Bw rays or bayside

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Which one of these clubs are better. Granted there is not a lot of clubs in Rhode Island Which one would be the best fit for a Girl ages U12 to 15.

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Which one of these clubs are better. Granted there is not a lot of clubs in Rhode Island Which one would be the best fit for a Girl ages U12 to 15.

I had a rating memo ready for you but who cares what I think.

You should have your daughter attend some practice sessions to see where she fits in and feels the most comfortable. After all this is about your daughter having a good time playing at a high level of soccer.

All the clubs would love to see your daughter play so there shouldn't be any charge for attending a couple of practices.

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What positions? Have they played club before?

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Bayside seems to be more of a boy's program with very few girl's teams. Blackwatch seems to have a decent U14 team but not much else. Rays have strong teams at U12 through U16. Not sure how strong the coaching is at any of thses programs but I would give the Rays a look based on what I've seen from the club.

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Bayside seems to be more of a boy's program with very few girl's teams. Blackwatch seems to have a decent U14 team but not much else. Rays have strong teams at U12 through U16. Not sure how strong the coaching is at any of thses programs but I would give the Rays a look based on what I've seen from the club.

There are better teams then the Rays for u15 girls.

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If she is a very good player look to Stars or Scorpions in Mass. Rhode Island Premier Soccer is terrible. No coaching and too many Premier teams for little talent. if the player is good they play in Mass.

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If she is a very good player look to Stars or Scorpions in Mass. Rhode Island Premier Soccer is terrible. No coaching and too many Premier teams for little talent. if the player is good they play in Mass.

Why don't you stay on the MA forum because people are sick of you cutting RI soccer. Not everyone wants to drive to MA for soccer and there are good coaches and players in RI.

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I think I hit a nerve. This is exactly why RI soccer sucks. You don't want to travel an hour to get real premier coaching and competition.

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I think I hit a nerve. This is exactly why RI soccer sucks. You don't want to travel an hour to get real premier coaching and competition.

The Stars are an excellent team. And yes they have taken some of the bets talent out of RI. However all the rest are just regular good teams like the ones on RI.

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In most age groups the best team in RI would be the 6th or 7th best team in Mass. If they were lucky. The issue in RI (girls soccer) is there are too many premier clubs. RI is not big enough to have 4 or 5 premier teams. It is hard enough to get the 18 best kids in one age group to be able to compete outside RI. Five or six years ago the Rays had a chance to be the dominant club and the leadership blew it. The Rays are the worst run club in RI. And it's all because of the people running it. They (and they know who they are) should have stepped down a long time ago. It's too late now the talent has figured it out and gone elsewhere.

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In most age groups the best team in RI would be the 6th or 7th best team in Mass. If they were lucky. The issue in RI (girls soccer) is there are too many premier clubs. RI is not big enough to have 4 or 5 premier teams. It is hard enough to get the 18 best kids in one age group to be able to compete outside RI. Five or six years ago the Rays had a chance to be the dominant club and the leadership blew it. The Rays are the worst run club in RI. And it's all because of the people running it. They (and they know who they are) should have stepped down a long time ago. It's too late now the talent has figured it out and gone elsewhere.

You're totally right about the dilution factor in RI and it goes without saying that if it is a poorly run club that it is because of the people running it.

Who is running the Rays?

It sounds like you have a bone to pick with the Rays organization. I don't think any of the RI Girls clubs are particularly well run. Black watch seems ok, but all the others seem to just muddle along. And I wouldn't put the Rays at the bottom. The Rays are going to sweep the SC this year.

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No bone to pick with the Rays, just an observation over the years. The leaders of RI Club Soccer are just out to collect fees. Not teaching the game soccer and really trying to help kids at the next level.

RI Club soccer is fragmented by teams. The Rays have the most teams by default because they have been around the longest. Blackwatch, Bayside and Bruno have a few teams but not in all age groups. The Rays try to promote themselves as the leader but just look at all the coaching changes and the player defections. There is no organization from a club level. Everything is done at the team level. At least Bruno and Bayside have fields to play and practice on. With the Rays it's each team for themselves.

