womens NLI signing day

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Feb. 2 is the day for the women too.

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thanks mom

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Please start posting the college press releases as they are put out.

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Please start posting the college press releases as they are put out.

Why so the forum can bash these girls? Thanks but no thanks.

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Why so the forum can bash these girls? Thanks but no thanks.

people are going to know anyway, so why be secretive about it? are you seriously afraid of an unknown poster bashing a kid on their college choice? if so then that is sad becuase the player should be proud of his/her choice and not care what others say.

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people are going to know anyway, so why be secretive about it? are you seriously afraid of an unknown poster bashing a kid on their college choice? if so then that is sad becuase the player should be proud of his/her choice and not care what others say.

OK, name YOUR kid and the club she plays for.

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Best of luck and congratulations to all of the ladies. Their hard work has paid off.

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OK, name YOUR kid and the club she plays for.

i wouldn't do that because i would reveal who i am and i don't want people on this forum to know for privacy reasons. my daughter is listed on espn rise commitments and i have no problem if the globe or herald publishes a list of where girls are going to play college. maybe you should tell your daughter's college coach to omit her name when the college announces its recruiting class if you're afraid of her getting "bashed." that would make a lot of sense

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i wouldn't do that because i would reveal who i am and i don't want people on this forum to know for privacy reasons. my daughter is listed on espn rise commitments and i have no problem if the globe or herald publishes a list of where girls are going to play college. maybe you should tell your daughter's college coach to omit her name when the college announces its recruiting class if you're afraid of her getting "bashed." that would make a lot of sense

I know this may be difficult for you to comprehend, but I have no problem with things be listed by the colleges or the newspapers. The problem is strictly having it listed in this forum where dopes like you will turn just about any post into an argument.

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I know this may be difficult for you to comprehend, but I have no problem with things be listed by the colleges or the newspapers. The problem is strictly having it listed in this forum where dopes like you will turn just about any post into an argument.

i'd prefer to have my daughter's college college commitment posted on this forum so when she gets bashed or reads posts from idiots like yourself, she will realize that ignorant and sloppy is no way to go through life.

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i'd prefer to have my daughter's college college commitment posted on this forum so when she gets bashed or reads posts from idiots like yourself, she will realize that ignorant and sloppy is no way to go through life.

The quote is actually - Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life.

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What girls are signing their letters of intent today from MA who will be on the live feed on topdrawersocccer?

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What girls are signing their letters of intent today from MA who will be on the live feed on topdrawersocccer?

Is anyone anywhere in the country not affected by this storm?

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Are they not doing it today then?

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Are they not doing it today then?

Football players were able to do it throughout the country all morning. The weather makes it more difficult, but NLI day was not canceled.

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For womens soccer, the school will send the Letters out prior to the Feb 2 signing date. That way each player will have the required forms available to them to sign today. Some High Schools will have a little ceremony for their signing players, other players will just sign the docs privately and send them back. Often a school will ask the player to fax the signed docs back today so they can be sure of their incoming class. Within the next few days you will start to see schools release their recruit class information. Players have two weeks to sign and return their NLIs, so most programs will release their class info by mid Feb.

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http://www.elonphoenix.com/news/2011/2/2/WSOC_0202110012.aspx

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http://www.elonphoenix.com/news/2011/2/2/WSOC_0202110012.aspx

I like how they twist the facts.

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I like how they twist the facts.

How so?

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I like how they twist the facts.

I'm assuming your snippy comment is in reference to the Mass. player's background who's going to Elon? If so, stop being such a jerk. You sound like a disgruntled player who's daughter didn't get recruited.

Let the girls enjoy their moment of glory, and quit being such a "Debbie Downer." Elon's a great school and I'm sure the Mass player will love it there.

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Why so the forum can bash these girls? Thanks but no thanks.

Told you!

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I'm assuming your snippy comment is in reference to the Mass. player's background who's going to Elon? If so, stop being such a jerk. You sound like a disgruntled player who's daughter didn't get recruited.

Let the girls enjoy their moment of glory, and quit being such a "Debbie Downer." Elon's a great school and I'm sure the Mass player will love it there.


Elon This!

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How so?

This is probably the part that got someone's dander up.

"EC Scorpions club team that won the Jefferson Cup and Scorpions Cup in 2009."

Very poorly written press release in many ways. For starters:

1. This player played since the beginning of club soccer with the Bolts/Stars Rovers only leaving the team this past year.
2. It's the Scorpions SC not the EC Scorpions.
3. The Scorpions didn't even attend the Jefferson in 2009.

These colleges should let the players proof read what is written about them before posting.

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This is probably the part that got someone's dander up.

"EC Scorpions club team that won the Jefferson Cup and Scorpions Cup in 2009."

Very poorly written press release in many ways. For starters:

1. This player played since the beginning of club soccer with the Bolts/Stars Rovers only leaving the team this past year.
2. It's the Scorpions SC not the EC Scorpions.
3. The Scorpions didn't even attend the Jefferson in 2009.

These colleges should let the players proof read what is written about them before posting.

Where do you think the colleges get the information? They ask the kids/parents to supply the soccer bio and cut and paste it into their chosen format. What is more interesting is that Elon got their entire recruiting class to sign and return their NLIs in a matter of 18 hours. That is a good sign for them because it means that their recruits can follow directions.

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This is probably the part that got someone's dander up.

"EC Scorpions club team that won the Jefferson Cup and Scorpions Cup in 2009."

Very poorly written press release in many ways. For starters:

1. This player played since the beginning of club soccer with the Bolts/Stars Rovers only leaving the team this past year.
2. It's the Scorpions SC not the EC Scorpions.
3. The Scorpions didn't even attend the Jefferson in 2009.

These colleges should let the players proof read what is written about them before posting.

Scorpion Bowl , not Scorpion Cup

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Where do you think the colleges get the information? They ask the kids/parents to supply the soccer bio and cut and paste it into their chosen format. What is more interesting is that Elon got their entire recruiting class to sign and return their NLIs in a matter of 18 hours. That is a good sign for them because it means that their recruits can follow directions.

.. but for some reason the overall number of applications to Elon is down 6% this year ....

http://thechoice.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/31/total-apps-2011/

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Where do you think the colleges get the information? They ask the kids/parents to supply the soccer bio and cut and paste it into their chosen format. What is more interesting is that Elon got their entire recruiting class to sign and return their NLIs in a matter of 18 hours. That is a good sign for them because it means that their recruits can follow directions.

I'm pretty sure this player knows she's not playing for the EC Scorpions and would have filled out her bio with the correct information. So there couldn't have been any cutting and pasting only transcribing the wrong information.

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.. but for some reason the overall number of applications to Elon is down 6% this year ....

http://thechoice.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/31/total-apps-2011/

Colgate, Cornell, Maryland, Layfette, Rutgers, Skidmore and Wesleyan are all down too. Wasn't this the last year before HS graduation rates begin to decline? Or is that 2012? In any case, expect the higher education bubble to burst in the coming years.

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Where do you think the colleges get the information? They ask the kids/parents to supply the soccer bio and cut and paste it into their chosen format. What is more interesting is that Elon got their entire recruiting class to sign and return their NLIs in a matter of 18 hours. That is a good sign for them because it means that their recruits can follow directions.

I'd be more impressed by the fact that they got their information correct. This doesn't reflect well on the school regardless of how quickly the NLIs were returned.

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Colgate, Cornell, Maryland, Layfette, Rutgers, Skidmore and Wesleyan are all down too. Wasn't this the last year before HS graduation rates begin to decline? Or is that 2012? In any case, expect the higher education bubble to burst in the coming years.

Yup. Some went down, some went up.

I don't think the total number of students applying to college is that different but it appears that the typical student is applying to more schools. Other factors such as using the Common App, not requiring a supplemental app, lowering app fees, etc. can impact the number of apps at any particular school.

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I'm pretty sure this player knows she's not playing for the EC Scorpions and would have filled out her bio with the correct information. So there couldn't have been any cutting and pasting only transcribing the wrong information.

