training and a new kit for the spring. Winter kit, duffel bag, 2 pairs black shorts, 2 pairs black socks, 3 training tops, full warm-up suit. Spring kit includes, 2 game shirts, 2 white pair shorts and 2 white pair socks. Bag is carried over from winter, although each player also recently received a shoulder bag.

This does not include travel expenses other than the tournament fees listed above.

The older (high school age players) do not have a fall season, although some coaches do carry some brief practices on the weekend (no additional fees for this), just to keep in touch with their players.

Total weeks of soccer - 30
Total fees for 06-07 - $2600.00
Look on my players face hanging w/soccer friends @ hotel - priceless

MPS fees

$1475. spring season fees
- includes 2-3/1.5 hour team training sessions per week, plus 1/1 hour GK session, based on game schedule average (80 hours of training per season based on 4 hours of practice time). 20 week season begins last week of March ends first week of August w/approx. 39 games being played, includes tournaments, scrimmages & state cup. (additional 58.5 hours of coaching time)
(about $11.00 paid per hour)

$250. tournament fees
- spring season/$ varies based on age bracket, # of tournaments

$550. winter training
- 10 weeks 2/1.5 hour training sessions, plus 1/1 hour GK session
($13.75 per hour)

$325. spring camp (1 week)
-attendance strongly encouraged, but not required

These fees also includes 2 complete kits for winter training and a new kit for the spring. Winter kit, duffel bag, 2 pairs black shorts, 2 pairs black socks, 3 training tops, full warm-up suit. Spring kit includes, 2 game shirts, 2 white pair shorts and 2 white pair socks. Bag is carried over from winter, although each player also recently received a shoulder bag.

This does not include travel expenses other than the tournament fees listed above.

The older (high school age players) do not have a fall season, although some coaches do carry some brief practices on the weekend (no additional fees for this), just to keep in touch with their players.

Total weeks of soccer - 30
Total fees for 06-07 - $2600.00
Look on my players face hanging w/soccer friends @ hotel - priceless

MPS Person here...looks close except I think it more weeks of soccer. Take 4 to 5 off thru the holidays and thats about it...maybe 1 or 2 in Feb

They also will cut kids the instant they don't think they are good enough, no matter how young old, and no matter how long they have been with the club. What would all you so-called "developists" think of this?

Completely and utterly false. In fact I wish they did do this more often to be honest.

Are you saying I have too many weeks listed or not enough?

We started winter training right before Christmas (can't recall the exact date), but took the Christmas week off and ended the third week of March. So I did quite possibly miss a week or two, bringing it up to 32 weeks, which would actually lower the cost per hour that I paid.

Are you saying I have too many weeks listed or not enough?

We started winter training right before Christmas (can't recall the exact date), but took the Christmas week off and ended the third week of March. So I did quite possibly miss a week or two, bringing it up to 32 weeks, which would actually lower the cost per hour that I paid.

I thought it was more....I recall a month break right around Thanksgiving then another week, maybe 2 in Feb.

We are in one of the age brackets that do not play a fall season. So it is possible if you are in a lower age bracket your season could be slightly different than ours.

[beentheredonethat]

How many tournaments does the $250 get you and are they local? Most clubs we have been with cover the tournaments but you have to pay for the coaches travel expenses. Usually the teams have a separate checking account that the team manager handles and pays these expenses out of . Usually adds another $200 per year if the team is traveling out of state. It seems like you can add that to the Bolts cost or deduct it from the MPS cost. Also what is the age group?

We are in a U16 age bracket. Our team did two local and three distant (out of New England) tournaments this year. The $250.00 covered the tournament fees and the coaches travel expenses for tournaments and the trip to Canada/Vermont for games.

Our team does have a separate account, not sure if all teams do, but that is used mostly for fund raising monies, of which a portion is set aside for each player and certain percentage is kept for the team. The team monies are used for team dinners and such, but not tournament fees.

[beentheredonethat]

Have you tried District Select? It's local, it's cheap, the kids have fun and the quality of play gets better every year. It's probably equivilant to Div 2. It could become MA's best kept secret.

Wanted to get back to this. This is dead on about District Select being the best kept secret. For the high school age kids who want to get in shape for the season and work on their game its a great situation. Two games on Sunday for 4 weeks with a weekend tournament the first week in August. It's just about playing soccer for the love of playing soccer. They don't even keep standings.

How many tournaments does the $250 get you and are they local? Most clubs we have been with cover the tournaments but you have to pay for the coaches travel expenses. Usually the teams have a separate checking account that the team manager handles and pays these expenses out of . Usually adds another $200 per year if the team is traveling out of state. It seems like you can add that to the Bolts cost or deduct it from the MPS cost. Also what is the age group?

We did 4 local and 2 that required travel and many overnights which included the coaches hotel.

To give you a little clue: Manchester united plays over 70 games per year, and they have a roster of 24. Do the math, and tell me if the developement of the players and teams that MPS is preaching out there is really happening? Perhaps you believe that playing games is not part of development. "There is no better coach than the game itself!" Another fact that some of MPS defenders are avoiding!

Professional youth teams in England can sign up to 30 players and only play 30 games per year. This is monitored by the English FA. The new USSF development academy will require a minimum of 22 players for 30-38 game schedule and clubs may have more than 22 players based on their individual judgment. Sounds like MPS to me.
Don't forget that professional youth teams in England recruit world wide to have a roster of 30 players. They simply continue the improvement of already great developed players. Similarly to the new USSF academy(for select great club players with history). Please don't compare these players to those that need to know basic technical/tactical aspects of the game like MPS players. Huge difference here: MPS players need to learn how to play the game, professional youth players know how to play the game-these need guidanceand direction to turn them into adult professionals.

They also will cut kids the instant they don't think they are good enough, no matter how young old, and no matter how long they have been with the club. What would all you so-called "developists" think of this?
The professional youth teams train players that have chance to make EPL and other top European leagues. Understand that they are getting great young soccer players around the world, and only a small percentage will make it into pro. Just an example: some european clubs were after Adu for this purpose. That's the caliber of players I am talking about. If they cut kids everyday it's normal, because they are searching for the best in the middle of a already well developed/trained/made group of young stars. These kids already played over thousand games in their lives by the time they get there. Where is your point about developists? Can you say that MPS kids already have that much soccer in their legs?

The professional youth teams train players that have chance to make EPL and other top European leagues. Understand that they are getting great young soccer players around the world, and only a small percentage will make it into pro. Just an example: some european clubs were after Adu for this purpose. That's the caliber of players I am talking about. If they cut kids everyday it's normal, because they are searching for the best in the middle of a already well developed/trained/made group of young stars. These kids already played over thousand games in their lives by the time they get there. Where is your point about developists? Can you say that MPS kids already have that much soccer in their legs?

So what's your point exactly? Are there many kids in any club of that caliber? A club's responsibility is to take the kids they've accepted into their program and make them better players. Some may end up like Freddy, but the reality is 99.9% of the kids will not and that even includes those kids that are playing in clubs like the Bolts and the Stars.

I have a question concerning the cost of other elite youth sports. I know hockey is very, very expensive. Can anyone provide hard figures for comparison? How about AAU basketball?

The professional youth teams train players that have chance to make EPL and other top European leagues. Understand that they are getting great young soccer players around the world, and only a small percentage will make it into pro. Just an example: some european clubs were after Adu for this purpose. That's the caliber of players I am talking about. If they cut kids everyday it's normal, because they are searching for the best in the middle of a already well developed/trained/made group of young stars. These kids already played over thousand games in their lives by the time they get there. Where is your point about developists? Can you say that MPS kids already have that much soccer in their legs?

So what's your point exactly? Are there many kids in any club of that caliber? A club's responsibility is to take the kids they've accepted into their program and make them better players. Some may end up like Freddy, but the reality is 99.9% of the kids will not and that even includes those kids that are playing in clubs like the Bolts and the Stars.
This started with someone comparing the roster size of MPS to these professional teams and with # of games they play. My point is:to develop soccer players, playing a lot matches is a must. It is nonsense comparing MPS to these pro clubs.

[beentheredonethat]

AAU varies but you can expect to pay about $600-700 for the spring season at a place like Mass Premier. If you play summer and fall ball it can run you roughly another $600-700.

[FSM]

To give you a little clue: Manchester united plays over 70 games per year, and they have a roster of 24. Do the math, and tell me if the developement of the players and teams that MPS is preaching out there is really happening? Perhaps you believe that playing games is not part of development. "There is no better coach than the game itself!" Another fact that some of MPS defenders are avoiding!

Professional youth teams in England can sign up to 30 players and only play 30 games per year. This is monitored by the English FA. The new USSF development academy will require a minimum of 22 players for 30-38 game schedule and clubs may have more than 22 players based on their individual judgment. Sounds like MPS to me.
Don't forget that professional youth teams in England recruit world wide to have a roster of 30 players. They simply continue the improvement of already great developed players. Similarly to the new USSF academy(for select great club players with history). Please don't compare these players to those that need to know basic technical/tactical aspects of the game like MPS players. Huge difference here: MPS players need to learn how to play the game, professional youth players know how to play the game-these need guidanceand direction to turn them into adult professionals.

They also will cut kids the instant they don't think they are good enough, no matter how young old, and no matter how long they have been with the club. What would all you so-called "developists" think of this?
The professional youth teams train players that have chance to make EPL and other top European leagues. Understand that they are getting great young soccer players around the world, and only a small percentage will make it into pro. Just an example: some european clubs were after Adu for this purpose. That's the caliber of players I am talking about. If they cut kids everyday it's normal, because they are searching for the best in the middle of a already well developed/trained/made group of young stars. These kids already played over thousand games in their lives by the time they get there. Where is your point about developists? Can you say that MPS kids already have that much soccer in their legs?

I'm a little confused here as to who said what, what they meant, and how it all fits into the discussion, but I've got the feeling that what some believe to be true isn't quite accurate. If you are going to make a comparison, I think it is important to get the facts right.

The Georgia Youth Soccer Association recently produced an article which examined the player development system in England. I've posted the link before: http://www.gasoccer.com/Files/672/docum ... NGLAND.pdf (http://www.gasoccer.com/Files/672/documents/THE%20YOUTH%20ACADEMIES%20IN%20ENGLAND.pdf) and I've posted some of the important points. Here they are once again to clear up any misconceptions. I don't think I have to point out that one of the most crucial differences between their system and ours is the fact that kids that enter the professional youth academies do not have to pay for their "development".

The academies start at U-9 and teams are formed in one year increments all the way through U-16 and then into a two year group of U-17/U-18 players. Players are signed for one year at a time until U-12, making it a one year commitment from both sides. At the end of each year, the club decides which players to retain and who to release. At the U-13 age group, clubs can sign players for either a two year period or a four year period. At U-17, the players who are good enough leave school to sign on a two year apprenticeship, where they start earning a living as full-time professionals. After the two year apprenticeship, at U-19, players are either signed on a normal professional contract or released. Anytime a player is released, his club helps him find another team at a lower level of the pro game.

Once a player signs for an academy, his playing time is monitored and recorded to make sure he gets sufficient playing time without exceeding the maximum number of games. The player’s annual schedule is closely supervised to maintain the optimum balance between development and recovery. Furthermore, when a player signs up with an Academy, he is guaranteed to play at least 24 games per year. This mandatory playing time is applicable to all the academy teams at all the academy ages.

[FSM]

BTW if you are looking for more reading on the subject of European professional youth academies pick up Coaching Youth Soccer: The European Model by Kevin McShane. McShane spent a year in Europe observing clubs such as FC Barcelona, Newcastle United, Glasgow Celtic, Munich 1860, and Slavia Prague. He also provides an overview of US youth soccer and includes commentary from the Europeans to improve our system, a lot of which seems to have been included in the philosophy of the USSF development academy.

This started with someone comparing the roster size of MPS to these professional teams and with # of games they play. My point is:to develop soccer players, playing a lot matches is a must. It is nonsense comparing MPS to these pro clubs.

