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in the know
06-15-2007, 08:51 AM
http://www.region1.com/NatlChamp/Schedules/schedule.htm

Susy Soccer
06-15-2007, 08:59 AM
Geez - second year in the row Mass state champs have had a really tough group. Last year GU14s had the premier league champion, DE and NJ. This year whoever the GU15 state champ is will have the premier league champion and North division runner up!

06-15-2007, 10:21 AM
U16 boys lucked out - RI, VT and WV!

06-15-2007, 10:23 AM
Why don't they seed this tournament rather than use a random draw? Do they use this approach in all regions.

SoftGround
06-15-2007, 10:39 AM
Why don't they seed this tournament rather than use a random draw? Do they use this approach in all regions.

Because there are no common criteria with which to seed.

06-15-2007, 10:42 AM
MA GU17 is in the group of death, Maryland, NJ, and ENY.

06-15-2007, 10:42 AM
Why don't they seed this tournament rather than use a random draw? Do they use this approach in all regions.

Because there are no common criteria with which to seed.

they need a Universal Mathman.

06-15-2007, 10:44 AM
Why don't they seed this tournament rather than use a random draw? Do they use this approach in all regions.

Because there are no common criteria with which to seed.

they need a Universal Mathman.

Would such an individual wear a cape, and have a spandex uniform with a big "M" on the front?

06-15-2007, 12:29 PM
http://www.region1.com/NatlChamp/Schedules/schedule.htm

Has anyone but me noticed the dates on the Region 1 website are wrong? My calendar lists that Friday as June 29, Saturday June 30 & Sunday as July 1st. So when do the games begin; Friday June 29, or Saturday June 30???

06-15-2007, 01:11 PM
http://www.region1.com/NatlChamp/Schedules/schedule.htm

Has anyone but me noticed the dates on the Region 1 website are wrong? My calendar lists that Friday as June 29, Saturday June 30 & Sunday as July 1st. So when do the games begin; Friday June 29, or Saturday June 30???

There's one group game per day on tjhe 29th, 30, 1st. Semi-finals are the 2nd. Finals on the 3rd.

06-15-2007, 03:20 PM
Why don't they seed this tournament rather than use a random draw? Do they use this approach in all regions.

Because there are no common criteria with which to seed.



This doesn't seem to prevent virtually every other youth soccer tournament from seeding teams......

06-15-2007, 03:32 PM
Why don't they seed this tournament rather than use a random draw? Do they use this approach in all regions.

Because there are no common criteria with which to seed.



This doesn't seem to prevent virtually every other youth soccer tournament from seeding teams......

I think it is in part because when it comes to big decsions, like changing the way the championships are run, USYSA is like the US Senate. Each state gets equal voting. Let's face it, the only way that certain states have any real chance to progress into the semis is to be in a group with three other little states. This means that you occasionally get groups of NJ, Premier league and Virginia together. Unfair for sure. Imagine having a group of NJ, Virginia, RI and Vermont. In the first game Friday morning NJ beats Virginia 1-0. Virginia's tourney is then over. The better option would be to let certain states have two entrants and have to play Maine, W Virginia, W Penn ect. in a play in game.

mathman
06-15-2007, 05:01 PM
Why don't they seed this tournament rather than use a random draw? Do they use this approach in all regions.

Because there are no common criteria with which to seed.

they need a Universal Mathman.

Would such an individual wear a cape, and have a spandex uniform with a big "M" on the front?

Don't forget the mask and the thigh-high boots...

More seriously, I don't think any of the regions seed. However, Region IV does do something the other Regions don't: they have quarterfinals, so the top *two* teams in each group advance. That makes the seeding less of an issue (though it doesn't completely remove it: in GU14, the two top-rated teams in the country, Arsenal and Slammers, both from SoCal, are in the same group). It seems like a much fairer way to do it.

06-15-2007, 05:22 PM
Why don't they seed this tournament rather than use a random draw? Do they use this approach in all regions.

Because there are no common criteria with which to seed.