The E and S are next to each other on a keyboard, just a tyopo. move on

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The E and S are next to each other on a keyboard, just a tyopo. move on

Huh???? The name of the club is Scorpions SC not ES Scorpions. No typo there, my friend.

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Huh???? The name of the club is Scorpions SC not ES Scorpions. No typo there, my friend.

doy
read it again

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doy
read it again

SS Scorpions????

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The E and S are next to each other on a keyboard, just a tyopo. move on

Not on my keyboard they aren't.

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The E and S are next to each other on a keyboard, just a tyopo. move on

Tyopo???

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The E and S are next to each other on a keyboard, just a tyopo. move on
Coach Neal probably meant Elite Club=EC

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What about Yale, numbers seem low?

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So, the day has come and gone. The earth is still orbiting around the sun, although the snowfall is a little much! My "wish upon a star" (they are still there thank God!), is that all the girls who want to play college soccer enjoy these next 4 years. It should be the best soccer years of their lives!

Carpe Diem

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I want cake.

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I'd be more impressed by the fact that they got their information correct. This doesn't reflect well on the school regardless of how quickly the NLIs were returned.

You're kidding, right? Every college athletic site has typos and inaccuracies all over their player bios. Like another poster said, move on. Jealousy on this forum is overflowing; congratulations to all these ladies - enjoy your college years.

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Not on my keyboard they aren't.

Then you need a new keyboard

http://www.everythingusb.com/images/list/ms-wireless-keyboard-7000-full.jpg

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Then you need a new keyboard

http://www.everythingusb.com/images/list/ms-wireless-keyboard-7000-full.jpg

They aren't next to each other on that one either.

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http://www.uclabruins.com/sports/w-soccer/spec-rel/020411aaf.html

Monumental and huge!

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http://www.aueagles.com/sports/w-soccer/2010-11/releases/20110204

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http://www.uclabruins.com/sports/w-soccer/spec-rel/020411aaf.html

Monumental and huge!

take a look at Procter and see the "future" (for good and bad) of ultra-high end women's soccer in this country.

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take a look at Procter and see the "future" (for good and bad) of ultra-high end women's soccer in this country.

What do you mean?

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What do you mean?

probably the fact that she is home schooled, and basically avoided HS play in favor of all club and NT experience

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Georgetown Signs Eight to National Letters of Intent

Feb. 7, 2011


WASHINGTON - Georgetown University Head Women's Soccer Coach Dave Nolan announced today that eight student-athletes have signed National Letters of Intent to play on the Hilltop.

"This is a very strong group of student-athletes who will be joining our program," Nolan said. "My staff, Naomi Meiburger and Mike Calabretta, worked very hard to help bring together a group of young women we think will help us immediately and help to continue the success we've had here over the last few years."

The Hoyas are coming off the most successful season in program history, posting a 15-7-2 overall record and advancing to the Elite Eight of the NCAA Tournament. Georgetown finished the season ranked No. 18 in the country by the National Soccer Coaches Association of America (NSCAA).



Jessica Clinton (Braintree, Mass./Thayer Academy)
Jessie is a member of the Region 1 and Massachusetts Olympic Development Program. As a member of Scorpions Soccer Club, she has competed against the best teams in the country and is a three-time state champion and two-time regional champion. At the Thayer Academy, she is a three-year MVP and two-year captain. She is also a two-year NSCAA Regional High School All American.

"A clever forward blessed with great pace, Jessie has the ability to get behind and stretch defenses. She is a proven goal scorer who has scored goals at every level she played at. I am very happy to welcome Jessie to our program and expect her to have a great career at Georgetown." - Nolan


Congrats Jessie.

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What do you mean?

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The player avoided HS play and was home schooled. There have been increasing rumors that for many top end players this de-emphasis on the traditional HS route is becoming more commonplace valuable. Most of the players that are consistently featured on NTs have had non-traditional HS experiences. At a minimum the significant amount of travel (and missed class-time) has resulted in lots of make-up work and "special assignments" for credit. However, this requires plenty of support from the district and considerable effort by the player and family. Home-schooling isn't easy either, but for a player that may miss 4-6 weeks of traditional class-time during a WC year - it could become the best option!!

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For those URI fans:

http://www.gorhody.com/sports/w-soccer/spec-rel/020811aab.html

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For those URI fans:

http://www.gorhody.com/sports/w-soccer/spec-rel/020811aab.html

Sort of a strange group. First, to recruit two keepers in the same year is odd. Especially since they return an experienced keeper. Second, is the limited size of the group. Granted Needham had a very limited time to recruit, but you would have thought that a new coach that inherited a 3 win team would want a significant amount of turn-over and new blood. Finally, it is surprising that there is nothing coming in from Massachusetts. With Mass having three of the top 15 teams in R1 - at the current U18 age group - you would have thought that nearby Rhody would have a chance to land a solid Masachusetts player - or two. Even if they opted to shy away from those three teams, there were some excellent players on the next level of teams (NEFC, MPS and Azrecs) that would have been a nice fit at URI. I'd call it a missed opportunity.

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Or...Nobody ids interested in the school.

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This forum is filled with a bunch of pompous a$$hole$!

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http://www.umassathletics.com/sports/w-soccer/spec-rel/021011aab.html

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http://www.umassathletics.com/sports/w-soccer/spec-rel/021011aab.html

Where's the dope who's criticized UMass's recruiting class? This is a great recruiting class that should help push UMass up to the top of their their conference. Good luck to UMass and to these young women!

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Where's the dope who's criticized UMass's recruiting class? This is a great recruiting class that should help push UMass up to the top of their their conference. Good luck to UMass and to these young women!

I think the addition of Mattsson made a huge difference. She would appear to be a big, fast and experienced offensive threat that can change games in a league like the A-10. Getting Sousa is also a nice surprise. Obviously there were rumors that she would end up at U Mass, but this confirms it. It is always interesting to read the coach's quotes about a player. In the case of a Mattsson it is pretty clear what the expectations are. But normally I wouldn't place to much significance in what is said.

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Any way to read between the lines of the coach's comments? Some say the player should be able to compete for significant playing time this fall while for others he says they should be able to transition to Div 1 soccer or that they are big and tall.

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I think the addition of Mattsson made a huge difference. She would appear to be a big, fast and experienced offensive threat that can change games in a league like the A-10. Getting Sousa is also a nice surprise. Obviously there were rumors that she would end up at U Mass, but this confirms it. It is always interesting to read the coach's quotes about a player. In the case of a Mattsson it is pretty clear what the expectations are. But normally I wouldn't place to much significance in what is said.
So a smaller player but with great awareness and technical ability does not have the ability to be a game changer? Big and fast is what coaches want?

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So a smaller player but with great awareness and technical ability does not have the ability to be a game changer? Big and fast is what coaches want?

No, Mattsson is big and fast/ and a game changer. If Noyola or Quon decided to transfer to U Mass, they would be referred to as incredibly talented game changers with spectacular speed, poise and skills (although neither is much taller than 5'2").

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No, Mattsson is big and fast/ and a game changer. If Noyola or Quon decided to transfer to U Mass, they would be referred to as incredibly talented game changers with spectacular speed, poise and skills (although neither is much taller than 5'2").

I'm sorry but with that many Rovers it will be some ugly soccer!!!

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I'm sorry but with that many Rovers it will be some ugly soccer!!!

I don't think anyone is thinking that Mattsson is just a big physical force. By all accounts she is a very skilled performer. There are what, 3 Rovers? There are also three players from the ECNL team and a Scorp. No one accuses either of those teams of being "ugly". The College game is typically faster and more physical than club. But teams will certainly possess the ball and play "pretty" soccer when it allows them to be competitive. But one of the hardest things for some younger players in making the transition to college is the need to play multiple styles (and with different responsibilities in each game) according to each weeks game-plan. If a player cannot adapt to those needs, hey will find playing time sparse.

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I'm sorry but with that many Rovers it will be some ugly soccer!!!

Don't be makin' Blue and I come outta retirement to knock some sense into ya.

