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    Multiple Goalies

    I note that several teams carry more than one goalie on their roster. This makes a lot of sense because if there is an injury to one the team has a replacement. However, how do the coaches manage playing time? Do the goalies usually alternate games or alternate halves? How does the coach decide which goalie to play at any given time? In an especially important game (SC finals, etc.) do you put the better goalie in net for the whole game or split halves? If you split halves, does the better goalie play the 2nd half (in case of PK's)? Wonder how some of the very top teams handle this.

    #2
    Re: Multiple Goalies

    Obviously your child is not playing a high level yet and/or is not playing against high class teams. Great coaches carry more than one keeper not just for injuries (which is the main reason) but also so their one keeper does not become complacent, e.i., he slacks off because there will be no punishments game-time wise.

    In games that matter, coaches will play the goalie that will help the team win. Splitting halves is almost the worst thing a coach can do in a game such as the SC finals because the second half goalie will no have the sufffecient 45min warm-up with the assisstance of a GK coache and/or the other goalie. It also affects the team, especially the defense because they may have different levels of trust depending on who is playing in the net behind them. So a good coach will play the best goalie the whole game, and make sure the backup is ready to play at anytime during the course of that game.

    MAPLE games are where back-ups will get there time, and even there they will only split with the starter. If for some reason, but this it is highly unlikely, two of the GKs are equal in skill, size, strength, speed, communication, and consistency, the coach will end up making a decision in a big game to give the game. The coach will then give the benched keeper a whole game at some later time. But having two keepers in one game in any final is not a good idea. You NEVER EVER see that in pro, semi-pro, or even college. There is a reason for that.

    Hope the info helped.

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      #3
      Re: Multiple Goalies

      What do you do with three keepers on two teams? Say that two keepers are very skilled and can play at top level. Keeper #3 is average/fair.You choose one but what do you do with #2? Does #2 play for 2nd team or sit on team #1 bench majority of time? If team #1 is playing more competitive league and games, do you want both keeprs on R1 or SC roster, but maybe make intra-club transfrer before these rosters are frozen?

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        #4
        Re: Multiple Goalies

        Originally posted by Guest
        Obviously your child is not playing a high level yet and/or is not playing against high class teams. Great coaches carry more than one keeper not just for injuries (which is the main reason) but also so their one keeper does not become complacent, e.i., he slacks off because there will be no punishments game-time wise.

        In games that matter, coaches will play the goalie that will help the team win. Splitting halves is almost the worst thing a coach can do in a game such as the SC finals because the second half goalie will no have the sufffecient 45min warm-up with the assisstance of a GK coache and/or the other goalie. It also affects the team, especially the defense because they may have different levels of trust depending on who is playing in the net behind them. So a good coach will play the best goalie the whole game, and make sure the backup is ready to play at anytime during the course of that game.

        MAPLE games are where back-ups will get there time, and even there they will only split with the starter. If for some reason, but this it is highly unlikely, two of the GKs are equal in skill, size, strength, speed, communication, and consistency, the coach will end up making a decision in a big game to give the game. The coach will then give the benched keeper a whole game at some later time. But having two keepers in one game in any final is not a good idea. You NEVER EVER see that in pro, semi-pro, or even college. There is a reason for that.

        Hope the info helped.
        So, which Stars U16 keeper played in the Disney final? If this is accurate, the goalies (which are apparently about equal in ability) did not spit time.

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          #5
          Re: Multiple Goalies

          Originally posted by Guest
          Originally posted by Guest
          Obviously your child is not playing a high level yet and/or is not playing against high class teams. Great coaches carry more than one keeper not just for injuries (which is the main reason) but also so their one keeper does not become complacent, e.i., he slacks off because there will be no punishments game-time wise.

          In games that matter, coaches will play the goalie that will help the team win. Splitting halves is almost the worst thing a coach can do in a game such as the SC finals because the second half goalie will no have the sufffecient 45min warm-up with the assisstance of a GK coache and/or the other goalie. It also affects the team, especially the defense because they may have different levels of trust depending on who is playing in the net behind them. So a good coach will play the best goalie the whole game, and make sure the backup is ready to play at anytime during the course of that game.

          MAPLE games are where back-ups will get there time, and even there they will only split with the starter. If for some reason, but this it is highly unlikely, two of the GKs are equal in skill, size, strength, speed, communication, and consistency, the coach will end up making a decision in a big game to give the game. The coach will then give the benched keeper a whole game at some later time. But having two keepers in one game in any final is not a good idea. You NEVER EVER see that in pro, semi-pro, or even college. There is a reason for that.

