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soccerlimo
06-27-2007, 10:44 AM
Onthree,Fred,Cujo,need a little advice on what constitutes crossing the line for a H.S. coach.What are the rules for contact between a coach and a player over the summer?Can a player be punished for not playing in a H.S. league over the summer?Rules on Captains practice?Not trying to start the annual H.S. vs. Club thread, was hoping this situation would go away but it seems to be getting to the point where I may have to step in and would like to know whats allowed and what is not.

beentheredonethat
06-27-2007, 10:57 AM
Sounds like the issue is more about the peer pressure most programs exert to get athletes to participate in these summer activities and less about what is permissable under the MIAA. If this is in fact true I think you will find that your attempts to fight the situation will create a social backlash for your athlete. Tough situation.

06-27-2007, 11:42 AM
I'm interested in this topic too -- any HS coaches out there?

Our HS coach made clear at the intro meeting earlier this month that he would not be able to be in contact with them or watch any practices or anything until the official start date at end of August. I have heard he really sticks by that policy.

Also how do the "Captains practices" actually work? Does every player who signed up to play soccer somehow get an invitation to these or are they supposed to find out through the grapevine, or do the captains just invite who they want to?

MASoccer
06-27-2007, 12:04 PM
I'm interested in this topic too -- any HS coaches out there?

Our HS coach made clear at the intro meeting earlier this month that he would not be able to be in contact with them or watch any practices or anything until the official start date at end of August. I have heard he really sticks by that policy.

Also how do the "Captains practices" actually work? Does every player who signed up to play soccer somehow get an invitation to these or are they supposed to find out through the grapevine, or do the captains just invite who they want to?

MIAA strictly states that coaches are not to have any meaningful contact with their specific team outside of the season. This includes captains practices, weight room, leagues, etc.. Does it still happen? You betcha, but it is never overt. Usually captains practices are organized by the captains during the summer months. These vary school to school and according to MIAA can NEVER be considered as official and cannot either help or hurt a player for placement on the HS team in the fall. Of my two sons both of them have heard about summer practices through the captains. My first one used to see about 14-15 kids each session. My second boy (years later at the same school) saw around 5 players at each practice. It really does depend on the school. Also, even though coaches are not supposed to be involved many are still in the background. My first son did have the coach do a "walk through" at many of these unofficial practices. This is a NO, NO, but happens more than you think. The second coach for my younger son never showed his face until the first official practice.

Blue Devil
06-27-2007, 12:18 PM
Correct that the HS coach is not supposed to have contact out of season with his/her HS team. Some coaches do come in contact with their kids during camps, Bay State games or via events at their club during the summer but do this as a member of the club, camp or Bay State games. but I am not aware of any organized attempt to do more than that with the HS team as a groupin my circle. But if a player is coached by the same coach in HS and club there can be a lot of interaction with the player coach in various traning session, pick up games and summer tournaments.

Every town's captain's practices are run differently based on the town custom and the particular captains. Where I am from there are summer pick-up leagues for HS age players and they play a set schedule with 15 or so of the surrounding towns. In our town the invites go out to all on the distribution list of the returning varsity, JV and frosh teams and 8th graders are welcome but need identify themselves to get on the list. In practicality most of the players turn out to be incoming frosh and older players who feel they need the boost their ability to make the team. The coach does send out an email making people aware of the summer league but not more than that. The attendance usually is between 14 and 35-40 for the various games.

Other towns do it differently - one town only invites the players who are on varsity and likely to make vartsity. They in effect play with each other all summer and usually have great HS seasons.

Cujo
06-27-2007, 12:32 PM
Onthree,Fred,Cujo,need a little advice on what constitutes crossing the line for a H.S. coach.What are the rules for contact between a coach and a player over the summer?Can a player be punished for not playing in a H.S. league over the summer?Rules on Captains practice?Not trying to start the annual H.S. vs. Club thread, was hoping this situation would go away but it seems to be getting to the point where I may have to step in and would like to know whats allowed and what is not.

The short answer is no a coach cannot be involved in any way in a captains practice or any organized activity in any practice or game that includes more than 50% of their bonafide players. They cannot sit in the stands and observe a capts practice. They can attend summer league games as a fan. Nor can they punish players for not playing in summer leagues or attending captains practice. You can contact your players during the summer to check in with them and let them know what the August schedule is going to be (i.e first practice dates, get your physical etc etc) but you cannot direct them as to what you want them to do. You cannot even give them a training regimen. You get around that by meeting with your team after the season and letting them know what is expected in terms of conditioning prior to the start of the following season.