No, it started and continues because "Insider" is trying very hard to start some MPS bashing.

First, he tried saying MPS used large rosters just to make money and that they needed 20+ players per team to make their payroll. He said MPS uses the larger rosters to kept "slackers" and "no shows" on their teams.

Now. it's MPS uses large rosters because they think they are just like professional youth teams in England.

Insider is just a troll.

MPS uses larger rosters because they play a long season, it's during the summer, vacations and family time become a big issues, and players get hurt and need time to heal. Larger rosters make sense, as do the club pass cards the league uses. By u16 players begin to have important "other" commitments, every thing from proms, SATs, Jobs and a lot more. There is no Pro Soccer path for girls, there is preparing for College Soccer and while still having some balance in life. The larger rosters help a lot.

Trolls like "insider" are just trying to throw mud everywhere to see if it will stick.

Those are the facts.

I have a question concerning the cost of other elite youth sports. I know hockey is very, very expensive. Can anyone provide hard figures for comparison? How about AAU basketball?

I think one of the questions to be considered is whether or not the sport and the level of commitment justifies the coaches getting paid.

In hockey, you are mostly paying for equipment and ice time.
I'm not sure at what level the coaches get paid.

Back to soccer, do we really have thousands of elite players in Mass. that justify the building of this industry?

[pitch420]

do we really have thousands of elite players in Mass. that justify the building of this industry?

Doesn't really matter does it?

I'm dating myself but I remember when people would pay money for a 'pet rock'

If someone is willing to pay for anything, it creates a market. No justification is needed.

[FSM]

I have a question concerning the cost of other elite youth sports. I know hockey is very, very expensive. Can anyone provide hard figures for comparison? How about AAU basketball?

I think one of the questions to be considered is whether or not the sport and the level of commitment justifies the coaches getting paid.

In hockey, you are mostly paying for equipment and ice time.
I'm not sure at what level the coaches get paid.

Back to soccer, do we really have thousands of elite players in Mass. that justify the building of this industry?

"If you build it, they will come." ;)

Certainly I have tried to use this forum to question the costs involved in playing soccer. We are defining "elite" by income level, not talent level; however, I do not like the thinking that only a select few should have access to good coaching. I maybe misinterpreting your highlighted comment, but that is how it comes across. Good coaching is the foundation of good soccer players, but even good coaches don't know who will or will not achieve their full potential when all is said and done. What kids get out of playing soccer should be counted in terms of learning positive lessons that can be taken into adulthood, like commitment, goal setting, teamwork, and so on. This is the real value which the majority should be paying and it begins with coaches who set the example for the kids with which they work. Should some go on to play at a higher level, that should be regarded as just frosting on the cake.

There was an interesting post recently in a NE Revolution forum that referenced the crazy parents willing to pay all kinds of money for youth soccer and whoever posted it said just read this forum. But it was the comments of another that made sense to me:

A professional organization that wishes to use children to achieve it's own agenda has an ethical obligation to be sure it IS worth it to the kids, and not just take advantage of some immature kid's or deluded parent's pipedream. Keep in mind that money spent helping a child learn to excel at something they enjoy is money well spent. Money spent to allow someone with their own agenda to use (and probably discard) your child doesn't exactly meet the same test.

[beentheredonethat]

FSM .. To your last post. If you are not hung up on your kid going to UNC this is still a priceless parenting tool. I ask you, what would you rather have an expensive soccer player or an EMO kid? As long as a kid is passionate about something (sports, the arts, school) from my perspective you are way ahead of the wide array of problems that you face when kids go through puberty into high school. If you got it spend it. You can't take it with you.

[FSM]

FSM .. To your last post. If you are not hung up on your kid going to UNC this is still a priceless parenting tool. I ask you, what would you rather have an expensive soccer player or an EMO kid? As long as a kid is passionate about something (sports, the arts, school) from my perspective you are way ahead of the wide array of problems that you face when kids go through puberty into high school. If you got it spend it. You can't take it with you.

Agreed. But whats an EMO?

[beentheredonethat]

An EMO kid is how the kids refer to the teens with "issues". Not to dissimilar from a Goth without all the eye shadow and black.

This started with someone comparing the roster size of MPS to these professional teams and with # of games they play. My point is:to develop soccer players, playing a lot matches is a must. It is nonsense comparing MPS to these pro clubs.

No, it started and continues because "Insider" is trying very hard to start some MPS bashing.

First, he tried saying MPS used large rosters just to make money and that they needed 20+ players per team to make their payroll. He said MPS uses the larger rosters to kept "slackers" and "no shows" on their teams.

Now. it's MPS uses large rosters because they think they are just like professional youth teams in England.

Insider is just a troll.

MPS uses larger rosters because they play a long season, it's during the summer, vacations and family time become a big issues, and players get hurt and need time to heal. Larger rosters make sense, as do the club pass cards the league uses. By u16 players begin to have important "other" commitments, every thing from proms, SATs, Jobs and a lot more. There is no Pro Soccer path for girls, there is preparing for College Soccer and while still having some balance in life. The larger rosters help a lot.

Trolls like "insider" are just trying to throw mud everywhere to see if it will stick.

Those are the facts.
I said it and I am going to repeat it:
1)MPS uses larger roster to profit from it, so their staff can get $$! The only time they don't do this is if they don't have enough # at try-outs (this started to happen in some age group)

2)MPS uses larger roster so they can field a team at anytime, regardless if players are developing or not. If everybody shows up for a game, there's about 1/3 of the roster that don't play a minute!

3)MPS provides a perfect environment for players that are cut-slackers-no-shows from other teams.

You can spit fire all you want...these are facts that some of us can see and also they are coming from most of the parents/players that are abandoning MPS right now. Cry more!

[justanovicecoach]

we are involved with the Blackhawks a small club on the south shore . Our fees are way less than $1000 dollars including uniforms. we play maple spring and fall, 5 tournaments 3 sessions of indoor play at the Bridgewater Dome in the offseason as well as a practice or two a week during the winter. Coaches aren't paid and they get no travel expenses. Not everyone needs to make $$$$$ off youth sports. More interested in seeing kids stay busy learning a great sport that will get them further in life either thru soccer or the discipline they need to play at a high level

I said it and I am going to repeat it:
1)MPS uses larger roster to profit from it, so their staff can get $$! The only time they don't do this is if they don't have enough # at try-outs (this started to happen in some age group)

2)MPS uses larger roster so they can field a team at anytime, regardless if players are developing or not. If everybody shows up for a game, there's about 1/3 of the roster that don't play a minute!

3)MPS provides a perfect environment for players that are cut-slackers-no-shows from other teams.

You can spit fire all you want...these are facts that some of us can see and also they are coming from most of the parents/players that are abandoning MPS right now. Cry more!

yawn

This started with someone comparing the roster size of MPS to these professional teams and with # of games they play. My point is:to develop soccer players, playing a lot matches is a must. It is nonsense comparing MPS to these pro clubs.

No, it started and continues because "Insider" is trying very hard to start some MPS bashing.

First, he tried saying MPS used large rosters just to make money and that they needed 20+ players per team to make their payroll. He said MPS uses the larger rosters to kept "slackers" and "no shows" on their teams.

Now. it's MPS uses large rosters because they think they are just like professional youth teams in England.

Insider is just a troll.

MPS uses larger rosters because they play a long season, it's during the summer, vacations and family time become a big issues, and players get hurt and need time to heal. Larger rosters make sense, as do the club pass cards the league uses. By u16 players begin to have important "other" commitments, every thing from proms, SATs, Jobs and a lot more. There is no Pro Soccer path for girls, there is preparing for College Soccer and while still having some balance in life. The larger rosters help a lot.

Trolls like "insider" are just trying to throw mud everywhere to see if it will stick.

Those are the facts.
I said it and I am going to repeat it:
1)MPS uses larger roster to profit from it, so their staff can get $$! The only time they don't do this is if they don't have enough # at try-outs (this started to happen in some age group)

2)MPS uses larger roster so they can field a team at anytime, regardless if players are developing or not. If everybody shows up for a game, there's about 1/3 of the roster that don't play a minute!

3)MPS provides a perfect environment for players that are cut-slackers-no-shows from other teams.

You can spit fire all you want...these are facts that some of us can see and also they are coming from most of the parents/players that are abandoning MPS right now. Cry more!

I'm crying. My poor slacker daughter! What have I done. She was having fun, developing great soccer skills, and on an MPS Renegades team that was doing very well. Little did I know that she was a cut-slacker-no-show (from which club, I don't know but I'm sure that you do since you seem to know everything about MPS) ... I'll let her know immediately. Thank you very much for the information.

Insider said it provides the perfect environment for slackers, and did not say all the players are slackers. He did not call your daughter a slacker, but you did.

Insider said it provides the perfect environment for slackers, and did not say all the players are slackers. He did not call your daughter a slacker, but you did.

Insider is insulting every player and parent on every MPS team. It's just big talk from a little troll.

I said it and I am going to repeat it:
1)MPS uses larger roster to profit from it, so their staff can get $$! The only time they don't do this is if they don't have enough # at try-outs (this started to happen in some age group)

2)MPS uses larger roster so they can field a team at anytime, regardless if players are developing or not. If everybody shows up for a game, there's about 1/3 of the roster that don't play a minute!

3)MPS provides a perfect environment for players that are cut-slackers-no-shows from other teams.

You can spit fire all you want...these are facts that some of us can see and also they are coming from most of the parents/players that are abandoning MPS right now. Cry more!

yawn


How does MPS get all those Slackers and No Shows to even bother to come to a tryout?

Do their parents just sign them up?

Please tell us more

Insider said it provides the perfect environment for slackers, and did not say all the players are slackers. He did not call your daughter a slacker, but you did.

Good point. My daughter plays with a bunch of slackers. I'll let her know. Thanks for correction.

By the way, which clubs (besides Stars/Scorps) would you suggest offer a competitive club environment that is more intense and consistent than MPS. I know that someone previously challenged that it wasn't a big deal that MPS girls had teams make the RR in each age group from U13 through U19 in the States since they hadn't won the whole thing in any of the groups. Do Bolts/Eagles/CRU/Hamlets/Puma etc. offer a more competitive environment? Based upon their track record as clubs at the State Tourny level, they are not even close. I'm sure they are good and competitive and that there are few slackers on their teams. I'm just surprised that they are never bashed but MPS is.

MPS is far from perfect but guys ... give it a break. Actually, don't ... your obsession is entertaining. I would like to know where it comes from.

I am also surprised that it is mentioned that so many people are leaving MPS. Based upon my experience (which unlike yours includes having a daugther playing there), I has seen very few kids leave unless they were asked to. In addition, besides the Stars/Scorps, many girls from those other clubs cited above have been coming to MPS.

It's really beyond me how an adult can go on this forum and call little kids (yes, I think 12 and 13 year olds are little kids) "slackers." Truly pathetic. Also pretty ironic pen name, you seem to have "Inside" knowledge on just about every aspect of soccer at every club. I bet you can't fathom that there are players who have turned down top team spots at Stars or Bolts to play for MPS.... guess what, it's a fact, as is your revolting behavior on this forum. Congratulations, you have sunk to the depths of immaturity and have graduated to Troll status.

we are involved with the Blackhawks a small club on the south shore . Our fees are way less than $1000 dollars including uniforms. we play maple spring and fall, 5 tournaments 3 sessions of indoor play at the Bridgewater Dome in the offseason as well as a practice or two a week during the winter. Coaches aren't paid and they get no travel expenses. Not everyone needs to make $$$$$ off youth sports. More interested in seeing kids stay busy learning a great sport that will get them further in life either thru soccer or the discipline they need to play at a high level

Are you a coach, or a parent/player there? So the $1000 fee includes 2 Maple sessions, all practices & field fees (I assume 2x week during fall and spring?), all 5 tournament fees, all 3 indoor session fees AND practices during the winter..... who pays the facility fee? The coaches are unpaid and pay their own way to tournaments? So you pay only your own travel fees to tournaments on top of the $1000?? That's pretty impressive. Is the Bridgewater Dome a boarded facility? After early years of boarded soccer, this was something we really wanted to get away from for our kids as they developed, so I was just curious as to how that is handled.