This doesn't seem to prevent virtually every other youth soccer tournament from seeding teams......

I think it is in part because when it comes to big decsions, like changing the way the championships are run, USYSA is like the US Senate. Each state gets equal voting. Let's face it, the only way that certain states have any real chance to progress into the semis is to be in a group with three other little states. This means that you occasionally get groups of NJ, Premier league and Virginia together. Unfair for sure. Imagine having a group of NJ, Virginia, RI and Vermont. In the first game Friday morning NJ beats Virginia 1-0. Virginia's tourney is then over. The better option would be to let certain states have two entrants and have to play Maine, W Virginia, W Penn ect. in a play in game.

This aint never gonna happen, but it would create a tournament where you had 16 teams with at least some shot at winning the entire thing. I hope our cousins from down east or Appalachia aint looking in but lets face it Maine, Vermont and W Virginia don't stand any chance from the get go. Yet teams from New Jersey, Eatstern PA, Virginia, Maryland and yes sometimes Mass. are left home despite having a legitimate shot to win the whole enchillada - sorry thats Region 4!

keeper
06-15-2007, 06:09 PM
Why don't they seed this tournament rather than use a random draw? Do they use this approach in all regions.

It's not random. Like Rider the region is divided into tier 1, 2,and 3. The tier 3 States are spread amoung the groupings. The tier 3 States include MA, NH, VT, ME and RI. The lucky group gets two of the five. It's been that way for a long time.




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FSM
06-15-2007, 09:02 PM
I think it is in part because when it comes to big decsions, like changing the way the championships are run, USYSA is like the US Senate. Each state gets equal voting. Let's face it, the only way that certain states have any real chance to progress into the semis is to be in a group with three other little states. This means that you occasionally get groups of NJ, Premier league and Virginia together. Unfair for sure. Imagine having a group of NJ, Virginia, RI and Vermont. In the first game Friday morning NJ beats Virginia 1-0. Virginia's tourney is then over. The better option would be to let certain states have two entrants and have to play Maine, W Virginia, W Penn ect. in a play in game.

This aint never gonna happen, but it would create a tournament where you had 16 teams with at least some shot at winning the entire thing. I hope our cousins from down east or Appalachia aint looking in but lets face it Maine, Vermont and W Virginia don't stand any chance from the get go. Yet teams from New Jersey, Eatstern PA, Virginia, Maryland and yes sometimes Mass. are left home despite having a legitimate shot to win the whole enchillada - sorry thats Region 4![/quote]

I do believe a West Virginia team actually did quite well last year. Things change, including the competitiveness of teams from Mass. The issue they have in Region 4 is that 10 So Cal teams are quite capable of beating almost every other state in the Region. Those from So Cal indicate their State Cups are much harder to win than are Regionals. Region 1 league may be harder to win then is Regional Championship.

06-16-2007, 05:48 AM
Why don't they seed this tournament rather than use a random draw? Do they use this approach in all regions.

It's not random. Like Rider the region is divided into tier 1, 2,and 3. The tier 3 States are spread amoung the groupings. The tier 3 States include MA, NH, VT, ME and RI. The lucky group gets two of the five. It's been that way for a long time.




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Not according to the intro letter on the Region 1 web site:

The Championship Committe conducted the blind draw for the groupings during the US Youth Soccer Workshops in St. Louis on March 2nd. The scheduling format is the same as it has been in the past, based on the luck of the draw for the groupings.

06-16-2007, 08:34 AM
Why don't they seed this tournament rather than use a random draw? Do they use this approach in all regions.It's not random. Like Rider the region is divided into tier 1, 2,and 3. The tier 3 States are spread amoung the groupings. The tier 3 States include MA, NH, VT, ME and RI. The lucky group gets two of the five. It's been that way for a long time..
Not according to the intro letter on the Region 1 web site:
The Championship Committe conducted the blind draw for the groupings during the US Youth Soccer Workshops in St. Louis on March 2nd. The scheduling format is the same as it has been in the past, based on the luck of the draw for the groupings.