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So a smaller player but with great awareness and technical ability does not have the ability to be a game changer? Big and fast is what coaches want?

At the college level, yes!

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So a smaller player but with great awareness and technical ability does not have the ability to be a game changer? Big and fast is what coaches want?


All day long! We are going to whack it the hell out of our defensive third, bypass the midfield and create some scoring chances in the final third. It's the "weekly game plan."
It's the most popular D1 recipe for wins.

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All day long! We are going to whack it the hell out of our defensive third, bypass the midfield and create some scoring chances in the final third. It's the "weekly game plan."
It's the most popular D1 recipe for wins.

You must be watching some pretty low level games then. Been to close to 100 college girls games, 70 plus D1 games, and only one game did I see a consistent direct kick and run style.

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So a smaller player but with great awareness and technical ability does not have the ability to be a game changer? Big and fast is what coaches want?

In college, big and fast is what rules the day.

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big girls play hard

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It will be interesting to see how these players transition to the college game. A big, strong, fast player who is a bench player on their club team could really blossom in the college game. On the other hand, a tiny, quick, skilled player might find it tough sledding in the college ranks.

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The goal in college soccer is to win games. Any attempt to develop players (or the resulting improvement) is done in the context of that player fulfilling a role that helps the team win. So practices emphasize conditioning and game-plan execution much more than the improvement or development of core skills. For more than 4/5ths of the nation’s D1 college programs, the reality is that they have absolutely no practical shot at actually succeeding to win the zero sum NCAA Tourney. In fact, there are probably no more than 25 teams with any shot and only about 10 teams that have a significant chance at a title. For the majority of teams (not in the 6 “power” conferences) the entire focus of their season is to win their conference (and more importantly conference tournament) because it is basically their only possible means to qualify for the NCAA Tournament.

Within the bulk of the D1 college world, there is tremendous parity. Especially when it comes to the all-important conference games. This parity, combined with the extreme pressure on coaches to win, means that game-plans tend to be defensive based with an emphasis on avoiding mistakes. It is often described as the “don’t lose” mentality. And yes, it does lead to players being instructed to make the safe play – rather than taking a greater risk, that could lead to greater reward, but also a critical mistake. Liberal substitution rules also allow teams to be more intense with their defending. When players are expecting (and required) to play a full 90, they will conserve energy and rarely play a constant challenging defense, because it is too exhausting. In college soccer, players can exert themselves for longer more consistent bursts because they can (in the 2d half) be subbed and return. Coaches can utilize 16-18 player rotations and implement schemes that keep defensive shape while constantly and aggressively challenging the player on the ball. This makes the maintenance of possession very difficult.

What players will find in college is that there is no right way to play soccer. They will be expected to do what it takes to win, and they will find themselves in the dog house if they fail to fulfill their assigned role or make too many mistakes. You don’t here college coaches yelling “nice idea” or “bad luck” after a turn-over. There isn’t enough time to allow players to learn from mistakes because a single mistake (especially late in a game or in OT) will often result in a loss.

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It will be interesting to see how these players transition to the college game. A big, strong, fast player who is a bench player on their club team could really blossom in the college game. On the other hand, a tiny, quick, skilled player might find it tough sledding in the college ranks.Why if a girl is great on her club team regardless of her size all of a sudden have tough sledding a year later. If she plays against the top club teams in the country and has played against the big the small and everything in between she should have trouble? Sorry it doesn't make sense.

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Why if a girl is great on her club team regardless of her size all of a sudden have tough sledding a year later. If she plays against the top club teams in the country and has played against the big the small and everything in between she should have trouble? Sorry it doesn't make sense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvEobeNfGcc

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Why if a girl is great on her club team regardless of her size all of a sudden have tough sledding a year later. If she plays against the top club teams in the country and has played against the big the small and everything in between she should have trouble? Sorry it doesn't make sense.

There can be transition issues for any player in college, but as a general rule the cream does rise to the top. Although I agree that the tactics and style of play in college can result in a more defensive and physical game, these players are the best of the best from the previous level. And they must possess a certain basic skill set or they won't succeed (no matter how big or fast). Having a solid amount of experience with this, I would offer the following advice for incoming freshmen. Most is common sense, but worth emphasizing:

1. Keep playing. There is a somewhat natural tendancy to start to float after the college decision is set. Avoid the impulse to stop training with and playing against the best possible competition. This can be difficult in the summer, but you will have a very short time in pre-season to impress the coaching staff and that is hard to do if you are "working the rust off".

2. Get yourself in the best possible shape. That doesn't just mean endurance, but also injury repair. Use the summer as a means to rehab those nagging sprains, bruises and aches that you seem to always have. Remember, you can't help the club... in the tub.

3. Get stronger. One of the biggest adjustments for many college players is the use of an upper-body strength and conditioning program. There is lots of shoulder to shoulder contact in the college game and few fouls called because of it. Accept that you will not have a runway model's physique for the next four years and hit the weights before arriving on campus.

4. Start to build up your immunity system. For most incoming freshmen athletes the physical and emotional toll of the first season is incredible. Having proper dietary and sleep habits will make it easier once you get there, but that isn't possible if you spend the next 6 months clubbing and eating junk-food.

5. Start to build up your support system. Both at school and at home, players will need the help of others to make it work. Start to learn how the team dynamics works, talk to upper-classmen about which courses to take... and avoid, develop friendships with other incoming players and accept that your parents will be your best allies if you let them.

6. Get excited. Playing a varsity sport in college can be one of life's defining experiences and the place where you develop some of your greatest friendships. Look forward to that and be positive. Nervousness and questions are natural but I've found that the players that have the best experiences went in thinking they would.

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There can be transition issues for any player in college, but as a general rule the cream does rise to the top. Although I agree that the tactics and style of play in college can result in a more defensive and physical game, these players are the best of the best from the previous level. And they must possess a certain basic skill set or they won't succeed (no matter how big or fast). Having a solid amount of experience with this, I would offer the following advice for incoming freshmen. Most is common sense, but worth emphasizing:

1. Keep playing. There is a somewhat natural tendancy to start to float after the college decision is set. Avoid the impulse to stop training with and playing against the best possible competition. This can be difficult in the summer, but you will have a very short time in pre-season to impress the coaching staff and that is hard to do if you are "working the rust off".

2. Get yourself in the best possible shape. That doesn't just mean endurance, but also injury repair. Use the summer as a means to rehab those nagging sprains, bruises and aches that you seem to always have. Remember, you can't help the club... in the tub.

3. Get stronger. One of the biggest adjustments for many college players is the use of an upper-body strength and conditioning program. There is lots of shoulder to shoulder contact in the college game and few fouls called because of it. Accept that you will not have a runway model's physique for the next four years and hit the weights before arriving on campus.

4. Start to build up your immunity system. For most incoming freshmen athletes the physical and emotional toll of the first season is incredible. Having proper dietary and sleep habits will make it easier once you get there, but that isn't possible if you spend the next 6 months clubbing and eating junk-food.

5. Start to build up your support system. Both at school and at home, players will need the help of others to make it work. Start to learn how the team dynamics works, talk to upper-classmen about which courses to take... and avoid, develop friendships with other incoming players and accept that your parents will be your best allies if you let them.

6. Get excited. Playing a varsity sport in college can be one of life's defining experiences and the place where you develop some of your greatest friendships. Look forward to that and be positive. Nervousness and questions are natural but I've found that the players that have the best experiences went in thinking they would.

Whomever wrote this is right on the money...I could swear my daughter (junior in college now, made it to conference semi-final past two years) wrote this, as it is exactly what she has learned and applied to her college game. Or maybe the author is a college coach?
And it is a good answer to last couple of posts as well.

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There can be transition issues for any player in college, but as a general rule the cream does rise to the top. Although I agree that the tactics and style of play in college can result in a more defensive and physical game, these players are the best of the best from the previous level. And they must possess a certain basic skill set or they won't succeed (no matter how big or fast). Having a solid amount of experience with this, I would offer the following advice for incoming freshmen. Most is common sense, but worth emphasizing:

1. Keep playing. There is a somewhat natural tendancy to start to float after the college decision is set. Avoid the impulse to stop training with and playing against the best possible competition. This can be difficult in the summer, but you will have a very short time in pre-season to impress the coaching staff and that is hard to do if you are "working the rust off".