It's really beyond me how an adult can go on this forum and call little kids (yes, I think 12 and 13 year olds are little kids) "slackers." Truly pathetic. Also pretty ironic pen name, you seem to have "Inside" knowledge on just about every aspect of soccer at every club. I bet you can't fathom that there are players who have turned down top team spots at Stars or Bolts to play for MPS.... guess what, it's a fact, as is your revolting behavior on this forum. Congratulations, you have sunk to the depths of immaturity and have graduated to Troll status.

Insider is that guy at all of the MPS practices keeping detailed notes on number of players (usually 35), number of slackers (usually 1/3 of those attendees) and getting details from each parent on how much they are paying (3500/player). MPS has a great business model where they obviously convince parents to pay these outrageous fees so their kids can sit around and slack. Thank goodness that Insider has exposed this.

nice try insider, you love yourself we get it. you throw out big $$ numbers and think people will believe it's true because you write it on this forum. it isn't true, just like all the rest of your "facts". get a life.

It's really beyond me how an adult can go on this forum and call little kids (yes, I think 12 and 13 year olds are little kids) "slackers." Truly pathetic. Also pretty ironic pen name, you seem to have "Inside" knowledge on just about every aspect of soccer at every club. I bet you can't fathom that there are players who have turned down top team spots at Stars or Bolts to play for MPS.... guess what, it's a fact, as is your revolting behavior on this forum. Congratulations, you have sunk to the depths of immaturity and have graduated to Troll status.

Insider is that guy at all of the MPS practices keeping detailed notes on number of players (usually 35), number of slackers (usually 1/3 of those attendees) and getting details from each parent on how much they are paying (3500/player). MPS has a great business model where they obviously convince parents to pay these outrageous fees so their kids can sit around and slack. Thank goodness that Insider has exposed this.

But how does he count all those No Shows?

It's really beyond me how an adult can go on this forum and call little kids (yes, I think 12 and 13 year olds are little kids) "slackers." Truly pathetic. Also pretty ironic pen name, you seem to have "Inside" knowledge on just about every aspect of soccer at every club. I bet you can't fathom that there are players who have turned down top team spots at Stars or Bolts to play for MPS.... guess what, it's a fact, as is your revolting behavior on this forum. Congratulations, you have sunk to the depths of immaturity and have graduated to Troll status.

Insider is that guy at all of the MPS practices keeping detailed notes on number of players (usually 35), number of slackers (usually 1/3 of those attendees) and getting details from each parent on how much they are paying (3500/player). MPS has a great business model where they obviously convince parents to pay these outrageous fees so their kids can sit around and slack. Thank goodness that Insider has exposed this.

But how does he count all those No Shows?

Hmmm .... great question. Insider has installed a microchip in each MPS player to track their movements. Particularly all of those MPS girls moving to other clubs that he mentioned before. I'm still trying to figure out who all those girls are. MPS must have brought in look alikes to practices so that we brainwashed MPS parents didn't notice the attrition.

[quote=Anonymous]It's really beyond me how an adult can go on this forum and call little kids (yes, I think 12 and 13 year olds are little kids) "slackers." Truly pathetic. Also pretty ironic pen name, you seem to have "Inside" knowledge on just about every aspect of soccer at every club. I bet you can't fathom that there are players who have turned down top team spots at Stars or Bolts to play for MPS.... guess what, it's a fact, as is your revolting behavior on this forum. Congratulations, you have sunk to the depths of immaturity and have graduated to Troll status.

Insider is that guy at all of the MPS practices keeping detailed notes on number of players (usually 35), number of slackers (usually 1/3 of those attendees) and getting details from each parent on how much they are paying (3500/player). MPS has a great business model where they obviously convince parents to pay these outrageous fees so their kids can sit around and slack. Thank goodness that Insider has exposed this.

But how does he count all those No Shows?

Hmmm .... great question. Insider has installed a microchip in each MPS player to track their movements. Particularly all of those MPS girls moving to other clubs that he mentioned before. I'm still trying to figure out who all those girls are. MPS must have brought in look alikes to practices so that we brainwashed MPS parents didn't notice the attrition.[/quote:rypyl0be]

Thanks and well done. I think the humor may have finally shut Insider and all his anti-MPS stuff up. He's just a sad and angry man who must have had a bad falling out with MPS in the past. I'm sure MPS has it's warts, etc. but no more or less than other clubs. It is fair to have differences with clubs but when you make broad statements about young kids (e.g., slackers), you've gone over the top.

My question is to the Administrator. Why do you seem compelled to remove anti-Star comments but not attacks on MPS. Just seems like a double standard.

The administrators deleted anti-Stars messages? When, and on what thread?

[justanovicecoach]

Are you a coach, or a parent/player there? So the $1000 fee includes 2 Maple sessions, all practices & field fees (I assume 2x week during fall and spring?), all 5 tournament fees, all 3 indoor session fees AND practices during the winter..... who pays the facility fee? The coaches are unpaid and pay their own way to tournaments? So you pay only your own travel fees to tournaments on top of the $1000?? That's pretty impressive. Is the Bridgewater Dome a boarded facility? After early years of boarded soccer, this was something we really wanted to get away from for our kids as they developed, so I was just curious as to how that is handled[/quote][/quote].



I am a coach. Everything is included in the fee's. I also have a child playing so I would pay my expenses anyway. The Dome still has 2 boarded fields. They also have 1 non boarded field.

That's an incredible value. What five tournaments are included? All local I assume?

The administrators deleted anti-Stars messages? When, and on what thread?

A few weeks ago when some posters wrote some unkind things about the Stars after Suzy Soccer's posts and about a month ago after the RR when a few posters went after the U15 Stars coach.

The administrator correctly jumped in both times.

This can be a terrific place to get information about youth soccer. Hyperbole is expected. However, when you have posters like Insider who only have one agenda and that is to discredit a complete club and its kids, that should be addressed or at least commented on my the Administrator.

Not a big deal. I don't believe anyone takes Insider seriously anyway so maybe that is sufficient.

Those were personal attacks not attacks on the clubs. I think the administrator does draw the line there.

Which is not to say the incessant club bashing, MPS or other clubs is anything other than disgusting at this point. This whole forum is pretty much useless. The NH forum is praying the MA posters don't start posting there.

That's an incredible value. What five tournaments are included? All local I assume?

Pretty much yes. Low level tournaments so we can show that we are successful and win.

Those were personal attacks not attacks on the clubs. I think the administrator does draw the line there.

Which is not to say the incessant club bashing, MPS or other clubs is anything other than disgusting at this point. This whole forum is pretty much useless. The NH forum is praying the MA posters don't start posting there.

That's a fair distinction although suggesting that MPS attracts 'slackers' is pretty personal to the kids on their teams.

[quote=Anonymous]It's really beyond me how an adult can go on this forum and call little kids (yes, I think 12 and 13 year olds are little kids) "slackers." Truly pathetic. Also pretty ironic pen name, you seem to have "Inside" knowledge on just about every aspect of soccer at every club. I bet you can't fathom that there are players who have turned down top team spots at Stars or Bolts to play for MPS.... guess what, it's a fact, as is your revolting behavior on this forum. Congratulations, you have sunk to the depths of immaturity and have graduated to Troll status.

Insider is that guy at all of the MPS practices keeping detailed notes on number of players (usually 35), number of slackers (usually 1/3 of those attendees) and getting details from each parent on how much they are paying (3500/player). MPS has a great business model where they obviously convince parents to pay these outrageous fees so their kids can sit around and slack. Thank goodness that Insider has exposed this.

But how does he count all those No Shows?

Hmmm .... great question. Insider has installed a microchip in each MPS player to track their movements. Particularly all of those MPS girls moving to other clubs that he mentioned before. I'm still trying to figure out who all those girls are. MPS must have brought in look alikes to practices so that we brainwashed MPS parents didn't notice the attrition.

Thanks and well done. I think the humor may have finally shut Insider and all his anti-MPS stuff up. He's just a sad and angry man who must have had a bad falling out with MPS in the past. I'm sure MPS has it's warts, etc. but no more or less than other clubs. It is fair to have differences with clubs but when you make broad statements about young kids (e.g., slackers), you've gone over the top.

My question is to the Administrator. Why do you seem compelled to remove anti-Star comments but not attacks on MPS. Just seems like a double standard.[/quote:10ldsl21]

I have to come clean. I dont really know anything about MPS and am certainly not an 'Insider.' I just have been compiling bits and pieces of information that I have read over the past few years.

Everyone here is right, all clubs have their issues no more or less than MPS. MPS is here to stay and help the sport which is something we all want.

Those were personal attacks not attacks on the clubs. I think the administrator does draw the line there.

Which is not to say the incessant club bashing, MPS or other clubs is anything other than disgusting at this point. This whole forum is pretty much useless. The NH forum is praying the MA posters don't start posting there.

That's a fair distinction although suggesting that MPS attracts 'slackers' is pretty personal to the kids on their teams.

I'll give you that one. ;)

I am a coach. Everything is included in the fee's. I also have a child playing so I would pay my expenses anyway. The Dome still has 2 boarded fields. They also have 1 non boarded field.[/quote]

It's a great value if you are getting the same level of training as somewhere else that costs more.

What are the coaches credentials? This is a real question, not a challenge -- I do think this is a valid question anytime I am writing a check in any amount, as I do want my child to become a better soccer player and I think credentials matter.

Do you coach your own child? no offense, I'm sure you are as objective as possible, but much of the reason people join clubs vs travel/town is to get away from teams where a kid on the team is the child of a coach.

I also hate boarded games -- for training no big deal but for games at any age I think it disrupts a player's learning for outdoors.

[FXWLD 24/7]

FSM .. To your last post. If you are not hung up on your kid going to UNC this is still a priceless parenting tool. I ask you, what would you rather have an expensive soccer player or an EMO kid? As long as a kid is passionate about something (sports, the arts, school) from my perspective you are way ahead of the wide array of problems that you face when kids go through puberty into high school. If you got it spend it. You can't take it with you.

Agreed. But whats an EMO?

FSM-

Emo is short for Emotional Rock as in a music genre. It's basically boy bands singing about their broken hearts. Parents look at your daughter's Ipod she probably has some favorites. All-American Rejects, Taking Back Sunday, The Killers, and Fall-Out Boy would probably be considered "light" Emo.

Emo kids enjoy the music and the attitude. I disagree with whoever told BTDT that Emo kids have issues. They're just being teenagers expressing themselves through music/dress. Our kids do it on the soccer field in a uniform.

I have to come clean. I dont really know anything about MPS and am certainly not an 'Insider.' I just have been compiling bits and pieces of information that I have read over the past few years.

Everyone here is right, all clubs have their issues no more or less than MPS. MPS is here to stay and help the sport which is something we all want.

:shock:

[Cujo]

I am a coach. Everything is included in the fee's. I also have a child playing so I would pay my expenses anyway. The Dome still has 2 boarded fields. They also have 1 non boarded field.

It's a great value if you are getting the same level of training as somewhere else that costs more.

What are the coaches credentials? This is a real question, not a challenge -- I do think this is a valid question anytime I am writing a check in any amount, as I do want my child to become a better soccer player and I think credentials matter.

Do you coach your own child? no offense, I'm sure you are as objective as possible, but much of the reason people join clubs vs travel/town is to get away from teams where a kid on the team is the child of a coach.