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RI is not big enough to have 4 or 5 premier teams.

I just thought this was funny...and Mass is big enough to have hundreds ?

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I just thought this was funny...and Mass is big enough to have hundreds ?

So true. The dilution is everywhere. There are more and more clubs all over the place.

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The Stars are an excellent team. And yes they have taken some of the bets talent out of RI. However all the rest are just regular good teams like the ones on RI.

They have "taken" the talent out of RI???? Come on, really?? I have talked to many of the parents of the best talent taken out of RI and it was by the parents choice, not that they were forced or taken. The options in RI are average with little to no development for the above average players, along with additional options on playing like a good Region 1 team, above average coaching, the options of ECNL (both for Stars and Scorpions teams), and acceptance into the highest level of competitions at most tournaments and college showcases.

Please spare me that Mass teams are taking your players, you are forcing them to find better options!!!

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If you are a very good player and you want the exposure to play at the next level RI can not help you. This was not always the case. This happened over the last 4 years mainly because RI allowed additional premier teams to form. This watered down the talent and gave false hopes to players that really do not belong in "premier soccer". This is happening in most states. Mass (Stars & Scorpions) and CT (CFC) have figured out a way to keep the top talent. So they can play at the top level in the country. RI cannot even touch that. The RI Rays were the leaders in girls soccer about 5 years ago but mangament and bad coaching drove players away. They blew it!

It appears that players are going to other states (mainly Mass) because teams there are able to provide them with the opportunities to be seen by the top colleges in the country. I don't know that teams in Mass are "taking" players from RI.

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They have "taken" the talent out of RI???? Come on, really?? I have talked to many of the parents of the best talent taken out of RI and it was by the parents choice, not that they were forced or taken. The options in RI are average with little to no development for the above average players, along with additional options on playing like a good Region 1 team, above average coaching, the options of ECNL (both for Stars and Scorpions teams), and acceptance into the highest level of competitions at most tournaments and college showcases.

Please spare me that Mass teams are taking your players, you are forcing them to find better options!!!

You are truly obnoxious. I can't stand people that over punctuate to show that they are snotty fools. The word "taken" was not used literally in this case.

I doubt that you have talked to any RI parents, you seem more like the talk "at" types. And seriously, what do you know about RI teams? Or maybe you are the parent of a kid that couldn't make it on a RI team and had to settle for more driving so you kid could get some playing time on an inferior team.

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If you are a very good player and you want the exposure to play at the next level RI can not help you. This was not always the case. This happened over the last 4 years mainly because RI allowed additional premier teams to form. This watered down the talent and gave false hopes to players that really do not belong in "premier soccer". This is happening in most states. Mass (Stars & Scorpions) and CT (CFC) have figured out a way to keep the top talent. So they can play at the top level in the country. RI cannot even touch that. The RI Rays were the leaders in girls soccer about 5 years ago but mangament and bad coaching drove players away. They blew it!

It appears that players are going to other states (mainly Mass) because teams there are able to provide them with the opportunities to be seen by the top colleges in the country. I don't know that teams in Mass are "taking" players from RI.

The Scorpions U14 team looks like the are fighting for last place in the "premier" division. What a waste of time and money.

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The Scorpions U14 team looks like the are fighting for last place in the "premier" division. What a waste of time and money.

And your point is?

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And your point is?

You included the Scorpions as part of the group keeping "top talent". Maybe they are just having a bad year.

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Looking at the U14 Rays, they performed fairly well in their division of subregional. They played some very strong teams to a tie, which leaves hope for development in the fall

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Agree--the rays U14 girls are going to be the dominant team in RI and probably able to play on par with most ma teams

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You included the Scorpions as part of the group keeping "top talent". Maybe they are just having a bad year.

The scorpions have 2 teams playing in the playoffs in the Premier league in Region 1 this weekend in Delaware. That puts these teams in the top 4 in the region. Not bad! I don't think the Scorpions are having a bad year. Oh, by the way there are 2 very good players on the U15 and one on the U17 team from RI.

You're making my point!

