Sub Region 1 vs. MAPLE U16G comparison

Here are the teams listed by Got Soccer ranking for Spring 2009.

Sub Region One:
HBC Intense [Eastern NY] #1 in NYE, #7 in R1
Seacoast Premier [New Hampshire] #1 NH and #34 R1
RI Rays Sting [Rhode Island] #1 in RI, #43 in R1
CFC Arsenal [Connecticut] #2 in CT, #45 in R1
Manhattan Fusion [Eastern NY] #7 NYE and #46 in R1
Maine Metro [Maine] #2 out of 6 in ME and #48 in R1
South Central Cyber Rays [Connecticut] #3 in CT and #50 in R1
Massapequa Storm [Eastern NY] #8 NYE and #51 in R1
Stony Brook Revolution [Eastern NY] #11 NYE and #58 in R1
MPS Renegades [Massachusetts] #5 in MA, #70 in R1
NEEFC [Massachusetts] #6 in MA, #100 in R1
SUSC-ME Chaos [Maine] 4th out of 6 in ME, 111th in R1
NH Classics [New Hampshire] #3 in NH and #127 in R1
New England Aztec [Massachusetts] #7 in MA, #129 in R1
VSA United [Massachusetts] #9 in MA,#152 in R1



MAPLE D1:

Bruno United #2 in RI, #86 in R1
NE Eagles FC #6 in MA, #100 in R1
New England Aztec Storm #7 in MA, #129 in R1
Stars of MA Athletic #8 in MA, #151 in R1
Crusaders #11 in MA, #177 in R1
Fuller Hamlets #14 in MA, #215 in R1
Inter SC Boston UNRANKED
Scorpions UNRANKED


MAPLE D2:

FC Puma #4 in MA, #40 in R1
R.I. Rays #1 in RI, #43 in R1
Western United #12 in MA, #209 in R1
Pioneers #15 in MA, #217 in R1
Nor'easter Stng UNRANKED
North Shore UNRANKED
Greater Boston UNRANKED
FC United UNRANKED

Looks like Sub Region One is the most competitive league because of the New York and CT teams. Puma would be the #3 highest ranked team by R1 ranking if they had played Sub Regional. Rhode Island Rays are ranked #3 in Sub regional league and are also in MAPLE D2. Bruno would be the 11th ranked team in sub regional, they are #1 in MAPLE D1. Eagles are #2 in MAPLE D1, #11 in sub region one. In MAPLE D1 Stars Athletic and Aztecs Storm are higher ranked than the lowest subregional teams. Aztecs Storm has a much higher Got Soccer ranking than their "A" team. What does this all mean? The competition is better on sub region one. The top 10 teams in that league have a chance to move up next year. Also Bruno and Puma would fit right in if they played in that league.If mathman still reads this forum, maybe he'd care to comment?

Re: Sub Region 1 vs. MAPLE U16G comparison

Mathman -

Sub Region One: MM average 1158

HBC Intense [Eastern NY] 1484
Seacoast Premier [New Hampshire]1178
RI Rays Sting [Rhode Island] 1126
CFC Arsenal [Connecticut]1226
Manhattan Fusion [Eastern NY] 1135
Maine Metro [Maine] 894
South Central Cyber Rays [Connecticut] 1285
Massapequa Storm [Eastern NY] 1195
Stony Brook Revolution [Eastern NY] 1268
MPS Renegades [Massachusetts] 1223
NEEFC [Massachusetts] 1156
SUSC-ME Chaos [Maine] 930
NH Classics [New Hampshire] 965
New England Aztec [Massachusetts] 1274
VSA United [Massachusetts] 1032



MAPLE D1: MM average 1104

Bruno United 1050
NE Eagles 1156
New England Aztec Storm 942
Stars of MA Athletic 889
Crusaders 1213
Fuller Hamlets 1281
Inter SC Boston 1184
Scorpions 1120


MAPLE D2: MM average 1049

FC Puma 1227
R.I. Rays 1126
Western United 1175
Pioneers 990
Nor'easter1032
North Shore 955
Greater Boston 1058
FC United 827

Not Mathman but it looks like there's not much difference between subregional and MAPLE Div. 1 in this age group.

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Mathman -

Sub Region One: MM average 1158

HBC Intense [Eastern NY] 1484
Seacoast Premier [New Hampshire]1178
RI Rays Sting [Rhode Island] 1126
CFC Arsenal [Connecticut]1226
Manhattan Fusion [Eastern NY] 1135
Maine Metro [Maine] 894
South Central Cyber Rays [Connecticut] 1285
Massapequa Storm [Eastern NY] 1195
Stony Brook Revolution [Eastern NY] 1268
MPS Renegades [Massachusetts] 1223
NEEFC [Massachusetts] 1156
SUSC-ME Chaos [Maine] 930
NH Classics [New Hampshire] 965
New England Aztec [Massachusetts] 1274
VSA United [Massachusetts] 1032



MAPLE D1: MM average 1104

Bruno United 1050
NE Eagles 1156
New England Aztec Storm 942
Stars of MA Athletic 889
Crusaders 1213
Fuller Hamlets 1281
Inter SC Boston 1184
Scorpions 1120


MAPLE D2: MM average 1049

FC Puma 1227
R.I. Rays 1126
Western United 1175
Pioneers 990
Nor'easter1032
North Shore 955
Greater Boston 1058
FC United 827

Not Mathman but it looks like there's not much difference between subregional and MAPLE Div. 1 in this age group.