I also hate boarded games -- for training no big deal but for games at any age I think it disrupts a player's learning for outdoors.[/quote]

Don't be so quick to slam parents who coach. When I was a boardmember at a town soccer organization if it were not for parents there would not have been a program. This is a traditional american process for youth sports. Whether it is soccer, baseball, or football if not for the parents you would not have enough refs, boardmembers, fundraisers, and coaches. You don't leave town to get away from this - it is a step that the better players make because it is part of the natural progression of things. 95% of the parents who are involved in youth sports do a great job of balancing their childs interests against those of the other players. I coached my daughter in town soccer. I never wanted to. I got "elected" during the middle of the season because the coach quit. I was "volunteered" because I was an ex-player. I also umpired little league. Ever had to call your kid out on strikes with the bases loaded? It sucks. Same issue, no umpire no game. Most parents that I knew that coached their kids were harder on the own kids and held them to a higher standard. Still, many of the jealous parents thought that they were playing favorites. Bottom line is that they were too lazy or unathletic to get off their fat @$$e$ and do something other than complaining. My Uncle was the President of my little league AND my coach. He also was an ex-minor league player and his best friend and my neighbor was the pitching coach. He played Triple AAA baseball. Are you suggesting that they should not have been involved. They started and created the damn league. They did the fundraisers and trotted off all 200 of us every year to Fenway park to watch the game. THEY introduced me to Johnny Pesky and Joe Cronin before I even knew who they were. Where did it get them? Hang up phone calls at 2am in the morning. Backbiting backstabbing and viscious rumours. I batted .450, played flawless defense and was elected to the All star team by ALL the coaches yet I had to listen to the whispers that I got on the allstar team because of my uncle. Open your eyes, will 'ya? By the time I was 11 I learned that a fair percentage of the parents sitting in the stands were petty, vindictive, jealous LOSERS. Nothing that I have seen in the intervening 37 years as both a player and a coach has altered what I learned. Only know the percentage of LOSER PARENTS is much higher. All those college sports scholarships and parents who are convinced that THEIR kid is the next coming of GOD are to blame.......

And please, no more of the boarded game BS that it ruins a player, I learned to play hockey on a pond without boards, that had zero impact on affecting my passing and puck handling skills on boarded rinks, the puck is still a puck and a round soccer ball is, well, a round soccer ball.

Cujo, I understand your being defensive, but I think you are taking the comment WAY too personally. Nothing suggested a lack of appreciation for the many parents who volunteer their time, energy and resources to coach and administer teams. Especially at the town/travel level that is absolutely necessary. But don't discount parents as having lazy fat rears because they want to find a club with a more professional environment if their kid shows a real interest and desire to improve as a player. It may be that a parent has real credentials and is as objective as the next guy with regard to their own kid in a club environment, but especially at early ages a lot of us HAVE experienced just the opposite. So looking for a completely neutral environment with high level coaching is why people pay more $$ in many instances. There is no attack on parent coaches here.

And hockey is a boarded sport, soccer is not, that's just a fact.

[Cujo]

Cujo, I understand your being defensive, but I think you are taking the comment WAY too personally. Nothing suggested a lack of appreciation for the many parents who volunteer their time, energy and resources to coach and administer teams. Especially at the town/travel level that is absolutely necessary. But don't discount parents as having lazy fat rears because they want to find a club with a more professional environment if their kid shows a real interest and desire to improve as a player. It may be that a parent has real credentials and is as objective as the next guy with regard to their own kid in a club environment, but especially at early ages a lot of us HAVE experienced just the opposite. So looking for a completely neutral environment with high level coaching is why people pay more $$ in many instances. There is no attack on parent coaches here.

And hockey is a boarded sport, soccer is not, that's just a fact.

It was a snarky comment that is a gross and inaccurate generalization of the role parent's play in youth sports. Without parents youth sports at the town level would not exist. I have been playing boarded and unboarded soccer for 40 years and coaching both for 15. Playing boarded soccer when an unboarded venue is not available is beneficial to players. As a goal keeper I found that boarded soccer actually helped me. It improved my eye hand coordination, my reaction time, and my ability to read my defenders and the offensive attack. I got 10 times the touches in half the game time. It made me a much better goal keeper. I played D2 OTHSL which is a fairly competitive league with some highly skilled players. My GAA was lower and my save percentage was higher after playing indoors. That, my friend, is a fact.

We will have to agree to disagree, Cujo. You are not credible because you are reacting so defensively about this. Nothing "snarky" about the comment... nor a "gross and inaccurate generalization" -- those are great adjectives but pretty over the top for a mild comment made about looking for a team that doesn't have parent involvement, maybe because of Papa's kid's bad experience at another club. It's great that it didn't happen in your environment and you sound like a very involved and dedicated coach, but people have had bad experiences that lead them to factor the parent involvement issue in when choosing a club. I am very grateful for my kids' first town/travel coach and there is nothing wrong with looking for something different at the club level. That might be a parent with great credentials, who knows, but you are the one making generalizations.

And it's great that boarded soccer helped your goalkeeping skills, but when I see 9-10 year old girls checking each other into the boards resulting in: 1) broken leg 2) concussions, 3) broken wrist -- all in one season -- that is where I must conclude that boarded soccer is NOT "beneficial to players." Again, can't we civilly disagree?

Cujo, I think you need to relax a bit. There is a difference between volunteer coaches at the youth level when it is recreational or travel, and when it is at a level which is supposed to be considered elite/premier. Of course youth sports would not exist without volunteer coaches, and of course most who volunteer are parents. But in the "club/premier" setting it often becomes an issue. Perhaps the parent plays favorites, perhaps they are too hard on their own kid, who may by the way play sports for their own outlet, AWAY from their parents. But what kid would have the heart to tell their dad or mom that?

And of course you became a better goalie from indoor; you have to become faster, more agile, and a lot more brave to play in that setting. But for most players it adds a higher risk of injury and little development since it can lead to bad habits.

Can anyone read a post without taking offense or viewing it as a personal attack?

[quote="Anonymous"]Cujo, I think you need to relax a bit. There is a difference between volunteer coaches at the youth level when it is recreational or travel, and when it is at a level which is supposed to be considered elite/premier. Of course youth sports would not exist without volunteer coaches, and of course most who volunteer are parents. But in the "club/premier" setting it often becomes an issue. Perhaps the parent plays favorites, perhaps they are too hard on their own kid, who may by the way play sports for their own outlet, AWAY from their parents. But what kid would have the heart to tell their dad or mom that?

quote]

Not sticky up for Cujo, but who is the current coach for the US MNT? Does he have a kid on the team? Seems to me that the MNT is a fairly high level of soccer.

Point is, both sides are correct and any generalization (intended or not) are perhaps misguided. Each situtation merits it own investigation.

And yes, we do need more parental invovlement. It has always struck me how the same parents are volenteering at school, sports, church, and scouts all at the same time. And the other parents are not helping in any of the above. It is like "all in" or "not in at all". But that is a bit of a genralization, is'nt it :?

[Cujo]

We will have to agree to disagree, Cujo. You are not credible because you are reacting so defensively about this. Nothing "snarky" about the comment... nor a "gross and inaccurate generalization" -- those are great adjectives but pretty over the top for a mild comment made about looking for a team that doesn't have parent involvement, maybe because of Papa's kid's bad experience at another club. It's great that it didn't happen in your environment and you sound like a very involved and dedicated coach, but people have had bad experiences that lead them to factor the parent involvement issue in when choosing a club. I am very grateful for my kids' first town/travel coach and there is nothing wrong with looking for something different at the club level. That might be a parent with great credentials, who knows, but you are the one making generalizations.

And it's great that boarded soccer helped your goalkeeping skills, but when I see 9-10 year old girls checking each other into the boards resulting in: 1) broken leg 2) concussions, 3) broken wrist -- all in one season -- that is where I must conclude that boarded soccer is NOT "beneficial to players." Again, can't we civilly disagree?

I thought this was civil and I take objections to generalized comments about parents and their involvement in town sports. I can't tell you the number of 350 lb women and men and/or people who had never set foot within a touchline that I had to listen to telling me how to run a team.

As for kids getting checked indoors? That is a coaching and mostly officiating problem and not one inherent in the game itself. I coached indoor soccer for many years and never saw a single serious injury.

[Cujo]

Cujo, I think you need to relax a bit. There is a difference between volunteer coaches at the youth level when it is recreational or travel, and when it is at a level which is supposed to be considered elite/premier. Of course youth sports would not exist without volunteer coaches, and of course most who volunteer are parents. But in the "club/premier" setting it often becomes an issue. Perhaps the parent plays favorites, perhaps they are too hard on their own kid, who may by the way play sports for their own outlet, AWAY from their parents. But what kid would have the heart to tell their dad or mom that?

quote]

Not sticky up for Cujo, but who is the current coach for the US MNT? Does he have a kid on the team? Seems to me that the MNT is a fairly high level of soccer.

Point is, both sides are correct and any generalization (intended or not) are perhaps misguided. Each situtation merits it own investigation.

And yes, we do need more parental invovlement. It has always struck me how the same parents are volenteering at school, sports, church, and scouts all at the same time. And the other parents are not helping in any of the above. It is like "all in" or "not in at all". But that is a bit of a genralization, is'nt it :?

In most venues 10% of the parents do 90% of the work PTA, Cub scouts, church etc etc and get shizzled on by the people on the sidelines. Being a volunteer in any situation is thankless task if you consider only the adults. The only reason you do it is for the kids. Why else would you subject yourself to the abuse you take?

[FXWLD 24/7]

Not sure about this, but aren't Western United coaches volunteers? (I was under the impression this is how they kept fees reasonable). Maybe someone from the club can clarify for me.

I mention this because Western United had the most boy's teams entered in Div 1 U13-U18Boys MAPLE last spring...not too shabby for a bunch of volunteers :D .

And 5 out of 6 made it into the semi's...double :D :D

[justanovicecoach]

That's an incredible value. What five tournaments are included? All local I assume?

Pretty much yes. Low level tournaments so we can show that we are successful and win.



We just came back from the seaside RI. August we are going to Downington PA with 2 teams our U16 team is doing some college showcases in the summer. This year we did stay local And did the Needham tourney. Indoor tournaments we go to Oakwood and places where the competition is good. I guess those examples are so called low level tournaments.I am not going to keep being slammed here but i just wanted to show that there low cost options out there.

[justanovicecoach]

That's an incredible value. What five tournaments are included? All local I assume?

Pretty much yes. Low level tournaments so we can show that we are successful and win.



We just came back from the seaside RI. August we are going to Downington PA with 2 teams our U16 team is doing some college showcases in the summer. This year we did stay local And did the Needham tourney. Indoor tournaments we go to Oakwood and places where the competition is good. I guess those examples are so called low level tournaments.I am not going to keep being slammed here but i just wanted to show that there low cost options out there.

[Show Me Soccer]

we are involved with the Blackhawks a small club on the south shore . Our fees are way less than $1000 dollars including uniforms. we play maple spring and fall, 5 tournaments 3 sessions of indoor play at the Bridgewater Dome in the offseason as well as a practice or two a week during the winter. Coaches aren't paid and they get no travel expenses. Not everyone needs to make $$$$$ off youth sports. More interested in seeing kids stay busy learning a great sport that will get them further in life either thru soccer or the discipline they need to play at a high level

Doesn't your club director also have a pretty big stake in the Bridgewater Dome? I am just assuming but if he did, wouldn't your costs to play 3 indoor sessions be pretty low compared to other clubs with the fees being around $1200 per session (Forekicks) 6v6 or even around $1600 for 10v10 in Forekicks. If you can keep these costs down, then that can significantly the bottom line for a parent. Most clubs have to pay a premium as most of you know to aquire indoor space for practice and then have to pay for indoor leagues (which everyone knows is a huge costs). I also heard (I may be wrong--let me put this out there first) that the uniforms for the Blackhawks are given to them by the club and don't have to be purchased at least the first set. With that being said, if that is true, then your costs are going to be significantly lower than most clubs plus the fact that you don't pay coaches adds even LESS to the bottom line.