Now here is reality. For players on the cusp of starting and/or making the team, avoiding captains practices and not picking up a soccer ball from November to August is a sure way to get cut. As a coach I never took into account whether they attended capts practices or not and I never asked who showed up or didnt just how many showed up if my Capts called me to chat. I always ran my teams are pure meritocracies. The best 11 started regardless of age or past experience with me or whether I went to the family cookouts over the summer. The next 3 to 4 got spot duty based on game situations, injuries, playing system considerations etc. The last several spots were players who chose to be on the team but knew playing time would be limited. I had a number of players on my team who worked 50 hours a week as life guards and camp counselors and could not participate in anything. To hold that against them would be unethical and unfair on my part.

That being said there are many coaches that I am aware of that either willfully or via ignorance violated the MIAA rules and it really sucked. They had an unfair edge on those of us who played by the rules and it always left parents wondering if their kid got cut because they went on family vacation in early August. The coaches skirted the ethical line so delicately that their was enough gray area to make it hard to tell what actually happened.

I worked closely with a coach in the Middlesex league and I swapped teams during the summer. I would train his kids and he would train mine or coach them the same way indoors. Our MAPLE teams were usually made up of kids from 4 to 5 high schools. Since the ratio of our players was under 50% we both could be on the sidelines. In the odd occassion that the numbers did not work out one of us would go stand on the parents side. You never know who is watching.

Cujo
06-27-2007, 12:45 PM
I'm interested in this topic too -- any HS coaches out there?

Our HS coach made clear at the intro meeting earlier this month that he would not be able to be in contact with them or watch any practices or anything until the official start date at end of August. I have heard he really sticks by that policy.

Also how do the "Captains practices" actually work? Does every player who signed up to play soccer somehow get an invitation to these or are they supposed to find out through the grapevine, or do the captains just invite who they want to?

My Capts would contact all the players they knew were interested. I would also talk to prospective incoming students and answer questions during our school's two open houses and introduce them to the Capts. Because I coached town soccer from one of the towns that we drew players from - many of the parents and players knew me anyway.

06-27-2007, 12:52 PM
You cannot even give them a training regimen. You get around that by meeting with your team after the season and letting them know what is expected in terms of conditioning prior to the start of the following season.

I actually thought this was one thing that MIAA allowed you to do as a coach, provide the players with a conditioning program for over the summer to help them get in shape for highschool season.

what if the captains ask for help with conditioning?

Cujo
06-27-2007, 01:00 PM
You cannot even give them a training regimen. You get around that by meeting with your team after the season and letting them know what is expected in terms of conditioning prior to the start of the following season.

I actually thought this was one thing that MIAA allowed you to do as a coach, provide the players with a conditioning program for over the summer to help them get in shape for highschool season.

what if the captains ask for help with conditioning?

I should clarify. You can provide them with a training program but cannot require it. If a player initiates a phone call I am not aware of any rule that prohibits you from speaking with them.

soccerlimo
06-27-2007, 01:26 PM
Thank you Cujo.

Cujo
06-27-2007, 01:39 PM
Thank you Cujo.

You are welcome - good luck this season..........

onthree
06-28-2007, 06:15 AM
I've scanned this thread, and it looks like the original question has been answered accurately.

Here's another thought: Find out whether the high school coach really "punishes" student-athletes for opting not to participate in high school summer league and/or captains' practices. In years past, I have heard about how the coach at my town's high school picks the varsity. I have heard that a player must play high school summer league and must attend the "prep camp" that is held the week before try-outs. Thing is, I'm the coach, and I have never picked my team based on participation in off-season activity! So, sometimes the best thing to do is to speak directly with the coach to get the straight scoop. If your high school coach says that participation in off-season activity is REQUIRED, then you have a reason to speak with the athletic director and/or the MIAA.

Bottom line: If the coach follows the rules as defined by the MIAA, there should be no issue. IMO, coaches (at schools governed by the MIAA) who take notes on clipboards at high school summer league games or who take attendance at captains' practices or conditioning sessions are bullies.

Cujo
06-28-2007, 10:56 AM
I've scanned this thread, and it looks like the original question has been answered accurately.