          Hope the info helped.
          So, which Stars U16 keeper played in the Disney final? If this is accurate, the goalies (which are apparently about equal in ability) did not spit time.
          Wrong at Disney both GK on the Stars United played half each of all 5 games the team played

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            #6
            Re: Multiple Goalies

            Originally posted by Guest
            Originally posted by Guest
            Originally posted by Guest
            Obviously your child is not playing a high level yet and/or is not playing against high class teams. Great coaches carry more than one keeper not just for injuries (which is the main reason) but also so their one keeper does not become complacent, e.i., he slacks off because there will be no punishments game-time wise.

            In games that matter, coaches will play the goalie that will help the team win. Splitting halves is almost the worst thing a coach can do in a game such as the SC finals because the second half goalie will no have the sufffecient 45min warm-up with the assisstance of a GK coache and/or the other goalie. It also affects the team, especially the defense because they may have different levels of trust depending on who is playing in the net behind them. So a good coach will play the best goalie the whole game, and make sure the backup is ready to play at anytime during the course of that game.

            MAPLE games are where back-ups will get there time, and even there they will only split with the starter. If for some reason, but this it is highly unlikely, two of the GKs are equal in skill, size, strength, speed, communication, and consistency, the coach will end up making a decision in a big game to give the game. The coach will then give the benched keeper a whole game at some later time. But having two keepers in one game in any final is not a good idea. You NEVER EVER see that in pro, semi-pro, or even college. There is a reason for that.

            Hope the info helped.
            So, which Stars U16 keeper played in the Disney final? If this is accurate, the goalies (which are apparently about equal in ability) did not spit time.
            Wrong at Disney both GK on the Stars United played half each of all 5 games the team played
            The U-17's also split games and starts

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              #7
              Re: Multiple Goalies

              Originally posted by Guest
              Obviously your child is not playing a high level yet and/or is not playing against high class teams. Great coaches carry more than one keeper not just for injuries (which is the main reason) but also so their one keeper does not become complacent, e.i., he slacks off because there will be no punishments game-time wise.

              In games that matter, coaches will play the goalie that will help the team win. Splitting halves is almost the worst thing a coach can do in a game such as the SC finals because the second half goalie will no have the sufffecient 45min warm-up with the assisstance of a GK coache and/or the other goalie. It also affects the team, especially the defense because they may have different levels of trust depending on who is playing in the net behind them. So a good coach will play the best goalie the whole game, and make sure the backup is ready to play at anytime during the course of that game.

              MAPLE games are where back-ups will get there time, and even there they will only split with the starter. If for some reason, but this it is highly unlikely, two of the GKs are equal in skill, size, strength, speed, communication, and consistency, the coach will end up making a decision in a big game to give the game. The coach will then give the benched keeper a whole game at some later time. But having two keepers in one game in any final is not a good idea. You NEVER EVER see that in pro, semi-pro, or even college. There is a reason for that.

              Hope the info helped.
              Looks like this poster needs to speak with JD.

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                #8
                Re: Multiple Goalies

                You NEVER EVER see that in pro, semi-pro, or even college. There is a reason for that.
                What an asinine remark. Youth soccer is NOT the pros, semi-pros, or college soccer. Youth soccer is where players learn the game and are developed. Players don't develop sitting the bench. If developed well some might get to play at one of those levels.

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                  #9
                  Re: Multiple Goalies

                  It was probably posted by the Syosset guy.

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                    #10
                    Re: Multiple Goalies

                    Originally posted by Guest
                    Obviously your child is not playing a high level yet and/or is not playing against high class teams.
                    How is this "obvious?"

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                      #11
                      Re: Multiple Goalies

                      good keepers have a similar mental approach to good baseball hitters. Why? Because both activities have very high failure rates. Even the best MLB hitters fail 2 out of 3 times. Similarly the frame is very big and the keeper very small. Even the best keepers are going to give up goals. They can minimize those numbers with strategy, positioning, technique and athleticism but eventually they will give up goals. Just like a hitter cannot dwell on a strike-out, a keeper needs to stay focused regardless of the result. Of course in today's game the best keepers do a lot more than make saves. They can be an important outlet for a pressured defender, start the attack with a good punt, throw or GK and prevent the shot by agressive play in the box. Much of that is natural ability (speed and athleticism) but most is from training and experience. The keeper position is so critical that a top team cannot afford to play big games against top opponents without a quality keep. That means that you need 2 keepers. Keeping both happy and ready is a pretty big challenge. The adjustments necessary (mental and physical) to play in a two keep system may not be ordinary but should not be any more difficult than the mental/emotional challenges faced when a keep gives up a soft goal or is faced with poor defensive play by his mates.

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                        #12
                        Re: Multiple Goalies

                        Originally posted by Guest
                        Obviously your child is not playing a high level yet and/or is not playing against high class teams. Great coaches carry more than one keeper not just for injuries (which is the main reason) but also so their one keeper does not become complacent, e.i., he slacks off because there will be no punishments game-time wise.