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Agree--the rays U14 girls are going to be the dominant team in RI and probably able to play on par with most ma teams

Maybe in RI but not outside RI. We'll see how well they do when they go the Regionals. What's the last time a team from RI won 2 games at Regionals?

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Maybe in RI but not outside RI. We'll see how well they do when they go the Regionals. What's the last time a team from RI won 2 games at Regionals?

It was a Sunday in May, 1914. A beautiful day really.

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Whats going on with Black watch u14 team, heard they tied a town team and did not qualify for the state cup.

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Whats going on with Black watch u14 team, heard they tied a town team and did not qualify for the state cup.

I think they will bounce back. They have been through a lot of turmoil.

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To the original poster: If you want to check out these teams, a few are playing in State Cup semis and finals this weekend.

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What positions? Have they played club before?

What Positions??? Why would you care?????

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There are better teams then the Rays for u15 girls.

Bruno has a good U15 team. But I question the intent of this question. Seems like a troll to me.

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Bruno has a good U15 team. But I question the intent of this question. Seems like a troll to me.

Why a troll because there are better teams at the u-15 then RI Rays. Bruno u15 needs a new coach.

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Why a troll because there are better teams at the u-15 then RI Rays. Bruno u15 needs a new coach.

So does Tidal Wave U15. The coach is an a$$ and does not develop players all his players came from other teams. He screams thru out the whole game. When we played them for a state cup game all the parents from our team just wanted to yell shut up. Don't know how his team wins with him but I guess if you have good players and a bad coach you still will win. It's time for him to go but it won't happen now they won the state cup. Also, I think the team is to good for his coaching skills.

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Why a troll because there are better teams at the u-15 then RI Rays. Bruno u15 needs a new coach.

Sorry. I was thinking about the original poster. You're obviously right about the U15 situation.

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So does Tidal Wave U15. The coach is an a$$ and does not develop players all his players came from other teams. He screams thru out the whole game. When we played them for a state cup game all the parents from our team just wanted to yell shut up. Don't know how his team wins with him but I guess if you have good players and a bad coach you still will win. It's time for him to go but it won't happen now they won the state cup. Also, I think the team is to good for his coaching skills.

You're obviously right about the U15 situation.

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My daughter plays on the Bayside U14's and they just won the State Cup in a hard fought battle with the Rays U14's. The game was tied 1-1 and ended with PK's. Both goals were not of the impressive type. Bayside's goal was a bit of a dribbler and the Ray's goal was a complete fluke. From my perspective though, I think that our team is just better coached and plays a better style of soccer. Our team did not dominate in the shots on goal category by much but we did have the ball for the majority of the time. The two Ray's parents that I was next to thought the same thing. So to answer your question in the U14's. Bayside has the upper hand.

Your daughter could have fun on either team.

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Why have the Rays done better outside the state?

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Why have the Rays done better outside the state?

Not sure exactly what you are talking about. I'm guessing that the Ray's Subregional games were a pathetic showing of kick and chase and 10 men on defense. The Ray's were the lowest scoring team in the division which either means they were either not trying to score or they were unable to score. Probably a combination of the two from what I have seen.

While I haven't seen the Rays play many games, their style of play is more Rec style than premier. It's easy to tell where the pass is going because it will only go in one direction. I think our team won 90% of the 50/50's against them. Our team only had to jam the middle because the ball was only going to be played down the middle and only forward. There was never a "reset". You would think that the Rays defenders were really good, looking at the scores, but what is really happening is that the entire team ends up on defense. When they eventually intercept the ball they just kick it out of their end - and the chase begins...

I don't remember ever seeing the defenders pass the ball, they just kick it. I don't remember ever seeing the ball passed anything but forward. If you can't or won't win the 50/50's why would you have your goalie blast the ball into 50/50 land?

Although it is a little difficult to tell, I think that the Rays have some talented players, and maybe the talent level is relatively even between the two teams but the style of play is worlds apart.

Get a new coach Rays! It would make a huge difference.

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It seems that the top teams in u-14 and u-15 need new coaches. Where do they find the new coaches in their own club or outside of the club?

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It seems that the top teams in u-14 and u-15 need new coaches. Where do they find the new coaches in their own club or outside of the club?