Here's another thought: Find out whether the high school coach really "punishes" student-athletes for opting not to participate in high school summer league and/or captains' practices. In years past, I have heard about how the coach at my town's high school picks the varsity. I have heard that a player must play high school summer league and must attend the "prep camp" that is held the week before try-outs. Thing is, I'm the coach, and I have never picked my team based on participation in off-season activity! So, sometimes the best thing to do is to speak directly with the coach to get the straight scoop. If your high school coach says that participation in off-season activity is REQUIRED, then you have a reason to speak with the athletic director and/or the MIAA.

Bottom line: If the coach follows the rules as defined by the MIAA, there should be no issue. IMO, coaches (at schools governed by the MIAA) who take notes on clipboards at high school summer league games or who take attendance at captains' practices or conditioning sessions are bullies.

Sometimes it is parents that spread these rumours. The reality is that the players that are the most motivated and dedicated to soccer are more likely to participate in these activities and are therefore the better players and more likely to make the team and / or start. When I took over the HS team where I formerly coached, I had junior and seniors that did zero work in the offseason that came into training camp out of shape and not having touched a soccer ball for 8 months. Some got cut - some got limited playing time. The parents of these players were P.O.'d that they gotten beaten out for starting slots by hungrier and to be frank, underclassmen who were much better players. The fact that this happened had nothing to do with capts practices or summer leagues. As I stated earlier, my HS teams were a pure meritocracy. You earned your slot each year. To the untrained - unobjective eye of the parents there appeared to be a connection to the off-season activity while in fact, none existed.

06-28-2007, 01:11 PM
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onthree wrote:
I've scanned this thread, and it looks like the original question has been answered accurately.

Here's another thought: Find out whether the high school coach really "punishes" student-athletes for opting not to participate in high school summer league and/or captains' practices. In years past, I have heard about how the coach at my town's high school picks the varsity. I have heard that a player must play high school summer league and must attend the "prep camp" that is held the week before try-outs. Thing is, I'm the coach, and I have never picked my team based on participation in off-season activity! So, sometimes the best thing to do is to speak directly with the coach to get the straight scoop. If your high school coach says that participation in off-season activity is REQUIRED, then you have a reason to speak with the athletic director and/or the MIAA.

Bottom line: If the coach follows the rules as defined by the MIAA, there should be no issue. IMO, coaches (at schools governed by the MIAA) who take notes on clipboards at high school summer league games or who take attendance at captains' practices or conditioning sessions are bullies.


Sometimes it is parents that spread these rumours. The reality is that the players that are the most motivated and dedicated to soccer are more likely to participate in these activities and are therefore the better players and more likely to make the team and / or start. When I took over the HS team where I formerly coached, I had junior and seniors that did zero work in the offseason that came into training camp out of shape and not having touched a soccer ball for 8 months. Some got cut - some got limited playing time. The parents of these players were P.O.'d that they gotten beaten out for starting slots by hungrier and to be frank, underclassmen who were much better players. The fact that this happened had nothing to do with capts practices or summer leagues. As I stated earlier, my HS teams were a pure meritocracy. You earned your slot each year. To the untrained - unobjective eye of the parents there appeared to be a connection to the off-season activity while in fact, none existed.

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I with Cujo on this one. It's not so much the attendance but quality of work that the player put in during the offseason. I seriously doubt a coach will have much negative to say to an athlete who comes into camp knowing their assignments and in shape. About the only thing that could be criticized would be their lack of participation in the team building that is a big part of these summer activites. That said, I myself would almost always choose the player who came into camp in shape over one who went to the workouts and wasted their time there.

onthree
06-28-2007, 02:20 PM
Right on.

06-28-2007, 08:17 PM
Can I expand this to College. My son incoming recruit, He ws told there will be captains practice after the 4th. He is working out and working. The captains practices will conflict with job which he needs to pay for school. How important is College Captains? And does the same hold true about not being held against you and can the College coach have any contact. D3 school
Thanks for any insight

Cujo
06-28-2007, 08:42 PM
Can I expand this to College. My son incoming recruit, He ws told there will be captains practice after the 4th. He is working out and working. The captains practices will conflict with job which he needs to pay for school. How important is College Captains? And does the same hold true about not being held against you and can the College coach have any contact. D3 school
Thanks for any insight

My daughters college team had them but they were for returning players. The coach brought the freshman in mid-August per NCAA rules. This was D3 mind you so it all depends on the school and the coach. As in HS college coaches have limitations on off-season contact with players. This is not to say that a coach could have a discreet conversation with the captains to find out who showed up and who did not. In some respects I think it is harder for college coaches to hold this against players who may be spread out geographically. Half of my daughters teammates lived two or more states away.

ggrevisited
06-28-2007, 08:56 PM
I will get the definite answer from my dusty D3 rules book on Monday when I return from regionals, but I'm almost 100% sure that these summer events can not be mandatory. I'm not even sure they can happen; the D3 restrictions on "out of season athletically related activities" are are very tight.