Right. That's why these five States are always evenly distributed across the four groups and with one double. It's random.

Mathman, what are the odds of that happening every year and in all age
groups?

06-16-2007, 02:00 PM
Right. That's why these five States are always evenly distributed across the four groups and with one double. It's random.

Mathman, what are the odds of that happening every year and in all age
groups?[/quote]

That's not the case in U15G. ME, NH & WV in one bracket with PAW.

06-16-2007, 08:10 PM
I think it is in part because when it comes to big decsions, like changing the way the championships are run, USYSA is like the US Senate. Each state gets equal voting. Let's face it, the only way that certain states have any real chance to progress into the semis is to be in a group with three other little states. This means that you occasionally get groups of NJ, Premier league and Virginia together. Unfair for sure. Imagine having a group of NJ, Virginia, RI and Vermont. In the first game Friday morning NJ beats Virginia 1-0. Virginia's tourney is then over. The better option would be to let certain states have two entrants and have to play Maine, W Virginia, W Penn ect. in a play in game.

This aint never gonna happen, but it would create a tournament where you had 16 teams with at least some shot at winning the entire thing. I hope our cousins from down east or Appalachia aint looking in but lets face it Maine, Vermont and W Virginia don't stand any chance from the get go. Yet teams from New Jersey, Eatstern PA, Virginia, Maryland and yes sometimes Mass. are left home despite having a legitimate shot to win the whole enchillada - sorry thats Region 4!

I do believe a West Virginia team actually did quite well last year. Things change, including the competitiveness of teams from Mass. The issue they have in Region 4 is that 10 So Cal teams are quite capable of beating almost every other state in the Region. Those from So Cal indicate their State Cups are much harder to win than are Regionals. Region 1 league may be harder to win then is Regional Championship.[/quote]

West Virginia got one team through to the semis last year in U13 G and the group was NYW, Delaware abd a second RI team - by no means the iron. That same WVteam failed to win a game in the Director's League this spring.

Susy Soccer
06-18-2007, 05:14 AM
The GU14 draw is out. Stars parents had joked around that if the team won state cup, the draw would probably be worse for the Mass State champ than for the Premier League wildcard. As it ended up that wasn't true.

Group B
Massachusetts
New Hampshire (Seacoast United)
Premier League - NJ (Pasco)
West Virginia (WV Chaos)

06-18-2007, 06:57 AM
Does not look like any of the girl's teams got an easy draw. 13s, 15s and 18s got particularly difficult pairings. 16 and 17s will need to come up with at least one upset win to advance. The 14s have a very tough first opponent on Friday. 17s draw seems to be the most intriguing in that the ENY state champ is from the same club (East Meadow) as the Director's league winner and the NJ champ was an upset winner over PDA. Anyone have any info on potential field conditions? I'm sure it won't be like Lancaster down there!

onthree
06-18-2007, 07:17 AM
I checked out the site map of the Falmouth High School fields. I believe I recall three of those fields overlap baseball infields! Check it out at the Region I website.

06-18-2007, 08:08 AM
I checked out the site map of the Falmouth High School fields. I believe I recall three of those fields overlap baseball infields! Check it out at the Region I website.

If that is true - what a shame. I understand that events like this can mean an awful lot to a local economy (I think the USYSA web site says that the regional tourneys will contribute on average about $10M to each host's local economy). However, I would be interested in knowing the selection criteria and method. To award this to Maine, and then have the participation venues be sub-standard (and yes I believe that fields that overlap into baseball diamonds are sub-standard) is ridiculous. Certainly both teams are equally impacted by such conditions, but considering the fields are already spread over three diverse sites, you couldn't at least find true soccer fields??

onthree
06-18-2007, 08:20 AM
Perhaps they'll sod the basepaths?

Hammer
06-18-2007, 11:20 AM
for those who were curiuos

http://www.region1.com/NatlChamp/SiteIn ... School.pdf (http://www.region1.com/NatlChamp/SiteInfo/FalmouthHighSchool.pdf)