If I am wrong on these matters, please let me know and correct me. If you get what you are looking for and you and your player are happy--that is what counts. :)

[Show Me Soccer]

we are involved with the Blackhawks a small club on the south shore . Our fees are way less than $1000 dollars including uniforms. we play maple spring and fall, 5 tournaments 3 sessions of indoor play at the Bridgewater Dome in the offseason as well as a practice or two a week during the winter. Coaches aren't paid and they get no travel expenses. Not everyone needs to make $$$$$ off youth sports. More interested in seeing kids stay busy learning a great sport that will get them further in life either thru soccer or the discipline they need to play at a high level

Doesn't your club director also have a pretty big stake in the Bridgewater Dome? I am just assuming but if he did, wouldn't your costs to play 3 indoor sessions be pretty low compared to other clubs with the fees being around $1200 per session (Forekicks) 6v6 or even around $1600 for 10v10 in Forekicks. If you can keep these costs down, then that can significantly help the bottom line for a parent. Most clubs have to pay a premium as most of you know to aquire indoor space for practice and then have to pay for indoor leagues (which everyone knows is a huge costs). I also heard (I may be wrong--let me put this out there first) that the uniforms for the Blackhawks are given to them by the club and don't have to be purchased, at least the first set. With that being said, if that is true, then your costs are going to be significantly lower than most clubs plus the fact that you don't pay coaches adds even LESS to the bottom line. I can tell you that clubs that I have been associated with either coaching or having a child play have been around $1200 to $2800 depending on how much travel that particular team decides to do.

If I am wrong on these matters, please let me know and correct me. If you get what you are looking for and you and your player are happy--that is what counts. :)

We just came back from the seaside RI.

:o

[justanovicecoach]

He has nothing to do with it except we spend a lot of time and$$ there in the offseason.So the guys are flexible about giving us practice time when we request it

[Red99]

Remember too that some kids do NOT WANT their parents involved (I would say many kids, in fact). My daughter would no more allow me or my spouse anywhere on the team side of the field, much less as a coach, than she'd take up ballet tomorrow.

(NOT A SLAM ON BALLET, please don't go down that route)! :)

I think someone mentioned this before, a lot of kids choose a sport to get away from parental involvement (!) and enjoy all the team aspects that go along with, including developing as a young adult in areas beyond just soccer skills (communication, dealing with highs and lows). At U13-14 or thereabouts (maybe earlier), the coaches are asking us to support and support some more (and drive a lot) but try to encourage the kids to start taking charge of their sports life by talking directly to the coaches about issues that come up (and there are always some) and not relying on mom & dad to be the go-between. It probably ought to always be that way, town/travel and certainly club/HS, so maybe this is where some kids & parents would find it uncomfortable to have the coaching involvement of their parents.

SOME kids, I said, not all.

[justanovicecoach]

Sorry hit send to soon. The uniforms are not given , they are included in the initial cost and are replaced when needed at the cheapest cost possible to the players. As far as the players being happy we are lucky to have great kids and never have a practice or game committment issue.

[StillLearning]

Doesn't your club director also have a pretty big stake in the Bridgewater Dome?

I think you may be confusing the connection between the Stingrays and the Jungleplex.

Doesn't your club director also have a pretty big stake in the Bridgewater Dome?

I think you may be confusing the connection between the Stingrays and the Jungleplex.

No, I meant the Blackhawks with the owner of your club being involved with the Dome.

Sorry that was me, Show Me Soccer!

[Red99]

"Forfeits in Super Y"

??

:D

[quote=Anonymous]It's really beyond me how an adult can go on this forum and call little kids (yes, I think 12 and 13 year olds are little kids) "slackers." Truly pathetic. Also pretty ironic pen name, you seem to have "Inside" knowledge on just about every aspect of soccer at every club. I bet you can't fathom that there are players who have turned down top team spots at Stars or Bolts to play for MPS.... guess what, it's a fact, as is your revolting behavior on this forum. Congratulations, you have sunk to the depths of immaturity and have graduated to Troll status.

Insider is that guy at all of the MPS practices keeping detailed notes on number of players (usually 35), number of slackers (usually 1/3 of those attendees) and getting details from each parent on how much they are paying (3500/player). MPS has a great business model where they obviously convince parents to pay these outrageous fees so their kids can sit around and slack. Thank goodness that Insider has exposed this.

But how does he count all those No Shows?

Hmmm .... great question. Insider has installed a microchip in each MPS player to track their movements. Particularly all of those MPS girls moving to other clubs that he mentioned before. I'm still trying to figure out who all those girls are. MPS must have brought in look alikes to practices so that we brainwashed MPS parents didn't notice the attrition.

Thanks and well done. I think the humor may have finally shut Insider and all his anti-MPS stuff up. He's just a sad and angry man who must have had a bad falling out with MPS in the past. I'm sure MPS has it's warts, etc. but no more or less than other clubs. It is fair to have differences with clubs but when you make broad statements about young kids (e.g., slackers), you've gone over the top.

My question is to the Administrator. Why do you seem compelled to remove anti-Star comments but not attacks on MPS. Just seems like a double standard.

I have to come clean. I dont really know anything about MPS and am certainly not an 'Insider.' I just have been compiling bits and pieces of information that I have read over the past few years.

Everyone here is right, all clubs have their issues no more or less than MPS. MPS is here to stay and help the sport which is something we all want.[/quote:xozlvw0w]
Nice try insider want to be! But there's only one of me!
I have nothing against MPS, and I never called anyone personally a slacker. There's no specific attack to a particular person. I said that MPS provides environment for slackers and no-shows...I sign under that!
Here is another fact: fighting the words I mentioned about MPS the way you are doing, only proves what I said right. I don't have to explain or defend myself...you are doing it for me. I don't know why you are running away and afraid of words like "larger roster", "$$$", and "development". There is an obvious message here!

Nice try insider want to be! But there's only one of me!
I have nothing against MPS, and I never called anyone personally a slacker. There's no specific attack to a particular person. I said that MPS provides environment for slackers and no-shows...I sign under that!
Here is another fact: fighting the words I mentioned about MPS the way you are doing, only proves what I said right. I don't have to explain or defend myself...you are doing it for me. I don't know why you are running away and afraid of words like "larger roster", "$$$", and "development". There is an obvious message here!

Funny thing, no one seems to agree with you.

The only obvious message I get from your posts, is that kids should stay in school and learn to read and write.

[beentheredonethat]

Emo is short for Emotional Rock as in a music genre. It's basically boy bands singing about their broken hearts. Parents look at your daughter's Ipod she probably has some favorites. All-American Rejects, Taking Back Sunday, The Killers, and Fall-Out Boy would probably be considered "light" Emo.

Emo kids enjoy the music and the attitude. I disagree with whoever told BTDT that Emo kids have issues. They're just being teenagers expressing themselves through music/dress. Our kids do it on the soccer field in a uniform.

Sorry to disagree, but the in my house (two teenage girls) and in the high school in which I teach the term EMO referrs to the emotional wrecks (cutters, eating disorders, etc). Yes there is music they associate with and dress that they emulate but this is very much a clique of "damaged kids". Also, this is not a term kids use to disparage these teens. The EMO kids wear this term like a badge. It is their identity.

[FXWLD 24/7]

Emo is short for Emotional Rock as in a music genre. It's basically boy bands singing about their broken hearts. Parents look at your daughter's Ipod she probably has some favorites. All-American Rejects, Taking Back Sunday, The Killers, and Fall-Out Boy would probably be considered "light" Emo.

Emo kids enjoy the music and the attitude. I disagree with whoever told BTDT that Emo kids have issues. They're just being teenagers expressing themselves through music/dress. Our kids do it on the soccer field in a uniform.

Sorry to disagree, but the in my house (two teenage girls) and in the high school in which I teach the term EMO referrs to the emotional wrecks (cutters, eating disorders, etc). Yes there is music they associate with and dress that they emulate but this is very much a clique of "damaged kids". Also, this is not a term kids use to disparage these teens. The EMO kids wear this term like a badge. It is their identity.

BTDT also asked "what would you rather have an expensive soccer player or an EMO kid."

BTDT-
I have been posting on the forum for 2 weeks and I can already tell that our motto should be to "agree to disagree." :-k

[beentheredonethat]

FXWLD 24/7 .. Agreeing to disagree makes a good forum. Can we agree on that?

[FXWLD 24/7]

FXWLD 24/7 .. Agreeing to disagree makes a good forum. Can we agree on that?

Done...now if we could just influence the 551 posters on the MPS thread "The Force" would be in balance. (Just a little evil empire joke - hope you have a sense of humor!)

Nice try insider want to be! But there's only one of me!
I have nothing against MPS, and I never called anyone personally a slacker. There's no specific attack to a particular person. I said that MPS provides environment for slackers and no-shows...I sign under that!
Here is another fact: fighting the words I mentioned about MPS the way you are doing, only proves what I said right. I don't have to explain or defend myself...you are doing it for me. I don't know why you are running away and afraid of words like "larger roster", "$$$", and "development". There is an obvious message here!

Funny thing, no one seems to agree with you.

The only obvious message I get from your posts, is that kids should stay in school and learn to read and write.
Funny thing, all of sudden read and write becomes an issue. That's better topic for you! Avoiding and fighting "larger roster", "development", and "$$$" is not working. MPS is exposed!

Nice try insider want to be! But there's only one of me!
I have nothing against MPS, and I never called anyone personally a slacker. There's no specific attack to a particular person. I said that MPS provides environment for slackers and no-shows...I sign under that!
Here is another fact: fighting the words I mentioned about MPS the way you are doing, only proves what I said right. I don't have to explain or defend myself...you are doing it for me. I don't know why you are running away and afraid of words like "larger roster", "$$$", and "development". There is an obvious message here!

Funny thing, no one seems to agree with you.

The only obvious message I get from your posts, is that kids should stay in school and learn to read and write.

Funny thing, all of sudden read and write becomes an issue. That's better topic for you! Avoiding and fighting "larger roster", "development", and "$$$" is not working. MPS is exposed!

And another thing, it really doesnt matter if anyone agrees or disagree's because I am always right. Always have and always will.

MPS is exposed!

Where would you people be without me?

[Cujo]

Emo is short for Emotional Rock as in a music genre. It's basically boy bands singing about their broken hearts. Parents look at your daughter's Ipod she probably has some favorites. All-American Rejects, Taking Back Sunday, The Killers, and Fall-Out Boy would probably be considered "light" Emo.

Emo kids enjoy the music and the attitude. I disagree with whoever told BTDT that Emo kids have issues. They're just being teenagers expressing themselves through music/dress. Our kids do it on the soccer field in a uniform.

Sorry to disagree, but the in my house (two teenage girls) and in the high school in which I teach the term EMO referrs to the emotional wrecks (cutters, eating disorders, etc). Yes there is music they associate with and dress that they emulate but this is very much a clique of "damaged kids". Also, this is not a term kids use to disparage these teens. The EMO kids wear this term like a badge. It is their identity.

I love My Chemical Romance which is considered EMO and so does my 20 year old daughter. Neither of us "cut". Not all cutters listen to EMO, not all listeners of EMO cut. I also like the Killers.

[Cujo]

FXWLD 24/7 .. Agreeing to disagree makes a good forum. Can we agree on that?

Which explains why the Touchline withered like dry grapes on a hot vine.

[beentheredonethat]

I love My Chemical Romance which is considered EMO and so does my 20 year old daughter. Neither of us "cut". Not all cutters listen to EMO, not all listeners of EMO cut. I also like the Killers.

I like Marilyn Manson but I don't dress in black and wear eye shadow. Cliques are about finding acceptance and then conforming to the social norms of that group. Just as there are kids in the Jock clique that don't play sports there are some EMO's that have no issues. That does not change the underlying statement being made by an EMO clique. They are saying that they identify with painful emotions and the kids that identify with painful emotions tend to gravitate to this group. In school there is a particular form of dress that they emulate (peg-leg pants, chucks, and stripes with a modest amount of body art) and yes they do tend to prefer some of the bands you cite. They are not nearly as hostile as some of the cliques can be and really come across as more needy than anything. I'm not putting this kids down. In the classes I teach some of them are my top students. That said I don't think many parents goes out of their way to boast about their child's inclusion in this sort of clique.

Which explains why the Touchline withered like dry grapes on a hot vine.

So you get a jolt out of the bashing. No wonder you listen to My Chemical Romance .