We don't do them, but we do provide all players, including incoming freshmen, with a summer conditioning program. Some follow it to the letter, some hire a trainer or do a program like HPS or Boyle's, etc...either way the end result, showing up in shape, is more important than how they get to that point.

By the way, the reason we don't do them is because the girls need to get off campus and away from each other, in my opinion, during the summer. I want them to spend time with their family, work and make some money, do whatever they can't during the school year...that way they are fresh and ready to focus when pre-season rolls around.

Red99
06-29-2007, 09:30 AM
Cujo I have to disagree with you on the high school coach issue - I know of quite a few cases where varsity coaches turned in their players for either attending a club/premier/non-high school event (even though they did not miss anything related to said varsity team). I also know of a few varsity coaches who have turned in players on other teams...sometimes it's the same sport (fall varsity soccer player attending a fall practice with their club team) and sometimes, more often in the winter/spring when club events conflict with basketball and softball.

You seem to paint club soccer with a wide brush; I do not want to do the same for high school coaches, but there are as many issues with ethics and coaches not doing the right thing by the kids in that forum as well. You must've been lucky enough (and smart enough) to work with the better of the bunch.

someone wrote this in another thread, thought I'd move it here and ask this question: I thought the rule was that as long as there was no actual conflict with any practice, game or other team event, the player could participate during the season in other things (if they have the energy).... so I don't understand the bolded language above?

Cujo
06-29-2007, 10:20 AM
Cujo I have to disagree with you on the high school coach issue - I know of quite a few cases where varsity coaches turned in their players for either attending a club/premier/non-high school event (even though they did not miss anything related to said varsity team). I also know of a few varsity coaches who have turned in players on other teams...sometimes it's the same sport (fall varsity soccer player attending a fall practice with their club team) and sometimes, more often in the winter/spring when club events conflict with basketball and softball.

You seem to paint club soccer with a wide brush; I do not want to do the same for high school coaches, but there are as many issues with ethics and coaches not doing the right thing by the kids in that forum as well. You must've been lucky enough (and smart enough) to work with the better of the bunch.

That is because most of the coaches that I associated with were both club and HS coaches. I made it clear to my players that their primary responsibility was to their HS team during the season and that if they missed a practice or game for a club event (of any sport) that they would be subject to sanctions. I saw no benefit to cracking the aggies of a player who practiced with me from 4 to 6 went home ate dinner and practiced AAU basketball later that night. Hence, don't ask - don't tell. I did have a discussion with our HS basketball coach who sent his players to an AAU coach who was telling my players to miss my practices and games. That is a different animal though. My problem was with the AAU coach who was unaware that she was putting our mutual players into a sticky wicket.
someone wrote this in another thread, thought I'd move it here and ask this question: I thought the rule was that as long as there was no actual conflict with any practice, game or other team event, the player could participate during the season in other things (if they have the energy).... so I don't understand the bolded language above?

Cujo
06-29-2007, 10:21 AM
Cujo I have to disagree with you on the high school coach issue - I know of quite a few cases where varsity coaches turned in their players for either attending a club/premier/non-high school event (even though they did not miss anything related to said varsity team). I also know of a few varsity coaches who have turned in players on other teams...sometimes it's the same sport (fall varsity soccer player attending a fall practice with their club team) and sometimes, more often in the winter/spring when club events conflict with basketball and softball.

You seem to paint club soccer with a wide brush; I do not want to do the same for high school coaches, but there are as many issues with ethics and coaches not doing the right thing by the kids in that forum as well. You must've been lucky enough (and smart enough) to work with the better of the bunch.

someone wrote this in another thread, thought I'd move it here and ask this question: I thought the rule was that as long as there was no actual conflict with any practice, game or other team event, the player could participate during the season in other things (if they have the energy).... so I don't understand the bolded language above?

