State Cup

Why do so many teams enter the SC tournament? Spending $525 to get bounced in the first round deosn't seem like money well spent. If a team has no realistic shot at making the RR, why bother?

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Why do so many teams enter the SC tournament? Spending $525 to get bounced in the first round deosn't seem like money well spent. If a team has no realistic shot at making the RR, why bother?

what if Rocky never showed to fight Apollo Creed?
what if Columbus got seasick and turned around?
what if the Pats packed it in after Bledsoe got ruined?
what if George Washington said there are too may redcoats?

actually, I'm in full agreement with you, but I am home alone and felt like being comical

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Why do so many teams enter the SC tournament? Spending $525 to get bounced in the first round deosn't seem like money well spent. If a team has no realistic shot at making the RR, why bother?

when are the 15-19 seeds coming out? does anyone know who actually makes up the seeding committee and how the criteria are rated? I read the MYSA website but I was curious if last years SC counts as much as last spring Maple and so on

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Why do so many teams enter the SC tournament? Spending $525 to get bounced in the first round deosn't seem like money well spent. If a team has no realistic shot at making the RR, why bother?

A better questions why is the entry fee so high? Historically it has been among the highest in the nation. You would think membership fees in this state would pay for something. It is pretty obvious State Cup is a major revenue generator in the state. Why not have single elmination all the way through? A lot of states do that and this state used to a million years ago.

Re: State Cup

Why do so many teams enter the SC tournament? Spending $525 to get bounced in the first round deosn't seem like money well spent. If a team has no realistic shot at making the RR, why bother?

what if Rocky never showed to fight Apollo Creed?
what if Columbus got seasick and turned around?
what if the Pats packed it in after Bledsoe got ruined?
what if George Washington said there are too may redcoats?

actually, I'm in full agreement with you, but I am home alone and felt like being comical

I really want to add one but....

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Why not have single elmination all the way through? A lot of states do that and this state used to a million years ago.

Right thru to the finals?

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Why do so many teams enter the SC tournament? Spending $525 to get bounced in the first round deosn't seem like money well spent. If a team has no realistic shot at making the RR, why bother?

A better questions why is the entry fee so high? Historically it has been among the highest in the nation. You would think membership fees in this state would pay for something. It is pretty obvious State Cup is a major revenue generator in the state. Why not have single elmination all the way through? A lot of states do that and this state used to a million years ago.

Because someone has to pick up the tab for Burrill and co. to travel to the Regional and National Championship series games.

Oh wait, I forgot... "It's for the children"!

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Why not have single elmination all the way through? A lot of states do that and this state used to a million years ago.

Right thru to the finals?

Yes why not? Open cups like the FA Cup are the way. Generally the top teams would win out but not always. Round robin format increases the chance that the dominant teams will make through and decrease chance of an upset. The state instituted round robin to help insure we were going to always send the "best" team. It would make it far more interesting and at the same time deemphasize the State Cup and may be put more emphasis on league play and just playing games.

Re: State Cup

Why not have single elmination all the way through? A lot of states do that and this state used to a million years ago.

Right thru to the finals?

Yes why not? Open cups like the FA Cup are the way. Generally the top teams would win out but not always. Round robin format increases the chance that the dominant teams will make through and decrease chance of an upset. The state instituted round robin to help insure we were going to always send the "best" team. It would make it far more interesting and at the same time deemphasize the State Cup and may be put more emphasis on league play and just playing games.

Interesting concept, but I think too many people like the festival format. It allows coaches to see other teams play and doing a little schmoozing.

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Hello - its not just about the winning. Some teams enter because its good competition, some because they think they are better than they are, some because its so they can play the better teams that they don't play regularly (D2 playing D1, etc). And we all know in soccer sometimes the better team does not win a close game as the ball bounces funny sometimes....

The wierd suggestion about having a single elimination all the way through forgets that the challenge rounds ARE single elimination. Arriving at the top 8 teams for round robin play and then semi's and final. It's a great format and very fair. The round robin is obviously geared for the top teqams to make it through basically allowing for a "bad" game or the one that is as described above - where the ball bounces funny and the better team doesn't win.

But at any rate - the process works well for the most part. The seedings are sometimes way off, but generally speaking the top teams are in round robin.

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Why not have single elmination all the way through? A lot of states do that and this state used to a million years ago.

Right thru to the finals?

Yes why not? Open cups like the FA Cup are the way. Generally the top teams would win out but not always. Round robin format increases the chance that the dominant teams will make through and decrease chance of an upset. The state instituted round robin to help insure we were going to always send the "best" team. It would make it far more interesting and at the same time deemphasize the State Cup and may be put more emphasis on league play and just playing games.

Interesting concept, but I think too many people like the festival format. It allows coaches to see other teams play and doing a little schmoozing/recruiting.

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It's a great format and very fair. The round robin is obviously geared for the top teqams to make it through basically allowing for a "bad" game or the one that is as described above - where the ball bounces funny and the better team doesn't win.

But at any rate - the process works well for the most part. The seedings are sometimes way off, but generally speaking the top teams are in round robin.

Maybe its not that fair.....maybe the element of an upset is needed. Seems that the better teams have the luxury of a bad game while the weaker ones dont

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Fair is getting the best teams through to represent the state. The round robin would seem to do that. Are you suggesting that there be a system that allows for a loss early on (kind of like they do in some basketball brackets?)

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Fair is getting the best teams through to represent the state. The round robin would seem to do that. Are you suggesting that there be a system that allows for a loss early on (kind of like they do in some basketball brackets?)

No, fair is not allowing for "1 bad game" or "1 bad bounce" for everyone and yes, all teams go thru a bracket process, play till you lose.

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Fair is getting the best teams through to represent the state. The round robin would seem to do that. Are you suggesting that there be a system that allows for a loss early on (kind of like they do in some basketball brackets?)

No, fair is not allowing for "1 bad game" or "1 bad bounce" for everyone and yes, all teams go thru a bracket process, play till you lose.

You are absolutely correct that is what a true fair format would be. No free pass to round robin based on the previous year's performance. Can you think of any play-off format anywhere in any sport where you can make it to the final stages based on the previous year's perfromance? That aspect of state cup alone is unfair and a joke.