If they are really the top teams in U14 and U15, then maybe the coaches are one of the reasons they are there? Looking at some of the teams the U14 Rays have played and tied or beaten, maybe those opposing teams need new coaches also?

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If they are really the top teams in U14 and U15, then maybe the coaches are one of the reasons they are there? Looking at some of the teams the U14 Rays have played and tied or beaten, maybe those opposing teams need new coaches also?

Tops in RI. Mediocre elsewhere.

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If they are really the top teams in U14 and U15, then maybe the coaches are one of the reasons they are there? Looking at some of the teams the U14 Rays have played and tied or beaten, maybe those opposing teams need new coaches also?

The Ray's U14's may be a good group of kids. But they play a low level of soccer. Not quite Kick and chase but not far from it. If you can't see the difference between Bayside's style and the Ray's style then then I don't know what to tell you. Soccer is about development. At almost any age, it is about playing the game well. The Ray's are playing not to loose. And it isn't pretty.

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As a previous poster said, most girls would be happy on either Rays or Bayside. Perhaps you should consider a change.

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Black Watch is not even close to Rays Bruno or bayside. They had zero girls teams in State Cup playoff weekend. They are a small club who only supports teams that are winning. If your daughter is on a losing team you are second class.

Rays are ok if you don’t mind parents coaching and training in small elementary school gyms and small pieces of grass at playgrounds with no goals.

Bayside and Bruno have great coaching staff great facilities and don’t forget they have only had girls for 3 years. They will be the two top clubs in RI for a long time.

Rays will be gone in 2-4 years

Black Watch will always be around its like year long soccer camp everyone can sign up as long as you have $$$$$

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The Rays coaching in terrible in all age groups. It starts at the top. The people running the Rays should have stepped down years ago for the good of the club. They won't and that's why talented coaches have gone to other clubs. The Rays controlled girls soccer in RI 5 years ago and look how many SC they won.

Bayside has much betetr coaching and management.

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The Rays coaching in terrible in all age groups. It starts at the top. The people running the Rays should have stepped down years ago for the good of the club. They won't and that's why talented coaches have gone to other clubs. The Rays controlled girls soccer in RI 5 years ago and look how many SC they won.

Bayside has much betetr coaching and management.

What evidence do you have for the "Bad Coaching" for the Rays?

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Black Watch is not even close to Rays Bruno or bayside. They had zero girls teams in State Cup playoff weekend. They are a small club who only supports teams that are winning. If your daughter is on a losing team you are second class.

Rays are ok if you don’t mind parents coaching and training in small elementary school gyms and small pieces of grass at playgrounds with no goals.

Bayside and Bruno have great coaching staff great facilities and don’t forget they have only had girls for 3 years. They will be the two top clubs in RI for a long time.

Rays will be gone in 2-4 years

Black Watch will always be around its like year long soccer camp everyone can sign up as long as you have $$$$$

The Rays sound the coolest! Thanks.

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The Rays coaching in terrible in all age groups. It starts at the top. The people running the Rays should have stepped down years ago for the good of the club. They won't and that's why talented coaches have gone to other clubs. The Rays controlled girls soccer in RI 5 years ago and look how many SC they won.

Bayside has much betetr coaching and management.

The Rays have 5 teams. They won the RI state cup in the U12 and U13, and U17 and were finalists in U14 and U16. What horrible coaching!

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The Rays have 5 teams. They won the RI state cup in the U12 and U13, and U17 and were finalists in U14 and U16. What horrible coaching!

My daughter tried out for the Rays but did not make the team, and she has been playing on a different RI team which has been an enjoyable and productive expreience. but she will again try out for the Rays fo rnext year because the rays are generally seen as the RI team that performs the best. A poster says they don't have their own nice facilities? Ever been to Brazil? those kids play in the streets and appear to be able to turn out a few good players.

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The Rays had a monopoly over RI Soccer for years the U17 U16 U14 U13 is still part of that. Those teams were formed before any other club had a chance. RI has more than 16 players per age group who can compete at a high level. The MONOPOLY is over !!!!!!