That is because most of the coaches that I associated with were both club and HS coaches. I made it clear to my players that their primary responsibility was to their HS team during the season and that if they missed a practice or game for a club event (of any sport) that they would be subject to sanctions. I saw no benefit to cracking the aggies of a player who practiced with me from 4 to 6 went home ate dinner and practiced AAU basketball later that night. Hence, don't ask - don't tell. I did have a discussion with our HS basketball coach who sent his players to an AAU coach who was telling my players to miss my practices and games. That is a different animal though. My problem was with the AAU coach who was unaware that she was putting our mutual players into a sticky wicket.

(Sorry about the formatting problems - durrrrr!!!)

Cujo
06-29-2007, 10:22 AM
Cujo I have to disagree with you on the high school coach issue - I know of quite a few cases where varsity coaches turned in their players for either attending a club/premier/non-high school event (even though they did not miss anything related to said varsity team). I also know of a few varsity coaches who have turned in players on other teams...sometimes it's the same sport (fall varsity soccer player attending a fall practice with their club team) and sometimes, more often in the winter/spring when club events conflict with basketball and softball.

You seem to paint club soccer with a wide brush; I do not want to do the same for high school coaches, but there are as many issues with ethics and coaches not doing the right thing by the kids in that forum as well. You must've been lucky enough (and smart enough) to work with the better of the bunch.


someone wrote this in another thread, thought I'd move it here and ask this question: I thought the rule was that as long as there was no actual conflict with any practice, game or other team event, the player could participate during the season in other things (if they have the energy).... so I don't understand the bolded language above?

They are prohibited from participating in an offseason event on a day that they have a bonafide commitment. Hence don't ask don't tell....

Red99
06-29-2007, 10:41 AM
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They are prohibited from participating in an offseason event on a day that they have a bonafide commitment. Hence don't ask don't tell....

So even if the event do not conflict time-wise, if they have a HS soccer game at 4:00 and an AAU basketball practice at 7:30, you are saying that the MIAA rules say they cannot attend the basketball practice after they have played in the soccer game, gone home, showered and eaten dinner?? (Let's assume it's a Friday and they don't have homework, ha ha).

Cujo
06-29-2007, 11:06 AM
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They are prohibited from participating in an offseason event on a day that they have a bonafide commitment. Hence don't ask don't tell....

So even if the event do not conflict time-wise, if they have a HS soccer game at 4:00 and an AAU basketball practice at 7:30, you are saying that the MIAA rules say they cannot attend the basketball practice after they have played in the soccer game, gone home, showered and eaten dinner?? (Let's assume it's a Friday and they don't have homework, ha ha).

Thems the rules. Nuts ain't it? I guess their logic is that students lives are busy enough with: 1) school & 2) HS sports and there should be nothing else that impact 1 & 2.

06-29-2007, 11:41 AM
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They are prohibited from participating in an offseason event on a day that they have a bonafide commitment. Hence don't ask don't tell....

So even if the event do not conflict time-wise, if they have a HS soccer game at 4:00 and an AAU basketball practice at 7:30, you are saying that the MIAA rules say they cannot attend the basketball practice after they have played in the soccer game, gone home, show ered and eaten dinner?? (Let's assume it's a Friday and they don't have homework, ha ha).

Thems the rules. Nuts ain't it? I guess their logic is that students lives are busy enough with: 1) school & 2) HS sports and there should be nothing else that impact 1 & 2.

Cujo - the situation as you describe it was changed some time ago.

Here is the bona fide rule from the MIAA website.


MIAA Handbook July 1, 2007 – June 30, 2009
42
PART IV: RULES AFFECTING AN INDIVIDUAL
STUDENT-ATHLETE OR COACH
45. Loyalty to the High School Team: Bona Fide Team Members
A bona fide member of the school team is a student who is consistently present for,
and actively participates in, all high school team sessions (e.g. practices, tryouts,
competitions). Bona fide members of a school team are precluded from missing a high
school practice or competition in order to participate in a non-school athletic
activity/event in any sport recognized by the MIAA. First Offense: Student athlete
is suspended for 25% of the season (see chart on Rule 62). Second Offense:
Student athlete is suspended for an additional 25% of the season, and is
ineligible for tournament play immediately upon confirmation of the
violation. See Rule 96 for additional tournament restriction and Rule 86 for waiver
guidelines.

Cujo
06-29-2007, 12:10 PM
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They are prohibited from participating in an offseason event on a day that they have a bonafide commitment. Hence don't ask don't tell....

So even if the event do not conflict time-wise, if they have a HS soccer game at 4:00 and an AAU basketball practice at 7:30, you are saying that the MIAA rules say they cannot attend the basketball practice after they have played in the soccer game, gone home, show ered and eaten dinner?? (Let's assume it's a Friday and they don't have homework, ha ha).