                        In games that matter, coaches will play the goalie that will help the team win. Splitting halves is almost the worst thing a coach can do in a game such as the SC finals because the second half goalie will no have the sufffecient 45min warm-up with the assisstance of a GK coache and/or the other goalie. It also affects the team, especially the defense because they may have different levels of trust depending on who is playing in the net behind them. So a good coach will play the best goalie the whole game, and make sure the backup is ready to play at anytime during the course of that game.

                        MAPLE games are where back-ups will get there time, and even there they will only split with the starter. If for some reason, but this it is highly unlikely, two of the GKs are equal in skill, size, strength, speed, communication, and consistency, the coach will end up making a decision in a big game to give the game. The coach will then give the benched keeper a whole game at some later time. But having two keepers in one game in any final is not a good idea. You NEVER EVER see that in pro, semi-pro, or even college. There is a reason for that.

                        Hope the info helped.
                        At what age would you start playing the better goalie? Isn't U-12/13/14 about developing the players? Training & practice ony goes so far, youhave to spend time between the bars doing really good games to improve yourself. If the better goalie get's all the Important games how does that improve the other goalie?

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                          #13
                          Re: Multiple Goalies

                          Originally posted by Guest
                          Originally posted by Guest
                          Obviously your child is not playing a high level yet and/or is not playing against high class teams. Great coaches carry more than one keeper not just for injuries (which is the main reason) but also so their one keeper does not become complacent, e.i., he slacks off because there will be no punishments game-time wise.

                          In games that matter, coaches will play the goalie that will help the team win. Splitting halves is almost the worst thing a coach can do in a game such as the SC finals because the second half goalie will no have the sufffecient 45min warm-up with the assisstance of a GK coache and/or the other goalie. It also affects the team, especially the defense because they may have different levels of trust depending on who is playing in the net behind them. So a good coach will play the best goalie the whole game, and make sure the backup is ready to play at anytime during the course of that game.

                          MAPLE games are where back-ups will get there time, and even there they will only split with the starter. If for some reason, but this it is highly unlikely, two of the GKs are equal in skill, size, strength, speed, communication, and consistency, the coach will end up making a decision in a big game to give the game. The coach will then give the benched keeper a whole game at some later time. But having two keepers in one game in any final is not a good idea. You NEVER EVER see that in pro, semi-pro, or even college. There is a reason for that.

                          Hope the info helped.
                          Don't listen to that idiot. He equates youth soccer to the pros. A better model might be what the Stars are doing. They obviously are a fairly successful youth club.

                          At what age would you start playing the better goalie? Isn't U-12/13/14 about developing the players? Training & practice ony goes so far, youhave to spend time between the bars doing really good games to improve yourself. If the better goalie get's all the Important games how does that improve the other goalie?

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                            #14
                            Re: Multiple Goalies

                            Originally posted by Guest
                            Originally posted by Guest
                            Obviously your child is not playing a high level yet and/or is not playing against high class teams. Great coaches carry more than one keeper not just for injuries (which is the main reason) but also so their one keeper does not become complacent, e.i., he slacks off because there will be no punishments game-time wise.

                            In games that matter, coaches will play the goalie that will help the team win. Splitting halves is almost the worst thing a coach can do in a game such as the SC finals because the second half goalie will no have the sufffecient 45min warm-up with the assisstance of a GK coache and/or the other goalie. It also affects the team, especially the defense because they may have different levels of trust depending on who is playing in the net behind them. So a good coach will play the best goalie the whole game, and make sure the backup is ready to play at anytime during the course of that game.

                            MAPLE games are where back-ups will get there time, and even there they will only split with the starter. If for some reason, but this it is highly unlikely, two of the GKs are equal in skill, size, strength, speed, communication, and consistency, the coach will end up making a decision in a big game to give the game. The coach will then give the benched keeper a whole game at some later time. But having two keepers in one game in any final is not a good idea. You NEVER EVER see that in pro, semi-pro, or even college. There is a reason for that.

                            Hope the info helped.
                            At what age would you start playing the better goalie? Isn't U-12/13/14 about developing the players? Training & practice ony goes so far, youhave to spend time between the bars doing really good games to improve yourself. If the better goalie get's all the Important games how does that improve the other goalie?
                            Don't listen to that idiot. He equates youth soccer to the pros. A better model might be what the Stars are doing. They obviously are a fairly successful youth club.

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                              #15
                              Re: Multiple Goalies

                              The truth of the matter is the talent pool around here for keepers is actually pretty shallow. Most of the keepers out there either lack the prerequisite physical tools or have not been trained properly so it is very rare for a team to actually have two starting quality ones let alone ones that are difference makers. If a coach is splitting time between two it is just as likely that the coach is not expecting much out of the keeper position and in their mind either will suffice. It is more an issue of maintaining depth on the team than anything else.

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