[Cujo]

Harmony and concurrence are boring. I view the EMO's as either amateur goths or goth-lites. When my wife was teaching HS she had several emo's who were pretty cool kids if you made an effort to find common ground with them and to get to know them. While they certainly have a set of common behaviors they can't help but reveal their unique nature once you dig below the surface. One thing is that they were heavily into the drama club. The school had a lot of cross polinization though as several of the football jocks shocked us with their acting and artistic talents. One of the most memorable moments was the emos and the jocks doing a Lords of the Dance parody on Senior day. By far one of the funniest skits I have ever seen in my life. Just picture a 250 lb lineman in Irish Drag doing an Irish Dance that had elements of a Russian Cossack dance in it.

My wife just started teaching college and much to her surprise her current Freshmen are a lot like her HS seniors. Same issues - just a year removed.

[Cujo]

[quote]I love My Chemical Romance which is considered EMO and so does my 20 year old daughter. Neither of us "cut". Not all cutters listen to EMO, not all listeners of EMO cut. I also like the Killers.

I like Marilyn Manson but I don't dress in black and wear eye shadow. Cliques are about finding acceptance and then conforming to the social norms of that group. Just as there are kids in the Jock clique that don't play sports there are some EMO's that have no issues. That does not change the underlying statement being made by an EMO clique. They are saying that they identify with painful emotions and the kids that identify with painful emotions tend to gravitate to this group. In school there is a particular form of dress that they emulate (peg-leg pants, chucks, and stripes with a modest amount of body art) and yes they do tend to prefer some of the bands you cite. They are not nearly as hostile as some of the cliques can be and really come across as more needy than anything. I'm not putting this kids down. In the classes I teach some of them are my top students. That said I don't think many parents goes out of their way to boast about their child's inclusion in this sort of clique.

Which explains why the Touchline withered like dry grapes on a hot vine.

So you get a jolt out of the bashing. No wonder you listen to My Chemical Romance .[/quote:w8hvus2h]

I like to save singing Cumbaya for Campfire meetings of the Happy Blissfull Young Christians Club.

[FXWLD 24/7]

[quote]I love My Chemical Romance which is considered EMO and so does my 20 year old daughter. Neither of us "cut". Not all cutters listen to EMO, not all listeners of EMO cut. I also like the Killers.

I like Marilyn Manson but I don't dress in black and wear eye shadow. Cliques are about finding acceptance and then conforming to the social norms of that group. Just as there are kids in the Jock clique that don't play sports there are some EMO's that have no issues. That does not change the underlying statement being made by an EMO clique. They are saying that they identify with painful emotions and the kids that identify with painful emotions tend to gravitate to this group. In school there is a particular form of dress that they emulate (peg-leg pants, chucks, and stripes with a modest amount of body art) and yes they do tend to prefer some of the bands you cite. They are not nearly as hostile as some of the cliques can be and really come across as more needy than anything. I'm not putting this kids down. In the classes I teach some of them are my top students. That said I don't think many parents goes out of their way to boast about their child's inclusion in this sort of clique.

Which explains why the Touchline withered like dry grapes on a hot vine.

So you get a jolt out of the bashing. No wonder you listen to My Chemical Romance .[/quote:ub85k3n9]

Hi BTDT-

Please listen to "Teenagers" by My Chemical Romance (aka MCR if your a fan). My daughter put it on my "Mother's Day mix CD" she made for me. MCR clearly has a sense of humor about "an outsiders" view of Emo kids. BTW I bought the CD Black Parade for $14.99, it's awesome - another way to relate to my 2 teenagers - priceless!

FYI Both my kids are academic athletes

[beentheredonethat]

Teenagers - My Chemical Romance

They’re gonna clean up your looks
With all the lies in the books
To make a citizen out of you
Because they sleep with a gun
And keep an eye on you son
So they can watch all the things you do

Because the drugs never work
They’re gonna give you a smirk
‘Cause they got methods of keepin' you clean
They’re gonna rip up your heads
Your aspirations to shreds
Another cog in the murder machine

They said all teenagers scare
The living **** out of me
They could care less
As long as someone'll bleed
So darken your clothes
Or strike a violent pose
Maybe they’ll leave you alone, but not me

The boys and girls in a clique
The awful names that they stick
You’re never gonna fit in much, kid
But if you’re troubled and hurt
What you got under your shirt
Will make them pay for the things that they did

They said all teenagers scare
The living **** out of me
They could care less

As long as someone'll bleed
So darken your clothes
Or strike a violent pose
Maybe they’ll leave you alone, but not me

Ohhh yeah!

They said all teenagers scare
The living **** out of me
They could care less
As long as someone'll bleed
so darken your clothes
Or strike a violent pose
Maybe they’ll leave you alone, but not me

All together now!

Teenagers scare
The living **** out of me
They could care less
As long as someone'll bleed
So darken your clothes
Or strike a violent pose
Maybe they’ll leave you alone, but not me

Oh,Teenagers scare
The living **** out of me
They could care less
As long as someone'll bleed
So darken your clothes
Or strike a violent pose
Maybe they’ll leave you alone, but not me



Let the discussion commence. BTW my oldest's current male interest is an avowed EMO as is one of her best friends - both are cutters. She's more jock than academic but still near the top of her class (or Mom would throttle her). My middle girl fancies herself a diva at the moment and if she could get away with wearing a red boah when she plays hoop she would.

Cujo .. Why don't you take up kick boxing or something

FYI Both my kids are academic athletes

We need a label for them, otherwise this group will remain without an identity. Some ideas:
AA
AcAt
Acathlete
Jock Worm

[keeper]

:P Now this is fun.

Soccer parents debating emo music. Be careful or a lot more players will start to tune in just to watch.

It may be just a local thing for your schools, but the old hard core emo depressed cutter kid is pretty much gone. But labels do tend to stick around for a long time. Most emos are now angry vegan StraightEdger’s with attitudes. The music moved from post punk to indie and now it’s rather mainstream. Old school Jimmy Eats World stuff is very different from AFI and MCR.

Borrow your kid’s ipod every once in a while, because you might find emo music :lol: :smt034 :smt035




.

[beentheredonethat]

Borrow your kid’s ipod every once in a while, because you might find emo music

Who do you think puts it on there for them?

[keeper]

Borrow your kid’s ipod every once in a while, because you might find emo music

Who do you think puts it on there for them?

That's just wrong on soo many levels....... ;)





.

[beentheredonethat]

Most emos are now angry vegan StraightEdger’s with attitudes

Vegans - now is that a group we can dis? Who in their right minds lives on brussel sprouts?

Most emos are now angry vegan StraightEdger’s with attitudes

Vegans - now is that a group we can dis? Who in their right minds lives on brussel sprouts?

There're better for development.

Most emos are now angry vegan StraightEdger’s with attitudes

Vegans - now is that a group we can dis? Who in their right minds lives on brussel sprouts?

They're better for development.

[skinny maradona]

Most emos are now angry vegan StraightEdger’s with attitudes

Vegans - now is that a group we can dis? Who in their right minds lives on brussel sprouts?

They're better for development.

Only if you juggle with them or dribble them around the house.

[Cujo]

[quote]I love My Chemical Romance which is considered EMO and so does my 20 year old daughter. Neither of us "cut". Not all cutters listen to EMO, not all listeners of EMO cut. I also like the Killers.

I like Marilyn Manson but I don't dress in black and wear eye shadow. Cliques are about finding acceptance and then conforming to the social norms of that group. Just as there are kids in the Jock clique that don't play sports there are some EMO's that have no issues. That does not change the underlying statement being made by an EMO clique. They are saying that they identify with painful emotions and the kids that identify with painful emotions tend to gravitate to this group. In school there is a particular form of dress that they emulate (peg-leg pants, chucks, and stripes with a modest amount of body art) and yes they do tend to prefer some of the bands you cite. They are not nearly as hostile as some of the cliques can be and really come across as more needy than anything. I'm not putting this kids down. In the classes I teach some of them are my top students. That said I don't think many parents goes out of their way to boast about their child's inclusion in this sort of clique.

Which explains why the Touchline withered like dry grapes on a hot vine.

So you get a jolt out of the bashing. No wonder you listen to My Chemical Romance .

Hi BTDT-

Please listen to "Teenagers" by My Chemical Romance (aka MCR if your a fan). My daughter put it on my "Mother's Day mix CD" she made for me. MCR clearly has a sense of humor about "an outsiders" view of Emo kids. BTW I bought the CD Black Parade for $14.99, it's awesome - another way to relate to my 2 teenagers - priceless!

FYI Both my kids are academic athletes[/quote:1ae79006]

"Your never gonna fit in kid"

[Zap]

Most emos are now angry vegan StraightEdger’s with attitudes

Vegans - now is that a group we can dis? Who in their right minds lives on brussel sprouts?

Brussel Sprouts have left a bad taste in my mouth because 6 of them once left my garden en masse to join a garden 2 blocks away.


:D

[Cujo]

Teenagers - My Chemical Romance

They’re gonna clean up your looks
With all the lies in the books
To make a citizen out of you
Because they sleep with a gun
And keep an eye on you son
So they can watch all the things you do

Because the drugs never work
They’re gonna give you a smirk
‘Cause they got methods of keepin' you clean
They’re gonna rip up your heads
Your aspirations to shreds
Another cog in the murder machine

They said all teenagers scare
The living **** out of me
They could care less
As long as someone'll bleed
So darken your clothes
Or strike a violent pose
Maybe they’ll leave you alone, but not me

The boys and girls in a clique
The awful names that they stick
You’re never gonna fit in much, kid
But if you’re troubled and hurt
What you got under your shirt
Will make them pay for the things that they did

They said all teenagers scare
The living **** out of me
They could care less

As long as someone'll bleed
So darken your clothes
Or strike a violent pose
Maybe they’ll leave you alone, but not me

Ohhh yeah!

They said all teenagers scare
The living **** out of me
They could care less
As long as someone'll bleed
so darken your clothes
Or strike a violent pose
Maybe they’ll leave you alone, but not me

All together now!

Teenagers scare
The living **** out of me
They could care less
As long as someone'll bleed
So darken your clothes
Or strike a violent pose
Maybe they’ll leave you alone, but not me

Oh,Teenagers scare
The living **** out of me
They could care less
As long as someone'll bleed
So darken your clothes
Or strike a violent pose
Maybe they’ll leave you alone, but not me



Let the discussion commence. BTW my oldest's current male interest is an avowed EMO as is one of her best friends - both are cutters. She's more jock than academic but still near the top of her class (or Mom would throttle her). My middle girl fancies herself a diva at the moment and if she could get away with wearing a red boah when she plays hoop she would.

Cujo .. Why don't you take up kick boxing or something

Kick-boxing? Nah, too violent and my hammies are too tight, I'll stick with hockey (although I do miss playing goal in the OTHSL and tormenting small South American forwards during corner kicks)

[Cujo]

[quote]I love My Chemical Romance which is considered EMO and so does my 20 year old daughter. Neither of us "cut". Not all cutters listen to EMO, not all listeners of EMO cut. I also like the Killers.

I like Marilyn Manson but I don't dress in black and wear eye shadow. Cliques are about finding acceptance and then conforming to the social norms of that group. Just as there are kids in the Jock clique that don't play sports there are some EMO's that have no issues. That does not change the underlying statement being made by an EMO clique. They are saying that they identify with painful emotions and the kids that identify with painful emotions tend to gravitate to this group. In school there is a particular form of dress that they emulate (peg-leg pants, chucks, and stripes with a modest amount of body art) and yes they do tend to prefer some of the bands you cite. They are not nearly as hostile as some of the cliques can be and really come across as more needy than anything. I'm not putting this kids down. In the classes I teach some of them are my top students. That said I don't think many parents goes out of their way to boast about their child's inclusion in this sort of clique.

Which explains why the Touchline withered like dry grapes on a hot vine.

So you get a jolt out of the bashing. No wonder you listen to My Chemical Romance .