2. Get yourself in the best possible shape. That doesn't just mean endurance, but also injury repair. Use the summer as a means to rehab those nagging sprains, bruises and aches that you seem to always have. Remember, you can't help the club... in the tub.

3. Get stronger. One of the biggest adjustments for many college players is the use of an upper-body strength and conditioning program. There is lots of shoulder to shoulder contact in the college game and few fouls called because of it. Accept that you will not have a runway model's physique for the next four years and hit the weights before arriving on campus.

4. Start to build up your immunity system. For most incoming freshmen athletes the physical and emotional toll of the first season is incredible. Having proper dietary and sleep habits will make it easier once you get there, but that isn't possible if you spend the next 6 months clubbing and eating junk-food.

5. Start to build up your support system. Both at school and at home, players will need the help of others to make it work. Start to learn how the team dynamics works, talk to upper-classmen about which courses to take... and avoid, develop friendships with other incoming players and accept that your parents will be your best allies if you let them.

6. Get excited. Playing a varsity sport in college can be one of life's defining experiences and the place where you develop some of your greatest friendships. Look forward to that and be positive. Nervousness and questions are natural but I've found that the players that have the best experiences went in thinking they would.

I agree that this is right on the money. Most is common sense, but a couple of items are worth repeating or emphasizing. The part about upper body conditioniong is huge. There are lots of reasons that you see little of this before college. Body image and HS pressures are probably part of it, but another part is the general soccer emphasis on endurance and speed (lower body / core). There is a lot more shoulder to shoulder contact in college and you will either need to be real good at avoiding it (which isn't always possible) or capable of withstanding it. You don't need to look like Ahnald the bodybuilder, but improving upper body strength via off-field conditioning is often a new but necessary dynamic for young players. And the part about establishing better sleeping and eating habts seems like it would be obvious and automatic, but trust me it isn't. There are some little things that can make an immediate difference like a quality foam mattress cover and a really good fan. But ultimately a player (who is probably really on her own for the first time) will need to make good decisions about what she eats and the need to get to sleep early. Make an honest appraisal of how your child eats and her sleeping habits and if there are problems, don't expect things to improve when she is in her first semester at school.

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http://www.hartfordhawks.com/news/2011/2/15/WSOC_0215114644.aspx

Quinlan is from Saugus and Governor's Academy. She never really caught on at Syracuse.

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Why if a girl is great on her club team regardless of her size all of a sudden have tough sledding a year later. If she plays against the top club teams in the country and has played against the big the small and everything in between she should have trouble? Sorry it doesn't make sense.

See recent posts.

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http://bceagles.cstv.com/sports/w-soccer/spec-rel/021611aab.html

although this discussion will likely slip into some personnel attacks, this is now out there publicly and going to be discussed. What is interesting is that the official BC press release lists three players but the spreadsheet shows 7 new recruits. Obviously the speadsheet is unofficial and as we saw with U Mass there are often changes in commits that don't get reflected on the page or updated. But this is a very big difference with a mega-profile program. What gives?

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http://bceagles.cstv.com/sports/w-soccer/spec-rel/021611aab.html

although this discussion will likely slip into some personnel attacks, this is now out there publicly and going to be discussed. What is interesting is that the official BC press release lists three players but the spreadsheet shows 7 new recruits. Obviously the speadsheet is unofficial and as we saw with U Mass there are often changes in commits that don't get reflected on the page or updated. But this is a very big difference with a mega-profile program. What gives?

They probably only list those who are getting actual athletic dollars.

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Possibilities:

1. BC has a policy that only players signing a NLI (and therefore getting athletic money) are to be reflected on an official press release about incoming recruits. This policy could be institution wide, or specific to the women's soccer program.

2. The players listed on the spreadsheet (but not in the press release) changed their minds and have opted to attend a different school. It happens and at a place like BC, where all-americans and former NP players will often struggle for playing time, it wouldn't surprise anyone to see players head to a program that is a better fit.

3. For some reason BC needs to wait on announcing other players, either for admissions reasons, or continued negotiations about available athletic money.

4. All of the above.

My guess is that #4 is the answer (so the reason is a combination of the other three), but in any regard, it should bolster a warning that has been made here before: Early commits often aren't worth the paper they aren't printed on.

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Possibilities:

1. BC has a policy that only players signing a NLI (and therefore getting athletic money) are to be reflected on an official press release about incoming recruits. This policy could be institution wide, or specific to the women's soccer program.

2. The players listed on the spreadsheet (but not in the press release) changed their minds and have opted to attend a different school. It happens and at a place like BC, where all-americans and former NP players will often struggle for playing time, it wouldn't surprise anyone to see players head to a program that is a better fit.

3. For some reason BC needs to wait on announcing other players, either for admissions reasons, or continued negotiations about available athletic money.

4. All of the above.

My guess is that #4 is the answer (so the reason is a combination of the other three), but in any regard, it should bolster a warning that has been made here before: Early commits often aren't worth the paper they aren't printed on.


#1 seems pretty unlikely. Why would BC have such a policy. Kind of a slap in the face to the kids who didn't get $$$. Why treat them as 2nd class citizens? Does anyone know of another school that does this?

#2 is reasonable but wouldn't it be unusual for so many to change at the last minute (and not have it reflected on the recruitiing sites)?

#3 is plausible if the students didn't apply early for some reason but wouldn't the coach have asked them to apply early if she was supporting their applications in admissions?

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Possibilities:

1. BC has a policy that only players signing a NLI (and therefore getting athletic money) are to be reflected on an official press release about incoming recruits. This policy could be institution wide, or specific to the women's soccer program.

2. The players listed on the spreadsheet (but not in the press release) changed their minds and have opted to attend a different school. It happens and at a place like BC, where all-americans and former NP players will often struggle for playing time, it wouldn't surprise anyone to see players head to a program that is a better fit.

3. For some reason BC needs to wait on announcing other players, either for admissions reasons, or continued negotiations about available athletic money.

4. All of the above.

My guess is that #4 is the answer (so the reason is a combination of the other three), but in any regard, it should bolster a warning that has been made here before: Early commits often aren't worth the paper they aren't printed on.

1. I do know of some schools that will only release the names of players signing a NLI. There is a reason for it, basically because they are the only players, under the rules, who are "legally" committed to play at the school - and therefore represent the list of official recruits.

2. The spreadsheet is a great bit of information but it is far from official and there are lots of ommissions and errors. The guy who runs it is more than happy to admit that he does his best to maintain accuracy - but those are a lot of names and it has never been intended to differentiate between verbal commits who will get money and those that don't. The Topdrawer and ESPN sites show 5 (not 7) commits for BC, and they are typically the more reliable, although rarely complete, sites for recruiting commits. Understand that the programs themselves have very little interaction with these sites and are unlikely to attempt to correct information on them, even if they know its wrong.

3. There were rumors that BC had some admissions issues with this class and that they couldn't put them through as EDs but had to wait for RD. That can make sense if you understand how athletically supported admissions work - and it doesn't mean that some (or even most) of the commits weren't outstanding students. So it is possible that a committed player (even one that was expecting to get $$) might not get into a school like BC. It would be pretty unusual for women's soccer, but certainly possible.

Finally, it isn't completely unheard of for teams to ammend their recruiting lists and add names after the normal NLI signing period. The official NLI period is far from over, and it wouldn't be a huge surprise to see BC issue another press release (at a future date) announcing additional recruits for 2011. However, it should be a lesson that these top programs rarely bring in more than 5 "real" recruits who have legitimate expectations to see playing time.

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Even if you are a "real" recruit, be sure to play really well freshman year. Coaches on top teams constantly attempt to upgrade every position. They're recruiting your 2012 replacement even before you signed your 2011 NLOI. Coaches often fall in love with their next great recruit. Be sure you are irreplacible, or else.