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You are right Brazil does have a lot of kids playing in the streets. When they are 5, 6, 7, years old any player with potential is swoop up by their local club and put into youth academy at state of the art training facilities like Lancaster. Obviously you have not been to Brazil because you would know that there are great fields all over the country and that’s where youth players train. So if they are playing in the street when they are 10 they are equivalent to our recreation players.

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The Rays had a monopoly over RI Soccer for years the U17 U16 U14 U13 is still part of that. Those teams were formed before any other club had a chance. RI has more than 16 players per age group who can compete at a high level. The MONOPOLY is over !!!!!!

I agree with you that the Rays HAD a monopoly and it's over. They could have kept it going but the head guys are in it for themselves. Bruno tried to take them over and failed. Right now the only club that looks like it could be ready to take over is Bayside.

I disagree with your comment about competing at a high level. If RI has 16 players per age group that can compete at a high level why doesn't a RI team ever do well at Regionals or play in the Premier League? Because they can't. On the girls side, every team that won the SC will get killed at Regionals. It's not even close.

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I agree with you that the Rays HAD a monopoly and it's over. They could have kept it going but the head guys are in it for themselves. Bruno tried to take them over and failed. Right now the only club that looks like it could be ready to take over is Bayside.

I disagree with your comment about competing at a high level. If RI has 16 players per age group that can compete at a high level why doesn't a RI team ever do well at Regionals or play in the Premier League? Because they can't. On the girls side, every team that won the SC will get killed at Regionals. It's not even close.

It sounds like you shouldn't really be involved with youth soccer. Predicting that your own state teams will get killed at regionals? Is this a prediction or are you really hoping that the girls from RI lose that badly? Maybe you should move to a different state or find something else to criticize. My daughter's team is heading to regionals with their heads held high, but I'll be sure to tell her that you think they have no chance.

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It sounds like you shouldn't really be involved with youth soccer. Predicting that your own state teams will get killed at regionals? Is this a prediction or are you really hoping that the girls from RI lose that badly? Maybe you should move to a different state or find something else to criticize. My daughter's team is heading to regionals with their heads held high, but I'll be sure to tell her that you think they have no chance.

THis poster is right. THe RI girls should just stay home. Clearly they don't understand what sports is all about. If you can't be assured of winning, why even try, right?

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I agree with you that the Rays HAD a monopoly and it's over. They could have kept it going but the head guys are in it for themselves. Bruno tried to take them over and failed. Right now the only club that looks like it could be ready to take over is Bayside.

I disagree with your comment about competing at a high level. If RI has 16 players per age group that can compete at a high level why doesn't a RI team ever do well at Regionals or play in the Premier League? Because they can't. On the girls side, every team that won the SC will get killed at Regionals. It's not even close.

What a great post. An insightful, inspiring message for our young RI players to refelct on as they go off to represnet our state in the regional games. If only we were lucky enough to have you as our coach!

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I agree with you that Bayside does seem to be in position to take over RI soccer particularly on the boy’s side but I wouldn’t count out the rays. Bayside was always the strongest boys program in the state a few regional semi finalists, some pro players and a tone of D1 players. Bruno made a move around 2004 until about 2008 but bayside rebounded nicely and looks to have regained that top spot. If the rays want to rebuild they should look at what some other clubs did (new management) facilities, Coaches, website that works, youth academies ect. otherwise it will be the end of the road.

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The coaching and organization of clubs in RI is the reason that the truly talented RI kids leave for Mass clubs.

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I agree with you that Bayside does seem to be in position to take over RI soccer particularly on the boy’s side but I wouldn’t count out the rays. Bayside was always the strongest boys program in the state a few regional semi finalists, some pro players and a tone of D1 players. Bruno made a move around 2004 until about 2008 but bayside rebounded nicely and looks to have regained that top spot. If the rays want to rebuild they should look at what some other clubs did (new management) facilities, Coaches, website that works, youth academies ect. otherwise it will be the end of the road.

Some girls just want to play soccer for a program that provides results--which is what the Rays have done and continue to do. If I were looking for the best program in RI for girls soccer, I'd look to the Rays.