Hi BTDT-

Please listen to "Teenagers" by My Chemical Romance (aka MCR if your a fan). My daughter put it on my "Mother's Day mix CD" she made for me. MCR clearly has a sense of humor about "an outsiders" view of Emo kids. BTW I bought the CD Black Parade for $14.99, it's awesome - another way to relate to my 2 teenagers - priceless!

FYI Both my kids are academic athletes

"Your never gonna fit in much kid"[/quote:2wsx67c0]

[riles]

Most emos are now angry vegan StraightEdger’s with attitudes

Vegans - now is that a group we can dis? Who in their right minds lives on brussel sprouts?

I thought Brussel Sprouts were a european youth development team.. you mean they're a vegetable!

[beentheredonethat]

That was funny!!

[FXWLD 24/7]

[quote]I love My Chemical Romance which is considered EMO and so does my 20 year old daughter. Neither of us "cut". Not all cutters listen to EMO, not all listeners of EMO cut. I also like the Killers.

I like Marilyn Manson but I don't dress in black and wear eye shadow. Cliques are about finding acceptance and then conforming to the social norms of that group. Just as there are kids in the Jock clique that don't play sports there are some EMO's that have no issues. That does not change the underlying statement being made by an EMO clique. They are saying that they identify with painful emotions and the kids that identify with painful emotions tend to gravitate to this group. In school there is a particular form of dress that they emulate (peg-leg pants, chucks, and stripes with a modest amount of body art) and yes they do tend to prefer some of the bands you cite. They are not nearly as hostile as some of the cliques can be and really come across as more needy than anything. I'm not putting this kids down. In the classes I teach some of them are my top students. That said I don't think many parents goes out of their way to boast about their child's inclusion in this sort of clique.

Which explains why the Touchline withered like dry grapes on a hot vine.

So you get a jolt out of the bashing. No wonder you listen to My Chemical Romance .

Hi BTDT-

Please listen to "Teenagers" by My Chemical Romance (aka MCR if your a fan). My daughter put it on my "Mother's Day mix CD" she made for me. MCR clearly has a sense of humor about "an outsiders" view of Emo kids. BTW I bought the CD Black Parade for $14.99, it's awesome - another way to relate to my 2 teenagers - priceless!

FYI Both my kids are academic athletes

"Your never gonna fit in much kid"[/quote:2c04xjgm]

Cujo-
Are you quoting MCR or are you giving me forum advice? or both?

[FXWLD 24/7]

Borrow your kid’s ipod every once in a while, because you might find emo music

Who do you think puts it on there for them?

BTDT-

Are you saying you "pay" for the iTunes songs, or that you physically select the music with your teens?

Most emos are now angry vegan StraightEdger’s with attitudes

Vegans - now is that a group we can dis? Who in their right minds lives on brussel sprouts?

Dwayne De Rosario of the Houston Dynamo is a vegan, for one. Boxer Bernard Hopkins is a vegetarian--why don't you diss him? :smt062

[beentheredonethat]

FXWLD 24/7 .. Look up easynews.com. They tell me what they want and I go find it then put it in iTunes for them. We share a library of about 11k mp3's and growing.

[FXWLD 24/7]

Most emos are now angry vegan StraightEdger’s with attitudes

Vegans - now is that a group we can dis? Who in their right minds lives on brussel sprouts?

Brussel Sprouts have left a bad taste in my mouth because 6 of them once left my garden en masse to join a garden 2 blocks away.


:D

Don't worry it happens to all gardeners, I hear he won the Massachusetts 4-H Championships. (Sh! his secret ingredient is premium fertilizer). When he dug up his garden to make way for your "sprouts" he used the old vegetables for compost. :lol: ;)

What about the development of the poor sprouts that were displaced?

[Cujo]

[quote=beentheredonethat][quote]I love My Chemical Romance which is considered EMO and so does my 20 year old daughter. Neither of us "cut". Not all cutters listen to EMO, not all listeners of EMO cut. I also like the Killers.

I like Marilyn Manson but I don't dress in black and wear eye shadow. Cliques are about finding acceptance and then conforming to the social norms of that group. Just as there are kids in the Jock clique that don't play sports there are some EMO's that have no issues. That does not change the underlying statement being made by an EMO clique. They are saying that they identify with painful emotions and the kids that identify with painful emotions tend to gravitate to this group. In school there is a particular form of dress that they emulate (peg-leg pants, chucks, and stripes with a modest amount of body art) and yes they do tend to prefer some of the bands you cite. They are not nearly as hostile as some of the cliques can be and really come across as more needy than anything. I'm not putting this kids down. In the classes I teach some of them are my top students. That said I don't think many parents goes out of their way to boast about their child's inclusion in this sort of clique.

Which explains why the Touchline withered like dry grapes on a hot vine.

So you get a jolt out of the bashing. No wonder you listen to My Chemical Romance .

Hi BTDT-

Please listen to "Teenagers" by My Chemical Romance (aka MCR if your a fan). My daughter put it on my "Mother's Day mix CD" she made for me. MCR clearly has a sense of humor about "an outsiders" view of Emo kids. BTW I bought the CD Black Parade for $14.99, it's awesome - another way to relate to my 2 teenagers - priceless!

FYI Both my kids are academic athletes

"Your never gonna fit in much kid"[/quote:1zos94as]

Cujo-
Are you quoting MCR or are you giving me forum advice? or both?[/quote:1zos94as]

Quoting. I rarely give unsolicited advice. Ask for it and I will pontificate endlessly.

[Cujo]

What about the development of the poor sprouts that were displaced?

They were cut and relegated to the freezer section (Shaws Private label brand)

What about the development of the poor sprouts that were displaced?

They were cut and relegated to the freezer section (Shaws Private label brand)

So, would that be the MPS of frozen food?

(It's a joke, people) :lol:

What about the development of the poor sprouts that were displaced?

They were cut and relegated to the freezer section (Shaws Private label brand)

Store brands are good for some, but I only look at the higher end brand. Those store sprouts are different sizes, not as green, and the packaging is rather plain. When you take the bag through checkout nobody is impressed. When you buy the top brand, no one will question your choice. Store brands don't win awards or enough rating points from mathman. I just don't know why anyone would want store brand sprouts.

What about the development of the poor sprouts that were displaced?

They were cut and relegated to the freezer section (Shaws Private label brand)

So, would that be the MPS of frozen food?

(It's a joke, people) :lol:

No, I think that's MAPLE D, D2 and half of D1. MPS would be those new packaged - steam in the bag - that costs more - that some people say taste better, that are now taking up a lot of shelf space because people are buying a lot of them. Who would have guessed people have different tastes in their sprouts?

No, I think that's MAPLE D, D2 and half of D1. MPS would be those new packaged - steam in the bag - that costs more - that some people say taste better, that are now taking up a lot of shelf space because people are buying a lot of them. Who would have guessed people have different tastes in their sprouts?

Hmm... if it's the largest club in the state then it must taste pretty good.

[riles]

What about the development of the poor sprouts that were displaced?

I heard many of them went to the French Style Green Beans with their coach. Rumor has it that they have two new strikers..one from the Swedish Meatballs and the other from the Danish Hams!

What about the development of the poor sprouts that were displaced?

I heard many of them went to the French Style Green Beans with their coach. Rumor has it that they have two new strikers..one from the Swedish Meatballs and the other from the Danish Hams!

We need Mrs Butterworth or Mrs Paul to scour the internet to see what the experts say about frozen vegetables in other parts of the country.

I've also heard a nasty rumour that Chef Boyardee is moving to Progresso and taking all of his pasta products with him.

No, I think that's MAPLE D, D2 and half of D1. MPS would be those new packaged - steam in the bag - that costs more - that some people say taste better, that are now taking up a lot of shelf space because people are buying a lot of them. Who would have guessed people have different tastes in their sprouts?

Hmm... if it's the largest club in the state then it must taste pretty good.
The largest because they take anyone that tries out!

No, I think that's MAPLE D, D2 and half of D1. MPS would be those new packaged - steam in the bag - that costs more - that some people say taste better, that are now taking up a lot of shelf space because people are buying a lot of them. Who would have guessed people have different tastes in their sprouts?

Hmm... if it's the largest club in the state then it must taste pretty good.
The largest because they take anyone that tries out!

What ever they lack in snob appeal, they must be making up by providing some thing a lot of people want and seem to like.

No, I think that's MAPLE D, D2 and half of D1. MPS would be those new packaged - steam in the bag - that costs more - that some people say taste better, that are now taking up a lot of shelf space because people are buying a lot of them. Who would have guessed people have different tastes in their sprouts?

Hmm... if it's the largest club in the state then it must taste pretty good.
The largest because they take anyone that tries out!

Again, completely and utterly false

[Cujo]

What about the development of the poor sprouts that were displaced?

They were cut and relegated to the freezer section (Shaws Private label brand)

So, would that be the MPS of frozen food?

(It's a joke, people) :lol:

some would say lima beans but I am leaning towards brocolli rabe. Not for everyone but delicious with veal.

[riles]

No, I think that's MAPLE D, D2 and half of D1. MPS would be those new packaged - steam in the bag - that costs more - that some people say taste better, that are now taking up a lot of shelf space because people are buying a lot of them. Who would have guessed people have different tastes in their sprouts?

Hmm... if it's the largest club in the state then it must taste pretty good.
The largest because they take anyone that tries out!

Again, completely and utterly false

With this threads abililty to turn negative, I am suprised that Hannibel Lector hasn't posted about fava beans, liver and a nice chianti.

No, I think that's MAPLE D, D2 and half of D1. MPS would be those new packaged - steam in the bag - that costs more - that some people say taste better, that are now taking up a lot of shelf space because people are buying a lot of them. Who would have guessed people have different tastes in their sprouts?

Hmm... if it's the largest club in the state then it must taste pretty good.
The largest because they take anyone that tries out!

Again, completely and utterly false

With this threads abililty to turn negative, I am suprised that Hannibel Lector hasn't posted about fava beans, liver and a nice chianti.

I'm offended by your anti-Garbanzo agenda.

[FXWLD 24/7]

What about the development of the poor sprouts that were displaced?

They are playing the role of "compost" in this story (told in the passive aggressive format :) )

Apparently, the gardener got it wrong the year before, he chose them, but he was under alot of pressure to maintain his position within the 4H community. He was unable to give the "poor sprouts" an opportunity to grow to their full potential - Hey, that's Gardening!

[FXWLD 24/7]

What about the development of the poor sprouts that were displaced?

They were cut and relegated to the freezer section (Shaws Private label brand)

So this is a legitimate post..I learned in a marketing class too many years ago that companies like Del Monte put their products in their packaging with the snazzy label AND sell the exact same product to stores for their private store label. Wouldn't it be funny if we were all buying the same brussel sprouts?

[pitch420]

So this is a legitimate post..I learned in a marketing class too many years ago that companies like Del Monte put their products in their packaging with the snazzy label AND sell the exact same product to stores for their private store label. Wouldn't it be funny if we were all buying the same brussel sprouts?

You mean...that...ALL the clubs are teaching...soccer? I'm shocked, SHOCKED I tell you.

From all this club bashing, I was of the impression that MPS was secretly trying to teach Curling and that Fred Marks is actually George Steinbrenner.

[riles]

TOP TEN Most Nutritious Vegetables
(according to Health magazine and former US Surgeon General Dr. C. Everett Koop.) (*also according to FIFA)
Broccoli
Spinach
Brussels sprouts
Lima beans
Peas
Asparagus
Artichokes
Cauliflower
Sweet potatoes
Carrots

Current vegetable rankings ( Mathman-could you please verify?)
For a developmental team, Brussel Sprouts, sur are ranked high

I guess this is why Dubya never played soccer.

You mean...that...ALL the clubs are teaching...soccer? I'm shocked, SHOCKED I tell you.

From all this club bashing, I was of the impression that MPS was secretly trying to teach Curling and that Fred Marks is actually George Steinbrenner.

Here is the facts. And you can't argue with them because there facts.