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1. I do know of some schools that will only release the names of players signing a NLI. There is a reason for it, basically because they are the only players, under the rules, who are "legally" committed to play at the school - and therefore represent the list of official recruits.

2. The spreadsheet is a great bit of information but it is far from official and there are lots of ommissions and errors. The guy who runs it is more than happy to admit that he does his best to maintain accuracy - but those are a lot of names and it has never been intended to differentiate between verbal commits who will get money and those that don't. The Topdrawer and ESPN sites show 5 (not 7) commits for BC, and they are typically the more reliable, although rarely complete, sites for recruiting commits. Understand that the programs themselves have very little interaction with these sites and are unlikely to attempt to correct information on them, even if they know its wrong.

3. There were rumors that BC had some admissions issues with this class and that they couldn't put them through as EDs but had to wait for RD. That can make sense if you understand how athletically supported admissions work - and it doesn't mean that some (or even most) of the commits weren't outstanding students. So it is possible that a committed player (even one that was expecting to get $$) might not get into a school like BC. It would be pretty unusual for women's soccer, but certainly possible.

Finally, it isn't completely unheard of for teams to ammend their recruiting lists and add names after the normal NLI signing period. The official NLI period is far from over, and it wouldn't be a huge surprise to see BC issue another press release (at a future date) announcing additional recruits for 2011. However, it should be a lesson that these top programs rarely bring in more than 5 "real" recruits who have legitimate expectations to see playing time.

Thanks for the input. Could you elaborate on #3? If you are an outstanding student and have the coach's support, why wouldn't you get in? Does football and basketball have this issue?

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1. I do know of some schools that will only release the names of players signing a NLI. There is a reason for it, basically because they are the only players, under the rules, who are "legally" committed to play at the school - and therefore represent the list of official recruits.


Ouch! How'd you like to be told you are not an official recruit?

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Ouch! How'd you like to be told you are not an official recruit?

If you are offered a verbal, you are an official recruit. To finalize everything, you need to sign the NLI, otherwise other schools can keep recruiting you. the longer you go without signing, increases the chance you could receive a better offer from some other schools.

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The official NLI period is far from over, and it wouldn't be a huge surprise to see BC issue another press release (at a future date) announcing additional recruits for 2011. However, it should be a lesson that these top programs rarely bring in more than 5 "real" recruits who have legitimate expectations to see playing time.

Nice. Will the BC site say this is the list of the players who aren't getting money and/or we had trouble getting through admissions?

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If you are offered a verbal, you are an official recruit. To finalize everything, you need to sign the NLI, otherwise other schools can keep recruiting you. the longer you go without signing, increases the chance you could receive a better offer from some other schools.

1. I do know of some schools that will only release the names of players signing a NLI. There is a reason for it, basically because they are the only players, under the rules, who are "legally" committed to play at the school - and therefore represent the list of official recruits.

Which is it?

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1. I do know of some schools that will only release the names of players signing a NLI. There is a reason for it, basically because they are the only players, under the rules, who are "legally" committed to play at the school - and therefore represent the list of official recruits.

Which is it?

Which is it? You nailed the definition, and stated the same thing in the post that you responded to.

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Thanks for the input. Could you elaborate on #3? If you are an outstanding student and have the coach's support, why wouldn't you get in? Does football and basketball have this issue?

Some schools will have players that are not receiving any athletic grant money sign a NLI type of document packet. However, the signed NLI is only required if you are receiving an athletic grant of aid. Some schools will offer a nominal amount (like $500) to a comit so that a player is obligated to sign the NLI - and therefore officially off the recruiting market. Terminology in all of this is pretty subjective. What constitutes an official recruit or a walk-on is sort of unimportant. The things that do matter are 1. Are you getting money from the athletic dept.? 2. Have you been told that you will be attending pre-season camp with the team? and 3. Do you appear on the pre-season roster on the team's web-page? As for admissions: It is really a two step process. First you need to be given eligibility clearance by the NCAA Eligibility Center (formerly the Clearinghouse). This is based on an analysis of your amateur status and a review of your course-work, GPA and SAT/ACT scores. The NCAA standards are pretty low, but for the bulk of the D1 programs, they are all you need to gain admission through an athletically supported application.- which is handled/monitored by the AD's Compliance Division in cooperation with the Admissions Dept. at each school. At some D1 schools (like BC) the admissions criteria are more stringent than the NCAA minimums. And the process is something like what has been discussed here regarding Ivy League athletic admissions - although not nearly as stringent. In this respect, it is possible for a player to be denied acceptance to BC, despite a verbal commit and an attempt to get the player through admissions. There are plenty of stories about what a disadvantage this can be for BCs teams. Ultimately a player who only meets NCAA minimums could be accepted at BC because it is a self-imposed restriction (unlike the Ivy League rules), and certainly other ACC schools like NC State, Florida State, Virginia Tech or Clemson routinely accept lots of recruits at or near the NCAA minimum - although most would be in the $$ making sports of football or basketball. Usually the Compliance Division will group a team's applications together, which has the effect of evening out some lesser applications with some better ones. That was the rumor here, that Compliance was uneasy about submitting this group with the ED pool (which tends to be more competitive). And wanted to wait until the regular admissions pool. It certainly could happen in the $$ sports, but again, there is a far greater likelihood that a football player with a certain academic profile would be accepted, while the female soccer player with the same would not. It just isn't a fair world in college sports.

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1. I do know of some schools that will only release the names of players signing a NLI. There is a reason for it, basically because they are the only players, under the rules, who are "legally" committed to play at the school - and therefore represent the list of official recruits.

Which is it?

Look, some schools disclose all recruits (which imo is the way to do it) and some do not disclose more than athletic scholarship recruits. Every recruit has to submit ED, so by now (mid February) a college should have all its recruits accepted by now. If BC is having trouble with some acceptances academically that may explain not disclosing those names, but I doubt they had trouble with 4 players. It is likely simply the way BC does it. All this discussion about real recruits vs walk-ons and other issues is off target. This is a school's disclosure approach vs others disclosure process.

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Here is last year's announcement:

http://bceagles.cstv.com/sports/w-soccer/spec-rel/031010aaa.html

They list 5 new recruits but 7 freshmen were on the 2010 roster.

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http://www.bryantbulldogs.com/sports/wsoc/2010-11/releases/20110216arcb4a

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http://www.bryantbulldogs.com/sports/wsoc/2010-11/releases/20110216arcb4a

Interesting that the bios list other schools that recruited them. Players turned down BU, Northeastern, Amherst, Bowdoin, Bucknell, Providence, Elon, Lehigh among others.

Very impressive that Bryant was able to lure them away from these schools.

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Interesting that the bios list other schools that recruited them. Players turned down BU, Northeastern, Amherst, Bowdoin, Bucknell, Providence, Elon, Lehigh among others.

Very impressive that Bryant was able to lure them away from these schools.

That is so tacky

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Interesting that the bios list other schools that recruited them. Players turned down BU, Northeastern, Amherst, Bowdoin, Bucknell, Providence, Elon, Lehigh among others.

Very impressive that Bryant was able to lure them away from these schools.

...any of the coaches at these schools have ever heard of these girls...sounds like a padded resume to me!

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Interesting that the bios list other schools that recruited them. Players turned down BU, Northeastern, Amherst, Bowdoin, Bucknell, Providence, Elon, Lehigh among others.

Very impressive that Bryant was able to lure them away from these schools.


Congratulations to these girls on their accomplishment. I am sure they self-selected the best academic fit and athletic fit for their individual situations. Coach Flint has veteran status and this next season could prove to be a good one.

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Interesting that the bios list other schools that recruited them. Players turned down BU, Northeastern, Amherst, Bowdoin, Bucknell, Providence, Elon, Lehigh among others.

Very impressive that Bryant was able to lure them away from these schools.



The bio list thing is a bit odd. And while they may have been recruited to these schools, at some point, that does not translate they were able to gain admission or the coach’s support or some money to play. Thus to say they “turned down” any of them is misleading. Bryant is using the player information to help promote their program. It’s inventive.