Or D2 for that matter.According to this Puma and Rays are/would be the #2 and #3 ranked teams in SubRegional league. And puma is 2nd only to Hamlets in Mathman rating. So much for the MAPLE divisions making any sense at all.

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Any idea when schedules for SR1 will be published?

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The average you are trying to use to make them all seem the same is ridiculous. Averages take into account the weak ME and RI teams. Take them out and the Subregional numbers are WAY above MAPLE.

Re: Sub Region 1 vs. MAPLE U16G comparison

The average you are trying to use to make them all seem the same is ridiculous. Averages take into account the weak ME and RI teams. Take them out and the Subregional numbers are WAY above MAPLE.

Okay then - take the bottom two out of subregional and the average is 1195. Take the bottom one out of each of the MAPLE divisions and their averages are 1134 and 1080.

Re: Sub Region 1 vs. MAPLE U16G comparison

The average you are trying to use to make them all seem the same is ridiculous. Averages take into account the weak ME and RI teams. Take them out and the Subregional numbers are WAY above MAPLE.

Okay then - take the bottom two out of subregional and the average is 1195. Take the bottom one out of each of the MAPLE divisions and their averages are 1134 and 1080.

So then the question becomes:

Is it worth it to drive 200 miles each way to play 2 soccer games in a row on a Saturday, then hustle back to Mass to play again on Sunday? Seems like alot of money/gas/acl injury exposure to me. And to play in a league which is statistically the same as MAPLE D1 and D2?

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If they want to qualify for Premier League next year...yes

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If they want to qualify for Premier League next year...yes

True. But unless things have really changed, the only Mass team with a legit shot of promotion is the Aztecs. Did they replace the keeper who went to the Stars? If not, that could change things for them.

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If they want to qualify for Premier League next year...yes

True. But unless things have really changed, the only Mass team with a legit shot of promotion is the Aztecs. Did they replace the keeper who went to the Stars? If not, that could change things for them.

Things have really changed. Let the games begin!

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"Things have really changed. Let the games begin!"

What has changed? People are so funny. Stars U and Scorps are still the best, Stars R are in Region 1 and were 14-0 in MAPLE Div. 1 the last two years so they dropped out, and then there is all the rest that can not make the leap up to the Top 3. I remember NESS talking a lot last year - we all know what happened there. The Top 3 have not lost a game to anyone else in over 2 years in this age group. Think that is going to change in June 2009? Nothing has changed - don't kid yourself.

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Basically the teams playing in MAPLE worry about the other MAPLE teams. Maybe everything has changed for them. The teams playing in Region One worry about those teams. Those playing in Super Y worry about those teams. And they are all relatively clueless (or at least the parents are) about those teams their kids' teams don't face regularly in leagues. I think it is far to say everything may have changed in MAPLE.

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HBC has to be considered the favorite to win the SubR. Only the winning team earns a R1PL spot for next year.

Eagles, Aztecs and MPS will need outstanding performances in order to challenge.

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HBC has to be considered the favorite to win the SubR. Only the winning team earns a R1PL spot for next year.

Eagles, Aztecs and MPS will need outstanding performances in order to challenge.

I think MPS is using it just for State Cup qualifying, thats it

Re: Sub Region 1 vs. MAPLE U16G comparison

Basically the teams playing in MAPLE worry about the other MAPLE teams. Maybe everything has changed for them. The teams playing in Region One worry about those teams. Those playing in Super Y worry about those teams. And they are all relatively clueless (or at least the parents are) about those teams their kids' teams don't face regularly in leagues. I think it is far to say everything may have changed in MAPLE.

this concept has played out each spring when the three Massachusetts soccer worlds (R1 Premier, MAPLE and Super Y) meet at the State Cup Round Robin. Think of it this way, by most accounts the Aztecs, Eagles, MPS, Hamlets and Puma represent the second tier of the Mass U16 soccer universe. In the last 30 months how many times have they faced the Stars United? The Scorpions? Once, maybe twice. In some cases probably none. Yet in the same time frame how many times has Puma played the Hamlets or Aztecs. Maybe a half-dozen or more. Ultimately a couple of these half dozen MAPLE D1 calibre teams want to break from their log jam. Maybe land an entry into Jefferson or PDA. The easiest way to do this is via the sub-regional league. The Aztecs have created a perception that they are the fourth best team in the state. Their only legitimate success came in last springs MAPLE season. Their Mathman rating, Got Soccer Ranking and tournament performances place them right along with Puma, Hamlets, Inter and the Eagles, yet many subjectively see them as the side with the best shot to knock off one of the big three. Why? because they have done the best job of using their individual team and overall club success to create this image. To a certain extent so have the Eagles and Renegades. None of these teams need to win the Sub-regional but they cannot perform poorly.