1)MPS is run by Halliburton and they are making $$$ by charging people to be in their club
2)They let anyone in their club because they get more $$$ and parents of slackers are willing to pay more $$$$ and No Shows also pay more.
3)MPS has there money in euros, so they have been making more $$$$$ as the US dollar is going lower.
4)MPS is like canned brussel sprouts not as good a frozen ones
Those are facts that make you afraid to know about. :smt043

[riles]

You mean...that...ALL the clubs are teaching...soccer? I'm shocked, SHOCKED I tell you.

From all this club bashing, I was of the impression that MPS was secretly trying to teach Curling and that Fred Marks is actually George Steinbrenner.

Here is the facts. And you can't argue with them because there facts.

1)MPS is run by Halliburton and they are making $$$ by charging people to be in their club
2)They let anyone in their club because they get more $$$ and parents of slackers are willing to pay more $$$$ and No Shows also pay more.
3)MPS has there money in euros, so they have been making more $$$$$ as the US dollar is going lower.
4)MPS is like canned brussel sprouts not as good a frozen ones
Those are facts that make you afraid to know about. :smt043

I think I figured it out
MPS =Most Produce Selected
MAPLE= Most Accoladed Produce League Existing
MASC=Mostly About Spinach Consumption (Very Nutritious)
Super Y= Select Yams
ODP= Over Developed Produce

You mean...that...ALL the clubs are teaching...soccer? I'm shocked, SHOCKED I tell you.

From all this club bashing, I was of the impression that MPS was secretly trying to teach Curling and that Fred Marks is actually George Steinbrenner.

Here is the facts. And you can't argue with them because there facts.

1)MPS is run by Halliburton and they are making $$$ by charging people to be in their club
2)They let anyone in their club because they get more $$$ and parents of slackers are willing to pay more $$$$ and No Shows also pay more.
3)MPS has there money in euros, so they have been making more $$$$$ as the US dollar is going lower.
4)MPS is like canned brussel sprouts not as good a frozen ones
Those are facts that make you afraid to know about. :smt043

I think I figured it out
MPS =Most Produce Selected
MAPLE= Most Accoladed Produce League Existing
MASC=Mostly About Spinach Consumption (Very Nutritious)
Super Y= Select Yams
ODP= Over Developed Produce

BOLTS: Beans Offer Little Taste Sensation
STARS: Some Tomatoes Are Rather Stale

You mean...that...ALL the clubs are teaching...soccer? I'm shocked, SHOCKED I tell you.

From all this club bashing, I was of the impression that MPS was secretly trying to teach Curling and that Fred Marks is actually George Steinbrenner.

Here is the facts. And you can't argue with them because there facts.

1)MPS is run by Halliburton and they are making $$$ by charging people to be in their club
2)They let anyone in their club because they get more $$$ and parents of slackers are willing to pay more $$$$ and No Shows also pay more.
3)MPS has there money in euros, so they have been making more $$$$$ as the US dollar is going lower.
4)MPS is like canned brussel sprouts not as good a frozen ones
Those are facts that make you afraid to know about. :smt043
Call me another Insider super fan but Insider is 90% right about things he pointed out. Look how you are trying so hard to make a joke of something that perhaps is really bugging you.

You mean...that...ALL the clubs are teaching...soccer? I'm shocked, SHOCKED I tell you.

From all this club bashing, I was of the impression that MPS was secretly trying to teach Curling and that Fred Marks is actually George Steinbrenner.

Here is the facts. And you can't argue with them because there facts.

1)MPS is run by Halliburton and they are making $$$ by charging people to be in their club
2)They let anyone in their club because they get more $$$ and parents of slackers are willing to pay more $$$$ and No Shows also pay more.
3)MPS has there money in euros, so they have been making more $$$$$ as the US dollar is going lower.
4)MPS is like canned brussel sprouts not as good a frozen ones
Those are facts that make you afraid to know about. :smt043

I think I figured it out
MPS =Most Produce Selected
MAPLE= Most Accoladed Produce League Existing
MASC=Mostly About Spinach Consumption (Very Nutritious)
Super Y= Select Yams
ODP= Over Developed Produce

BOLTS: Beans Offer Little Taste Sensation
STARS: Some Tomatoes Are Rather Stale
Are you sure that MPS is nor Most Players $lack?

You mean...that...ALL the clubs are teaching...soccer? I'm shocked, SHOCKED I tell you.

From all this club bashing, I was of the impression that MPS was secretly trying to teach Curling and that Fred Marks is actually George Steinbrenner.

Here is the facts. And you can't argue with them because there facts.

1)MPS is run by Halliburton and they are making $$$ by charging people to be in their club
2)They let anyone in their club because they get more $$$ and parents of slackers are willing to pay more $$$$ and No Shows also pay more.
3)MPS has there money in euros, so they have been making more $$$$$ as the US dollar is going lower.
4)MPS is like canned brussel sprouts not as good a frozen ones
Those are facts that make you afraid to know about. :smt043
Call me another Insider super fan but Insider is 90% right about things he pointed out. Look how you are trying so hard to make a joke of something that perhaps is really bugging you.

Sorry Insider Super Fan

But I don't think it's too hard for anyone to make a joke about what Insider posts, in fact it's very easy. I can't wait for his next fact filled post.

Are you sure that MPS is nor Most Players $lack?

See, Insider just makes it too easy. You can't make this stuff up :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You mean...that...ALL the clubs are teaching...soccer? I'm shocked, SHOCKED I tell you.

From all this club bashing, I was of the impression that MPS was secretly trying to teach Curling and that Fred Marks is actually George Steinbrenner.

Here is the facts. And you can't argue with them because there facts.

1)MPS is run by Halliburton and they are making $$$ by charging people to be in their club
2)They let anyone in their club because they get more $$$ and parents of slackers are willing to pay more $$$$ and No Shows also pay more.
3)MPS has there money in euros, so they have been making more $$$$$ as the US dollar is going lower.
4)MPS is like canned brussel sprouts not as good a frozen ones
Those are facts that make you afraid to know about. :smt043
Call me another Insider super fan but Insider is 90% right about things he pointed out. Look how you are trying so hard to make a joke of something that perhaps is really bugging you.

Sorry Insider Super Fan

But I don't think it's too hard for anyone to make a joke about what Insider posts, in fact it's very easy. I can't wait for his next fact filled post.
Don't pay attention too much in what Insider said or says. If he's that "offside" he doesn't even deserve for anyone to make a joke about what he posts. Move on...

Are you sure that MPS is nor Most Players $lack?

See, Insider just makes it too easy. You can't make this stuff up :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
You must sleep and have nightmares about Insider.

You mean...that...ALL the clubs are teaching...soccer? I'm shocked, SHOCKED I tell you.

From all this club bashing, I was of the impression that MPS was secretly trying to teach Curling and that Fred Marks is actually George Steinbrenner.

Here is the facts. And you can't argue with them because there facts.

1)MPS is run by Halliburton and they are making $$$ by charging people to be in their club
2)They let anyone in their club because they get more $$$ and parents of slackers are willing to pay more $$$$ and No Shows also pay more.
3)MPS has there money in euros, so they have been making more $$$$$ as the US dollar is going lower.
4)MPS is like canned brussel sprouts not as good a frozen ones
Those are facts that make you afraid to know about. :smt043
Call me another Insider super fan but Insider is 90% right about things he pointed out. Look how you are trying so hard to make a joke of something that perhaps is really bugging you.

Sorry Insider Super Fan

But I don't think it's too hard for anyone to make a joke about what Insider posts, in fact it's very easy. I can't wait for his next fact filled post.
Don't pay attention too much in what Insider said or says. If he's that "offside" he doesn't even deserve for anyone to make a joke about what he posts. Move on...

You're right, time to just start waving the Troll flag.......

Time to junk the whole worn-out topic.... :trashcomputer:

Insider...Inslider exposed as a troll.


Here is the facts. And you can't argue with them because there facts.

Here are the facts. And you can't argue with them because they're facts. You also need to delete the period as it's one sentence.


1)MPS is run by Halliburton and they are making $$$ by charging people to be in their club

Every club does. That's why it's called a club.


2)They let anyone in their club because they get more $$$ and parents of slackers are willing to pay more $$$$

Being the largest club in the state, we all must be pretty stupid.


3)MPS has there money in euros, so they have been making more $$$$$ as the US dollar is going lower.

3) MPS has their money in euros



4)MPS is like canned brussel sprouts not as good a frozen ones
Those are facts that make you afraid to know about. :smt043

MPS is like canned brussel sprouts, not as good a frozen ones

Those are the facts that make you afraid to know about. (please finish your thought) afraid to know about what?


So, what we have is a child posting.

Bye Troll!!

Insider...Inslider exposed as a troll.


Here is the facts. And you can't argue with them because there facts.

Here are the facts. And you can't argue with them because they're facts. You also need to delete the period as it's one sentence.


1)MPS is run by Halliburton and they are making $$$ by charging people to be in their club

Every club does. That's why it's called a club.


2)They let anyone in their club because they get more $$$ and parents of slackers are willing to pay more $$$$

Being the largest club in the state, we all must be pretty stupid.


3)MPS has there money in euros, so they have been making more $$$$$ as the US dollar is going lower.

3) MPS has their money in euros



4)MPS is like canned brussel sprouts not as good a frozen ones
Those are facts that make you afraid to know about. :smt043

MPS is like canned brussel sprouts, not as good a frozen ones

Those are the facts that make you afraid to know about. (please finish your thought) afraid to know about what?


So, what we have is a child posting.

Bye Troll!!
Insider wrote few things and he was right on the money! Someone else wrote using his/her name to discredit what he/she wrote. I believe in some stuff he said, and I am sure I am not the only one.

Insider wrote few things and he was right on the money!

You would be incorrect because he basically made no point. He's a child looking to stir things up.

Please point to which fact you think 'is right on the money'?

1)MPS is run by Halliburton (Plain silly)and they are making $$$ by charging people to be in their club This is what clubs do
2)They let anyone in their club because they get more $$$ and parents of slackers are willing to pay more $$$$ and No Shows also pay more. Makes no sense
3)MPS has there money in euros, so they have been making more $$$$$ as the US dollar is going lower. The probably do! Pretty smart!
4)MPS is like canned brussel sprouts not as good a frozen ones
Those are facts that make you afraid to know about. Huh?

[Dad&Driver]

Let me see If I can sum all this up using the proper vernacular


Your [sic] CluB SUXXXX

My CluB RulZZZZZZZ


can we all move on now.

Let me see If I can sum all this up using the proper vernacular


Your [sic] CluB SUXXXX

My CluB RulZZZZZZZ


can we all move on now.

http://www.informationarchitects.jp/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/baby-ronald.jpg

Insider wrote few things and he was right on the money!

You would be incorrect because he basically made no point. He's a child looking to stir things up.

Please point to which fact you think 'is right on the money'?

1)MPS is run by Halliburton (Plain silly)and they are making $$$ by charging people to be in their club This is what clubs do
2)They let anyone in their club because they get more $$$ and parents of slackers are willing to pay more $$$$ and No Shows also pay more. Makes no sense
3)MPS has there money in euros, so they have been making more $$$$$ as the US dollar is going lower. The probably do! Pretty smart!
4)MPS is like canned brussel sprouts not as good a frozen ones
Those are facts that make you afraid to know about. Huh?
I don't believe Insider wrote that...go back to the very beginning. This was someone else.

I don't believe Insider wrote that...go back to the very beginning. This was someone else.

Inslider’s post was lampooning Insider’s early postings. Since it seems Insider has now registered, why not let him speak for himself?

Admin - This is clearly the same guy registering/not registering/posting as guest and trying desperately to bring this ridiculous bash-fest of a topic back up to the top without any new insightful or meaningful information or thoughts (not that he had any in the first place). I hesitate to respond and take the bait, but can you do anything about it? If not, I respectfully suggest to my fellow posters that we continue to ignore this imbecile and keep the focus on other topics.

[Cujo]

Let me see If I can sum all this up using the proper vernacular


Your [sic] CluB SUXXXX

My CluB RulZZZZZZZ


can we all move on now.
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