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    MAPLE Restructuring Proposal

    The following was recently posted and emailed to clubs participating in MAPLE:

    League Restructuring

    As you all know, we have been discussing U12 8 v 8 for years. Half our clubs want it and half don’t so we really need a way to accommodate both and still be able to form divisions that involve qualification from a combination of league play and tournament play.

    The answer is to wait until U14 to make divisions. And with State Cups moving earlier this is now possible.

    So here is what we would propose:

    U12 would have both 8 v 8 and 11 v 11 sections

    U13 would be the same as U12 – color sections. No teams would be dropped and new teams could enter for the spring. The procedure for combining these 2 groups for the fall would be a variation on that already used to form U12 divisions. It would depend upon the number of teams playing either 8 v 8 or 11 v 11 and some feedback from coaches who currently play in leagues which have already combined them.

    U14 would be the same as the current U13. All teams are accepted for the fall, cut down to the appropriate number of divisions in the spring based on the number of teams who enter in the fall. The drop-off would then occur after U14, instead of after U13.

    The Paul Irwin Cup would be a voluntary tournament with both 8 v 8 and 11 v 11 divisions structured along the lines of the KC Andre Cup.

    The U13 tournament would be the 3rd weekend of June when State Cups are done. The 2 State Cup finalists and top 2 Blue section teams who are not State Cup finalists), or some variation of that, would bye 4 teams into U14-1. 16 teams would play a round robin. The top team in each section would have a D-1 place. The 2nd place teams would have a playoff, best record v worse record, 2nd v 3rd, for the 2 remaining places. There will be no tournament this year as U13 divisions which have already be determined will carry over to U14.

    Most of this could be implemented this spring. The U12’s can offer both options. We cancel the November tournament games other than the promotion games and tier all the U13 D-3 teams. Division 1 and Division 2 would have 8 teams this spring, but the D-3 levels would denote strength as they currently do in U12. U14 for this spring expands as noted below.

    It also solves the problem of the relegation at the end of the fall for U13, since teams would move a color group but could still qualify for D-1 & D-2 through the tournament.

    Lastly, the way to solve the U14 relegation at the end of the fall is just to have 10 teams in the spring and they don’t all play each other. No one was interested in doubleheaders. So, we have an expanded promotion system where maybe the bottom teams play each other. That would not be hard to figure out.

    Please talk about this proposal with your club and get back to me if you have questions. This involves several constitutional changes so 2/3 of the membership need to approve it for it to take effect. Voting will be by email and will be open until 9/28.

    #2
    While an interesting proposal, the fact remains that most kids at the U12 age group should not be playing on an 11v11 field. I can see where those who are more physically mature could get something out of 11v11 play, but it is easy enough to just pop those kids up an age group. The rest, which is a vast majority, should all be playing 8v8.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      While an interesting proposal, the fact remains that most kids at the U12 age group should not be playing on an 11v11 field. I can see where those who are more physically mature could get something out of 11v11 play, but it is easy enough to just pop those kids up an age group. The rest, which is a vast majority, should all be playing 8v8.
      I want to know which ones want to play 11 vs. 11 and which ones want to play 8 vs. 8.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        I want to know which ones want to play 11 vs. 11 and which ones want to play 8 vs. 8.
        Everyone should be playing 8v8... no options!

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          #5
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          While an interesting proposal, the fact remains that most kids at the U12 age group should not be playing on an 11v11 field. I can see where those who are more physically mature could get something out of 11v11 play, but it is easy enough to just pop those kids up an age group. The rest, which is a vast majority, should all be playing 8v8.
          why not play only 11v11 at U12. All teams will have to play 11v11 anyway so why postpone the inevitable. All you are doing is hurting your teams by needing more time to get adjusted to 11v11 compared to teams who already are playing 11v11 at younger ages.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            Everyone should be playing 8v8... no options!
            Can you explain your reasoning? Why is 8v8 better at this age, when do you think kids should play full- sided? Should boys and girls be the same? (which do you have??)

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              #7
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Can you explain your reasoning? Why is 8v8 better at this age, when do you think kids should play full- sided? Should boys and girls be the same? (which do you have??)
              I am afraid that this is because it's easier for dad to coach 8v8...

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                #8
                Some of you should stick to other sports because soccer isn't your thing. No clue!! The reason for 8v8 is for the proper development of the girls in a small sided environment. The main issue is that kids who play 11v11 at a young age don't get enough touches on the ball to help their development. If a kid touched the ball 10 times in a half or in a full game, how will they get better. US soccer recommends small sided 8v8 or 9v9 until U12.

                6v6 and then 8v8 is the right progression with more field players being added and the field size being adjusted for age, as not to overwhelm them.

                Maple has finally figured it out. They know if they don't change, their league will fall apart. US Soccer has made it clear that if leagues don't follow their recommendations, they may not get US soccer approval.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Can you explain your reasoning? Why is 8v8 better at this age, when do you think kids should play full- sided? Should boys and girls be the same? (which do you have??)
                  Two words: more touches

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    Some of you should stick to other sports because soccer isn't your thing. No clue!! The reason for 8v8 is for the proper development of the girls in a small sided environment. The main issue is that kids who play 11v11 at a young age don't get enough touches on the ball to help their development. If a kid touched the ball 10 times in a half or in a full game, how will they get better. US soccer recommends small sided 8v8 or 9v9 until U12.

                    6v6 and then 8v8 is the right progression with more field players being added and the field size being adjusted for age, as not to overwhelm them.

                    Maple has finally figured it out. They know if they don't change, their league will fall apart. US Soccer has made it clear that if leagues don't follow their recommendations, they may not get US soccer approval.
                    Do you think this is true for boys as well as the girls?

                    Do you think that the small size encourages ballhogs to further dominate play, or do you feel that those touches are well-distributed around the team? Why are there more touches anyway, or do you mean they are distributed with 7 others rather than 10 other players?

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                      #11
                      MASC, can you comment on the effect on the leagues? I mean, this means more teams to schedule, more fields to schedule, more center refs to find, etc. Just wondering what you think...

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        Do you think this is true for boys as well as the girls?

                        Do you think that the small size encourages ballhogs to further dominate play, or do you feel that those touches are well-distributed around the team? Why are there more touches anyway, or do you mean they are distributed with 7 others rather than 10 other players?
                        Boys and girls! It's a matter of fact. The smaller the field the more opportunities to play more and touch it more. On a 11v11 field have you ever seen a kid 11 & 12yr old on a goal kick, be able to kick it 30-40 yards in the air? If they kick it 20 yards, they are barely getting out of the 18yd box and that's just an example.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          why not play only 11v11 at U12. All teams will have to play 11v11 anyway so why postpone the inevitable. All you are doing is hurting your teams by needing more time to get adjusted to 11v11 compared to teams who already are playing 11v11 at younger ages.
                          There is no major adjustment to playing 11 v 11 aside from technical issues that players are not ready for physically. The adjustments are easier when the players are physically able to do it.

                          More touches and more pressure is what makes 8v 8 so valuable.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            Boys and girls! It's a matter of fact. The smaller the field the more opportunities to play more and touch it more. On a 11v11 field have you ever seen a kid 11 & 12yr old on a goal kick, be able to kick it 30-40 yards in the air? If they kick it 20 yards, they are barely getting out of the 18yd box and that's just an example.

                            So you put her on a small field and she can make midfield - how does that create more touches? I am willing to be convinced, but I don't see the logic.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              So you put her on a small field and she can make midfield - how does that create more touches? I am willing to be convinced, but I don't see the logic.
                              Less space equals more touches on the ball. Pretty simple concept.

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