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The bio list thing is a bit odd. And while they may have been recruited to these schools, at some point, that does not translate they were able to gain admission or the coach’s support or some money to play. Thus to say they “turned down” any of them is misleading. Bryant is using the player information to help promote their program. It’s inventive.

No dog in this fight but I have some knowledge about this. The Bryant release is specifically worded that these girls were "recruited by..." not that they "turned down,,, to attend Bryant". It may seem like a small distinction but it is important and the information provided in the Bryant press release is pretty common for these things. I'd say that about 20-25% of the womens soccer programs provide information about a player's recruiting history in the "new class of recruits" release. In football it is closer to 70-80%. And yes, many do say directly that a player "chose X over a, b c and d". I to find it a little misleading (tackey is entirely subjective) and would be concerned that it maight create an even greater competitive environment in women's soccer recruiting than already exists. However, these press releases are handled by a school's sports information dept., and although the coach provides the basic information, format final content and style is usually out of their direct control. So there is no way that you can fault the players for this.

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No dog in this fight but I have some knowledge about this. The Bryant release is specifically worded that these girls were "recruited by..." not that they "turned down,,, to attend Bryant". It may seem like a small distinction but it is important and the information provided in the Bryant press release is pretty common for these things. I'd say that about 20-25% of the womens soccer programs provide information about a player's recruiting history in the "new class of recruits" release. In football it is closer to 70-80%. And yes, many do say directly that a player "chose X over a, b c and d". I to find it a little misleading (tackey is entirely subjective) and would be concerned that it maight create an even greater competitive environment in women's soccer recruiting than already exists. However, these press releases are handled by a school's sports information dept., and although the coach provides the basic information, format final content and style is usually out of their direct control. So there is no way that you can fault the players for this.

If they include it on the press release, isn't the implication that these players chose Bryant over the other schools? Otherwise why include it? If the meaning was these are schools that the players were also interested in but it didn't work out for them, they wouldn't put it out there would they?

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There is no formal definition of "recruited" so technically the web page is probably accurate. In many instances it was probably no more than the player was interested in the school and the coach showed some interest. Doesn't necessarily mean a scholarship offer was made and or that admissions help was promised.

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I'd say that about 20-25% of the womens soccer programs provide information about a player's recruiting history in the "new class of recruits" release.

Can you list some examples?

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The recruiting speadsheet has a list of 2011 recruiting class articles. A good example of the "chose X over Y" format would be St Bonnie's, Cincinatti or South Carolina. But again, this type of information is not all that uncommon although 20% may be a high figure. Providong who a player was also recruited by is the norm for football where recruiting competition and rivalries are fierce.

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If they include it on the press release, isn't the implication that these players chose Bryant over the other schools? Otherwise why include it? If the meaning was these are schools that the players were also interested in but it didn't work out for them, they wouldn't put it out there would they?

They did chose Bryant over those other schools. What you don't know is why. Is that what you want to know?

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Who cares!!!!

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Who cares!!!!

Somebody obviously does or there wouldn't be 10 post on the subject.

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They did chose Bryant over those other schools. What you don't know is why. Is that what you want to know?

Nope. Want to know why it's important to list schools they didn't attend.

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They did chose Bryant over those other schools. What you don't know is why. Is that what you want to know?

They also chose Bryant over Harvard, UNC, Stanford, UCLA, etc. But so what?

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Nope. Want to know why it's important to list schools they didn't attend.

Send an e-mail to Chris Flint and ask.

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They also chose Bryant over Harvard, UNC, Stanford, UCLA, etc. But so what?

It's not that big a deal to list it. Some of the big southern schools who are strong in soccer do it. Look at Univ. of South Carolina's website, and you see the same thing listed. Is it tacky? Maybe to some people. Others may find it interesting to see what other choices the recruits were considering.

It doesn't mean that one school is better than the other. I look at it, that the young ladies visited the schools but felt whatever school they chose was a better fit (they may have liked the campus better, the location, the academics, nicer athletic facilities, cuter boys, whatever....).

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No Massachusetss connections to Ole' Miss., but a very interesting article:

http://www.olemisssports.com/sports/w-soccer/spec-rel/022211aaa.html

Interesting because it is one of the first I have seen that clearly differentiates between players signing a NLI (and designated as "scholarship athletes") and the two girls that did not - but were obviously recruited. It is sort of an unprecedented level of transparency for a big-time program.

I have always felt that there should be an NCAA data-base for eqivalency programs' scholarship awards. Meaning, that the NCAA should be required to disclose how many players on a team's roster receive athletic grant-in-aid money, and provide a list of the comparative amounts each player receives (although not via personalized information). So, for example, it would be great to discover that Mega-State Universtity provides 14 scholarships , split between 20 different players. 5 receive a full scholarship 5 greater than 75% (but leass than 100%), 3 receive 50%, 3 25%, and 4 less than 25%. I know that the NCAA has this information, but it is too bad that they spend more time protecting and sheltering the schools - than giving info/assistance to players and parents.

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No Massachusetss connections to Ole' Miss., but a very interesting article:

http://www.olemisssports.com/sports/w-soccer/spec-rel/022211aaa.html

Interesting because it is one of the first I have seen that clearly differentiates between players signing a NLI (and designated as "scholarship athletes") and the two girls that did not - but were obviously recruited. It is sort of an unprecedented level of transparency for a big-time program.

I have always felt that there should be an NCAA data-base for eqivalency programs' scholarship awards. Meaning, that the NCAA should be required to disclose how many players on a team's roster receive athletic grant-in-aid money, and provide a list of the comparative amounts each player receives (although not via personalized information). So, for example, it would be great to discover that Mega-State Universtity provides 14 scholarships , split between 20 different players. 5 receive a full scholarship 5 greater than 75% (but leass than 100%), 3 receive 50%, 3 25%, and 4 less than 25%. I know that the NCAA has this information, but it is too bad that they spend more time protecting and sheltering the schools - than giving info/assistance to players and parents.

"I know that the NCAA has this information, but it is too bad that they spend more time protecting and sheltering the schools - than giving info/assistance to players and parents."

That was the original purpose of the NCAA - to protect student athletes. Money has long ago perverted that original mission.

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No Massachusetss connections to Ole' Miss., but a very interesting article:

http://www.olemisssports.com/sports/w-soccer/spec-rel/022211aaa.html

Interesting because it is one of the first I have seen that clearly differentiates between players signing a NLI (and designated as "scholarship athletes") and the two girls that did not - but were obviously recruited. It is sort of an unprecedented level of transparency for a big-time program.

I have always felt that there should be an NCAA data-base for eqivalency programs' scholarship awards. Meaning, that the NCAA should be required to disclose how many players on a team's roster receive athletic grant-in-aid money, and provide a list of the comparative amounts each player receives (although not via personalized information). So, for example, it would be great to discover that Mega-State Universtity provides 14 scholarships , split between 20 different players. 5 receive a full scholarship 5 greater than 75% (but leass than 100%), 3 receive 50%, 3 25%, and 4 less than 25%. I know that the NCAA has this information, but it is too bad that they spend more time protecting and sheltering the schools - than giving info/assistance to players and parents.

Thanks for the link to old Miss. My daughter knows a player who have committed to a SEC school to play soccer for 2012, but she is no an "athletic scholarship" player. Doesn't bother her or her parents. The school is a good one, her daughter loves soccer and tuition at the southern schools is a lot less than the Northeast.

That said, I heard somewhere that if a school offers you money, chances are you will see more playing time. The more money, the more impact they expect you to have.

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No Massachusetss connections to Ole' Miss., but a very interesting article:

http://www.olemisssports.com/sports/w-soccer/spec-rel/022211aaa.html

Interesting because it is one of the first I have seen that clearly differentiates between players signing a NLI (and designated as "scholarship athletes") and the two girls that did not - but were obviously recruited. It is sort of an unprecedented level of transparency for a big-time program.