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2005 7 state cup championships *Monopoly
2006 8 state cup championships *Monopoly
2007 8 state cup championships *Monopoly
2008 3 state cup championships
2009 4 state cup championships
2010 3 state cup championships

Is this what you mean by results looks like a steady decline to me. How did there U15 team do? What do you mean they don’t have one.

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2005 7 state cup championships *Monopoly
2006 8 state cup championships *Monopoly
2007 8 state cup championships *Monopoly
2008 3 state cup championships
2009 4 state cup championships
2010 3 state cup championships

Is this what you mean by results looks like a steady decline to me. How did there U15 team do? What do you mean they don’t have one.

It sounds like you are a frustrated Rays parent that needs to find a new team. Better move quick before the decline becomes a collapse.

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It sounds like you are a frustrss ated Rays parent that needs to find a new team. Better move quick before the decline becomes a collapse.

Its too late. The rays are already collapsed!

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Just face the facts. The Rays have lost their dominating position. If its not coaching & the 2 clowns running the club then what is it? 7 or 8 state championships down to 3. If you are a talented young girl soccer player stay away from the Rays! Truth hurts.

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Just face the facts. The Rays have lost their dominating position. If its not coaching & the 2 clowns running the club then what is it? 7 or 8 state championships down to 3. If you are a talented young girl soccer player stay away from the Rays! Truth hurts.

So why are you still with them?

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No matter what club or team you will find things that make you shake your head. Like the coach that yells and screams or the one who subs players at the wrong time or don’t sub them at all and the coach that turns a player into a hero for scoring or turns a player into a scapegoat for the team or himself. Everyone thinks the grass is always greener on the other side but it’s not. It’s the same soccer bull $hit no matter where you play. If your daughter is unhappy, not getting the playing time she deserves or not developing then it’s time to leave. Adults need to advocate for their children but leave their feelings out of it and think what’s best for the player.

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No matter what club or team you will find things that make you shake your head. Like the coach that yells and screams or the one who subs players at the wrong time or don’t sub them at all and the coach that turns a player into a hero for scoring or turns a player into a scapegoat for the team or himself. Everyone thinks the grass is always greener on the other side but it’s not. It’s the same soccer bull $hit no matter where you play. If your daughter is unhappy, not getting the playing time she deserves or not developing then it’s time to leave. Adults need to advocate for their children but leave their feelings out of it and think what’s best for the player.

well said.

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Its too late. The rays are already collapsed!

Name one recent change that makes you think the Rays are in decline.

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by only winning three state cups this year when the usually winning 7 or 8 that looks like a decline to me,

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Name one recent change that makes you think the Rays are in decline.

That was easy.....

2005 7 state cup championships
2006 8 state cup championships
2007 8 state cup championships
2008 3 state cup championships
2009 4 state cup championships
2010 3 state cup championships

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Name one recent change that makes you think the Rays are in decline.

The top talent in RI does not play for the Rays. 5 years ago ALL the top talent played for the Rays.

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The top talent in RI does not play for the Rays. 5 years ago ALL the top talent played for the Rays.

The top talent in RI plays in MA.

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That was easy.....

2005 7 state cup championships
2006 8 state cup championships
2007 8 state cup championships
2008 3 state cup championships
2009 4 state cup championships
2010 3 state cup championships

This looks very stable to me. Did the RI dilution of talent begin in 2008?

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The top talent in RI does not play for the Rays. 5 years ago ALL the top talent played for the Rays.

If all the top players played for the Rays then the State Cups had very little meaning. The fact that the State cups are being spread around sounds like a healthy system to me. Sure it means that RI will not field one dominant team than compete at the top regionally but locally it sounds fine.

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If all the top players played for the Rays then the State Cups had very little meaning. The fact that the State cups are being spread around sounds like a healthy system to me. Sure it means that RI will not field one dominant team than compete at the top regionally but locally it sounds fine.

And this is why RI Soccer sucks. If you want to be the "dominant team locally" play rec soccer for your town. I thought premier soccer was for those players who want to compete at the highest level and continue to play in college. if that's the case you have to be better than the "dominant team locally". This is why college coaches have such a poor opinion of players in RI.