Thems the rules. Nuts ain't it? I guess their logic is that students lives are busy enough with: 1) school & 2) HS sports and there should be nothing else that impact 1 & 2.

Cujo - the situation as you describe it was changed some time ago.

Here is the bona fide rule from the MIAA website.


MIAA Handbook July 1, 2007 – June 30, 2009
42
PART IV: RULES AFFECTING AN INDIVIDUAL
STUDENT-ATHLETE OR COACH
45. Loyalty to the High School Team: Bona Fide Team Members
A bona fide member of the school team is a student who is consistently present for,
and actively participates in, all high school team sessions (e.g. practices, tryouts,
competitions). Bona fide members of a school team are precluded from missing a high
school practice or competition in order to participate in a non-school athletic
activity/event in any sport recognized by the MIAA. First Offense: Student athlete
is suspended for 25% of the season (see chart on Rule 62). Second Offense:
Student athlete is suspended for an additional 25% of the season, and is
ineligible for tournament play immediately upon confirmation of the
violation. See Rule 96 for additional tournament restriction and Rule 86 for waiver
guidelines.

You may be right - The last blue book I read was for the 05 season. Sometimes though you have to scour the whole book as there are sometimes regs that cover different parts of it. You are probably right though and it is a good change as it makes sense.

onthree
06-29-2007, 12:43 PM
The "new" rule allows a student-athlete to participate in both as long as there is no direct conflict with the HS team.

teskicks
06-29-2007, 03:07 PM
This was the rule when my son was playing from 2001-2004. You could do other sports outside of scholl as long as there was no direct time conflict.

Red99
06-29-2007, 03:53 PM
Same points made in the "middle school and MIAA" thread apply here as well though.... overuse causes injuries in HS too. I was asking the "same day" question out of curiosity, mostly, we wouldn't let our kids do 2 sports in one season anyway, unless maybe it's a supplementary strength training, or something. Or skiing or swimming just for fun! One of our kids has played only club soccer (not town/travel or Middle School) since 6th grade for exactly that reason. It was hard to miss out on the town stuff for about a minute, but that didn't last long.

Doesn't the sport the player is participating in outside of HS have to be a sport that is offered at the high school in order for the MIAA rules to kick in? For example, if the player is nursing an injury and wants to go to strength training instead of a practice to work on non-injured areas, and the coach thinks that's a good idea, wouldn't this be okay? How about playing futsal in the winter while being on HS indoor track team -- futsal is not a HS sport, so if the coach didn't care, would the athlete be breaking rules to miss a practice to go to a futsal tournament? Clearly a club spring soccer tournament interfering with HS lacrosse would not be okay, but what about these scenarios.... is MIAA that controlling?

Blue Devil
06-29-2007, 06:02 PM
Red,

The bona fide rule says that you cannot miss a practice or game of your high school sport to participate in the practice, game, meet etc. of another team, club.rganization etc. unless you get a waiver from the MIAA to do so.

So in your examples the strenth training/recuperation would not be an MIAA violation; but the futsal team game would be one.

ggrevisited
07-02-2007, 10:11 AM
Defender1...back to your question...

According the the D3 rules per NCAA, practices MUST be strictly voluntary outside of the regular or non-traditional (spring) season. No attendance is to be kept, no information from sessions can be reported back to the coach, no penalty can be imposed for student-athletes not attending.

That's the rule, but I'm sure as with HS it gets broken.

07-02-2007, 08:32 PM
Thank You. It does help in the sense he will try to be there there when he can and not obsess when he can't.

If he can make a couple that will be good for bonding with the team and he shoud worry less about the coach is my advice.

Thanks.

07-02-2007, 08:32 PM
Thank You. It does help in the sense he will try to be there there when he can and not obsess when he can't.

If he can make a couple that will be good for bonding with the team and he shoud worry less about the coach is my advice.

Thanks.

07-02-2007, 08:33 PM
Thank You. It does help in the sense he will try to be there there when he can and not obsess when he can't.

If he can make a couple that will be good for bonding with the team and he shoud worry less about the coach is my advice.

Thanks.

07-02-2007, 08:36 PM
Sorry -- I wish this darn thing defaulted to user name. What I also meant in terms of the coach is that I feel captains practice is more about fostering team relationships and the coach may get a report but my son should concentrate getting in shape =, going when he can and be ready for pre-season That is what the coach will notice....