I have always felt that there should be an NCAA data-base for eqivalency programs' scholarship awards. Meaning, that the NCAA should be required to disclose how many players on a team's roster receive athletic grant-in-aid money, and provide a list of the comparative amounts each player receives (although not via personalized information). So, for example, it would be great to discover that Mega-State Universtity provides 14 scholarships , split between 20 different players. 5 receive a full scholarship 5 greater than 75% (but leass than 100%), 3 receive 50%, 3 25%, and 4 less than 25%. I know that the NCAA has this information, but it is too bad that they spend more time protecting and sheltering the schools - than giving info/assistance to players and parents.

While a nice announcement I do not comprehend the need to know what each player is getting at a school. Why make a distinction between those with scholarship and those without? Most college coaches I know make no statement about who has athletic money and who does not and many reward upper classmen and do not provide much to incoming freshmen. Would having this information on any school make a difference in how you approach a school about your daughter? If so, you are totally misguided about the process.

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While a nice announcement I do not comprehend the need to know what each player is getting at a school. Why make a distinction between those with scholarship and those without? Most college coaches I know make no statement about who has athletic money and who does not and many reward upper classmen and do not provide much to incoming freshmen. Would having this information on any school make a difference in how you approach a school about your daughter? If so, you are totally misguided about the process.

I think the purpose of playing for a school is because you a) love the school and it's academics and b) want to play soccer there. That said, if I have two schools that are equal in academics and sports, and one is willing to offer my daughter some money (she's not asking for a full scholarship), I hope she goes for the one that offers her some type of athletic money.

It would certainly help my financial situation, since I'm paying for her education. I also agree with the statement, that if the coach gives you some type of assistance, they expect to see you play. There would be nothing more frustrating for my daughter than to get recruited, only to be a practice player or bench warmer (and yes, she is choosing her school for academics, but still wants to play).

I think you're naive if you think that not knowing the scholarship situation doesn't matter.

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While a nice announcement I do not comprehend the need to know what each player is getting at a school. Why make a distinction between those with scholarship and those without? Most college coaches I know make no statement about who has athletic money and who does not and many reward upper classmen and do not provide much to incoming freshmen. Would having this information on any school make a difference in how you approach a school about your daughter? If so, you are totally misguided about the process.

Having gone through it with 3 daughters, I can say that the most important advice I ever got is that knowledge is power. So having as much additional accurate information about these programs is critical. Your quote is a good example of the biggest problem in the recruiting world - most information is speculative or just plain rumor. For example, how do you know that "many reward upper classmen and do not provide much to incoming fresmen"? It seems to make sense, and is often stated here and elsewhere, but reallly, what is basis of this statement? I have actually heard the opposite, that coaches try to even the money out between classes - I have also heard that often the freshman class will get a higher percentage because it will take proportionally more $$ to lure in a particularly attractive group of recruits. Point is that any of the three statements could be true - but without legitimate data it is impossible to know. And why is it important? Well if Coach A is telling you that they intend to increase the scolly dollars in each year (based on some performance levels) but the historic numbers don't bear that out, you will either have to assume that your kid is going to be the exception - or that the coach is engaging in some "salesmanship".

Ultimately this will become a negotiation. It is by no means an objective system in which players are rated by real ability and potential and money is handed out accordingly. You will see players that are clearly better than your daughter end up at "lower rated" soccer schools and get less $$. You will also see the opposite. Targeting the right programs for your player is critical, and the only way to effectively determine which programs to target is via information and knowledge - or luck. You can make the choice.

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http://bceagles.cstv.com/sports/w-soccer/spec-rel/021611aab.html

although this discussion will likely slip into some personnel attacks, this is now out there publicly and going to be discussed. What is interesting is that the official BC press release lists three players but the spreadsheet shows 7 new recruits. Obviously the speadsheet is unofficial and as we saw with U Mass there are often changes in commits that don't get reflected on the page or updated. But this is a very big difference with a mega-profile program. What gives?

Update? When the dust settled, did all 7 recruits land at BC?

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Welllllll?????

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BC only lists the players who are receiving scholarship money.

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3. There were rumors that BC had some admissions issues with this class and that they couldn't put them through as EDs but had to wait for RD. That can make sense if you understand how athletically supported admissions work - and it doesn't mean that some (or even most) of the commits weren't outstanding students. So it is possible that a committed player (even one that was expecting to get $$) might not get into a school like BC. It would be pretty unusual for women's soccer, but certainly possible.

Finally, it isn't completely unheard of for teams to ammend their recruiting lists and add names after the normal NLI signing period. The official NLI period is far from over, and it wouldn't be a huge surprise to see BC issue another press release (at a future date) announcing additional recruits for 2011. However, it should be a lesson that these top programs rarely bring in more than 5 "real" recruits who have legitimate expectations to see playing time.


Update here?

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I thought you only signed a NLI is you were getting money. Do some clubs fake an NLI signing? I find it odd that a club has a picture of a player on their web site signing a LI to BC, but BC does not mention that player on their web site.

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I thought you only signed a NLI is you were getting money. Do some clubs fake an NLI signing? I find it odd that a club has a picture of a player on their web site signing a LI to BC, but BC does not mention that player on their web site.

Link???

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I thought you only signed a NLI is you were getting money. Do some clubs fake an NLI signing? I find it odd that a club has a picture of a player on their web site signing a LI to BC, but BC does not mention that player on their web site.

Really? No need for NLI unless you are getting $$$.

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Is the Stars ECNL GK going to BC?

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Is the Stars ECNL GK going to BC?

One last time....the number one or number two keeper?

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Link???

http://www.clearwaterchargers.com/

You have to page down on the home page and click pic1, pic2, pic 3 next to Boston College.

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http://www.clearwaterchargers.com/

You have to page down on the home page and click pic1, pic2, pic 3 next to Boston College.

Bummer. Recruited to play at BC, signed NLI and dissed by the BC sports publicity group.

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The actual National Letter of Intent, is only one of multiple documents that a scholarship athlete is usually expected to sign. Although people should understand that there is no requirement that you sign a NLI in order to get athletic grant in aid money. The actual grant in aid amount doesn't become official until your accepted, enrolled and you see an invoice. However, each school will provide a scholarship offer. That is the "binding" agreement between the school and the player that specifies the amount that the school will provide in grant-in-aid during the first year. The actual NLI (which is what the young lady in the picture is signing) does not specify any financial terms, it just binds the player to attend the specified school. Confusing, I know, but it is possible for a player to sign a NLI, without getting any athletic grant-in-aid. There may be good reasons for this. For example, the player may have a trust that is required to pay for the student's full college costs and they see no need to have the school provide any of its limited schollie $$. They may have other sources to pay for school (like need based FA or academic merit money). Unless someone from BC is willing to come on her, identify themselves and explain the full policy and process that BC uses in determining who gets what aid and how their Sports Information Division reports recruit classes, its all speculative and useless to discuss these specific examples.

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The actual National Letter of Intent, is only one of multiple documents that a scholarship athlete is usually expected to sign. Although people should understand that there is no requirement that you sign a NLI in order to get athletic grant in aid money. The actual grant in aid amount doesn't become official until your accepted, enrolled and you see an invoice. However, each school will provide a scholarship offer. That is the "binding" agreement between the school and the player that specifies the amount that the school will provide in grant-in-aid during the first year. The actual NLI (which is what the young lady in the picture is signing) does not specify any financial terms, it just binds the player to attend the specified school. Confusing, I know, but it is possible for a player to sign a NLI, without getting any athletic grant-in-aid. There may be good reasons for this. For example, the player may have a trust that is required to pay for the student's full college costs and they see no need to have the school provide any of its limited schollie $$. They may have other sources to pay for school (like need based FA or academic merit money). Unless someone from BC is willing to come on her, identify themselves and explain the full policy and process that BC uses in determining who gets what aid and how their Sports Information Division reports recruit classes, its all speculative and useless to discuss these specific examples.

I don't think the issue was whether this particular player received $$$. Rather, if she was "recruited" to play soccer at BC and indeed will be part of their team next year, why does the news piece on the BC website say "Women's Soccer To Welcome Three New Players in 2011" and not mention her (and other "recruits")? Do they have a different status than the other recruited players?