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This looks very stable to me. Did the RI dilution of talent begin in 2008?

You think going from 7 or 8 state championships down to 3 looks stable??? Wow! Can you balance my checkbook?

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And this is why RI Soccer sucks. If you want to be the "dominant team locally" play rec soccer for your town. I thought premier soccer was for those players who want to compete at the highest level and continue to play in college. if that's the case you have to be better than the "dominant team locally". This is why college coaches have such a poor opinion of players in RI.

RI players are now not looked on kndly by college coaches. Must be because the Rays have "collapsed". It's become apparent that this anti-Rays poster does not know what he or she is talking about. You have answered one question for me though. I always wondered what happened to Cliff Clavin after Cheers went off the air. Now I know. He's a soccer commentator for Talkingsoccer .com.

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RI players are now not looked on kndly by college coaches. Must be because the Rays have "collapsed". It's become apparent that this anti-Rays poster does not know what he or she is talking about. You have answered one question for me though. I always wondered what happened to Cliff Clavin after Cheers went off the air. Now I know. He's a soccer commentator for Talkingsoccer .com.

that could be the funniest post ever on this site--unless maybe it is also true!!!! but it is still funny

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You think going from 7 or 8 state championships down to 3 looks stable??? Wow! Can you balance my checkbook?

Overall, yes. Having one dominant team is NOT good for any league. In fact it isn't any good for the dominant team. The only ones that benefit a dominant team are the stuck-up parents sipping their lattes on the sidelines. "oh my, look at Buffy dominate"

And yes 3 years at the same level is stable. And yes, I can balance your checkbook. What I probably won't be able to do is teach you to stop using obnoxious multiple question marks.

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Overall, yes. Having one dominant team is NOT good for any league. In fact it isn't any good for the dominant team. The only ones that benefit a dominant team are the stuck-up parents sipping their lattes on the sidelines. "oh my, look at Buffy dominate"

And yes 3 years at the same level is stable. And yes, I can balance your checkbook. What I probably won't be able to do is teach you to stop using obnoxious multiple question marks.

So spread the talent out (or drive it away to Mass) so everyone thinks they are good when the reality is they are not. So typical of today's world. Why don't you give everyone a trophy for just playing? Keep defending the Rays and your daughters team all you want. You know they have no shot outside RI. It's good that you have accepted it. You should have saved the $1000 you paid the Rays and played for town team.

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So spread the talent out (or drive it away to Mass) so everyone thinks they are good when the reality is they are not. So typical of today's world. Why don't you give everyone a trophy for just playing? Keep defending the Rays and your daughters team all you want. You know they have no shot outside RI. It's good that you have accepted it. You should have saved the $1000 you paid the Rays and played for town team.

I think we can safely close out this thread by simply acknowledging the obvious--whoever has been posting these negative thoughts about the Rays is simply a misinformed a**hole.

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I think we can safely close out this thread by simply acknowledging the obvious--whoever has been posting these negative thoughts about the Rays is simply a misinformed a**hole.

Or that this person has some insight to the way the Rays are managed and coached and you just don't want to admit that they are correct. Sometimes the truth hurts.

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Or that this person has some insight to the way the Rays are managed and coached and you just don't want to admit that they are correct. Sometimes the truth hurts.

The truth that hurts is that this "person" appears to be a member of the Rays organization and is demonstrating a sickening lack of loyalty by stabbing them in the back through anonymous posts. You are making a mockery of the Rays, of RI, and of yourself.

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So spread the talent out (or drive it away to Mass) so everyone thinks they are good when the reality is they are not. So typical of today's world. Why don't you give everyone a trophy for just playing? Keep defending the Rays and your daughters team all you want. You know they have no shot outside RI. It's good that you have accepted it. You should have saved the $1000 you paid the Rays and played for town team.

OK. You are an ex-Rays parent. Let me see. Who might it be????? Ugly, both inside and out. Who might it be???

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I think we can safely close out this thread by simply acknowledging the obvious--whoever has been posting these negative thoughts about the Rays is simply a misinformed a**hole.

I agree completely with this post: He is definitely misinformed.