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I don't think the issue was whether this particular player received $$$. Rather, if she was "recruited" to play soccer at BC and indeed will be part of their team next year, why does the news piece on the BC website say "Women's Soccer To Welcome Three New Players in 2011" and not mention her (and other "recruits")? Do they have a different status than the other recruited players?

Let me repeat, unless someone from BC is willing to come on here, identify themselves and explain the specifics of how they recruit, who gets $$ and how this is all handled by the SID, then it is nothing more than speculation. What if I tell you that they are trying to keep the other players quiet because they are viewed as secret weapons and they want to spring them on the ACC next fall as a surprise? Does that have any greater validity than saying that they aren't getting money and are viewed by the coaches as second rate? They are both nothing more than anonymous opinion and inuendo. This site has value when people are giving obvious opinions or documented and reliable facts. Neither are present here.

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Let me repeat, unless someone from BC is willing to come on here, identify themselves and explain the specifics of how they recruit, who gets $$ and how this is all handled by the SID, then it is nothing more than speculation. What if I tell you that they are trying to keep the other players quiet because they are viewed as secret weapons and they want to spring them on the ACC next fall as a surprise? Does that have any greater validity than saying that they aren't getting money and are viewed by the coaches as second rate? They are both nothing more than anonymous opinion and inuendo. This site has value when people are giving obvious opinions or documented and reliable facts. Neither are present here.

Let me repeat. It isn't about whether these other recruits are getting $$$. Why would BC say there are 3 players joining the team next season when the recruiting lists show several more players are committed to BC including a photo on a club team website of a girl signing a NLI. Very strange. Would you feel ok about this if it was your kid?

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Let me repeat. It isn't about whether these other recruits are getting $$$. Why would BC say there are 3 players joining the team next season when the recruiting lists show several more players are committed to BC including a photo on a club team website of a girl signing a NLI. Very strange. Would you feel ok about this if it was your kid?

Yes, because then I would know all the information and would have made an informed decision about going to BC. Fact is that neither I (nor probably most others) have the slightest idea why BC did what they did with this group. More importantly, why do you care so much?

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Yes, because then I would know all the information and would have made an informed decision about going to BC. Fact is that neither I (nor probably most others) have the slightest idea why BC did what they did with this group. More importantly, why do you care so much?

It's important because justice and fairness in the world is important.

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It's important because justice and fairness in the world is important.



How is it unfair? Presumably these kids have had contact with the staff and recieved an explaination about why they were not listed. Its reasonable to believe that if that explaination was not adequate (or unacceptable) that they would seek (and BC would grant them) a release (assuming the did sign a NLI) and those players could search for opportunities elsewhere. My speculation (and that is all it is) is that these players are aware of their particular situation at BC, are happy for the chance to go to a great school and participate in a top quality program. They have no illusions about their status and are honored that they were recruited and excited to compete for a chance to play. None of that is changed by an appearnce (or non-appearance) in a recruiting class release.

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Yes, because then I would know all the information and would have made an informed decision about going to BC. Fact is that neither I (nor probably most others) have the slightest idea why BC did what they did with this group. More importantly, why do you care so much?

many schools do this and you i am 99% sure you only sign a nli if you are getting $

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many schools do this and you i am 99% sure you only sign a nli if you are getting $

No - if you are getting money you sign both a NLI and a scholarship agreement with the school. No spot on the NLI doc to list any financial terms, that is left to the scholarship agreement, and that comes directly from the school's Athletic Office.

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From the NLI site:

The National Letter of Intent has many advantages to both prospective student-athletes and participating educational institutions:

Once a National Letter of Intent is signed, prospective student-athletes are no longer subject to further recruiting contacts and calls.

Student-athletes are assured of an athletics scholarship for one full academic year.

By emphasizing a commitment to an educational institution, not particular coaches or teams, the program focuses on a prospective student-athlete's educational objectives


NLI might not say how much but it seems to imply you'll get something.

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From the NLI site:

The National Letter of Intent has many advantages to both prospective student-athletes and participating educational institutions:

Once a National Letter of Intent is signed, prospective student-athletes are no longer subject to further recruiting contacts and calls.

Student-athletes are assured of an athletics scholarship for one full academic year.

By emphasizing a commitment to an educational institution, not particular coaches or teams, the program focuses on a prospective student-athlete's educational objectives


NLI might not say how much but it seems to imply you'll get something.

the NLI program is distinct from the NCAA. As was said before, there is absolutely no requirement that a student-athlete sign a NLI in oder to receive athletic grant-in-aid monies. In fact, there are lots of players in the $$ sports that refuse to sign the NLI because they don't want to limit their options. And signing a NLI doesnt obligate the school to much of anything. What binds the school to a particular dollar amount (or scholarship percentage) is the Institutionally distinct scholarship agreement that typically accompanies the NLI. Together, these agreements effectively "take the recruit off the market" and "obligate the school to some level of scholarship commitment". Again, the NLI alone simply takes the recruit off the market. So look at it from the school's standpoint, prospects are willing to agree to be bound to attending their school (subject to admissions - which is also not guranteed by the NLI) and in return they get to have an invitation to attend pre-season with the team, and likely appear on the team's "big" roster - but not necessarily dress or play in any game (which isn't guaranteed to any players $$ or not). Not a bad system... for the schools.

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And this concerns you how?

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And this concerns you how?

I would much prefer a generic discussion about the NLI program, than the bashing of individual programs and players... wouldn't you?

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I would much prefer a generic discussion about the NLI program, than the bashing of individual programs and players... wouldn't you?

I was questioning why someone was so concerned about the alleged lack of exposure for the BC goalie on their website. Your discussion is much more relevant.

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Let me repeat, unless someone from BC is willing to come on here, identify themselves and explain the specifics of how they recruit, who gets $$ and how this is all handled by the SID, then it is nothing more than speculation. What if I tell you that they are trying to keep the other players quiet because they are viewed as secret weapons and they want to spring them on the ACC next fall as a surprise? Does that have any greater validity than saying that they aren't getting money and are viewed by the coaches as second rate? They are both nothing more than anonymous opinion and inuendo. This site has value when people are giving obvious opinions or documented and reliable facts. Neither are present here.

Not getting atheltic dollars (and thereby not signing a NLI) does not make a recruit a second rate player or recruited player. It simply means they did not get athletic money. Maybe they got Academic money instead, or maybe financial aid instead or maybe a promise of money as they age inthe program (which most schools do). Oddly BC does a press release on those players that sign a NLI, while most colleges do s press release for ALL their recruits. Who cares besides people here that are trying to use information as a knock on a certain player or two.

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Not getting atheltic dollars (and thereby not signing a NLI) does not make a recruit a second rate player or recruited player. It simply means they did not get athletic money. Maybe they got Academic money instead, or maybe financial aid instead or maybe a promise of money as they age inthe program (which most schools do). Oddly BC does a press release on those players that sign a NLI, while most colleges do s press release for ALL their recruits. Who cares besides people here that are trying to use information as a knock on a certain player or two.

What about the photo of the Clearwater player signing her NLI? Where's her press release?

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Still waiting for that press release.

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http://www.lehighsports.com/sports/wsoccer/lambinus_announces_women%E2%80%99s_soccer_incoming _class_of_2015.aspx

Go Rovers!!!!

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http://www.gocolgateraiders.com/news/2011/3/25/WSOC_0325113624.aspx

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http://www.goholycross.com/sports/w-soccer/2010-11/releases/20110407l8oqsz

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Huge incoming class at Cornell:

http://www.cornellbigred.com/news/2011/3/29/WSOC_0329115920.aspx

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Let me repeat. It isn't about whether these other recruits are getting $$$. Why would BC say there are 3 players joining the team next season when the recruiting lists show several more players are committed to BC including a photo on a club team website of a girl signing a NLI. Very strange. Would you feel ok about this if it was your kid?

8 freshmen listed on the BC roster. Looks like it worked out after all.