We have been with the Rays since 2007, we have always said it was the coaching we are there for and not the “Organization”. We have not had to deal with anyone but our coaches and they are Phenomenal!! And we will stay with them as a team for as long as we can. It’s our girls as a group and our coaches that make us the team we are. We are VERY happy with them.

Here is a list of what they have accomplished as a team, we have won games against ALL the other premiere teams in RI and some of the teams in MA since we play in Maple and mostly play MA teams in Tournaments. We have never had a problem driving to be able to get the competition we need. So no matter what team you choose in RI you will be playing MA teams.

U12 USYS RHODE ISLAND STATE CUP CHAMPIONS 2010 (2nd Year in a Row)
WWIS INDOOR LEAGUE CHAMPIONS 2010
5th place in US Futsal Northeast Regional Championship 2010
MANSFIELD FUTSAL LEAGUE CHAMPIONS 2010
RHODE ISLAND FUTSAL STATE CUP CHAMPIONS 2010
MAPLE LEAGUE CHAMPIONS FALL 2009
NASHUA WORLD CUP COLUMBUS DAY TOURNAMENT CHAMPIONS 2009
YORKTOWN NY LABOR DAY TOURNAMENT CHAMPIONS 2009
TWIST TOURNAMENT FINALISTS 2009
COASTAL SUMMER CHALLENGE TOURNAMENT CHAMPIONS 2009
U12 (8v8) USYS RHODE ISLAND STATE CUP CHAMPIONS 2009
OCEANEERS FUTSAL LEAGUE 2ND SESSION CHAMPIONS 2009
OCEANEERS FUTSAL LEAGUE 1ST SESSION CHAMPIONS 2009
RHODE ISLAND FUTSAL STATE CUP CHAMPIONS 2009
MAPS/MSSL FALL SHOWCASE TOURNAMENT CHAMPIONS 2008
MAPLE DIVISION CHAMPIONS FALL 2008
BANDIT CUP LABOR DAY TOURNAMENT CHAMPIONS 2008
COASTAL SUMMER CHALLENGE TOURNAMENT CHAMPIONS 2008
CAPE COD CLASSIC MEMORIAL DAY TOURNAMENT CHAMPIONS 2008
OCEANEERS FUTSAL LEAGUE 2ND SESSION CHAMPIONS 2008
OCEANEERS FUTSAL LEAGUE 1ST SESSION CHAMPIONS 2008
RHODE ISLAND FUTSAL STATE CUP CHAMPIONS 2008
NASHUA LABOR DAY TOURNAMENT SEMI-FINALISTS 2007

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Oh yeah. And don't forget that we have a girl from MA now as well. If you play with good players, against good competition and have good coaching you are doing the right thing for your daughter. We have all three.

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Oh yeah. And don't forget that we have a girl from MA now as well. If you play with good players, against good competition and have good coaching you are doing the right thing for your daughter. We have all three.


Absolutely! We definitely have all 3!!

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And this is why RI Soccer sucks. If you want to be the "dominant team locally" play rec soccer for your town. I thought premier soccer was for those players who want to compete at the highest level and continue to play in college. if that's the case you have to be better than the "dominant team locally". This is why college coaches have such a poor opinion of players in RI.

Anyone with half a brain knows that any league with only one or two superteams is no good. If the system was not the way it is, noone would benefit. How would a team like the U15 Scorpions Elite be as good as they are if they did not have this pool of players (all playing premier) to cherry pick from? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe there are three RI girls on that SUPER TEAM!!! Of course RI cannot as a whole compete with clubs that are in states that have 5 times the pool of players to draw from. But like other small clubs, there are some teams in RI that are/have been very successful. You would have everyone believe that if you can't be on the best team out then why bother. RI teams have the advantage over MA teams in that it is much easier to get to STATE CUP CHAMPION in RI than it is in MA. The RI players on those teams have an opportunity to get noticed (individually if not as a team) at Regionals, whereas many of their MA counterparts on equal or even better teams may never ever get to play at the regional level.

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Anyone with half a brain knows that any league with only one or two superteams is no good. If the system was not the way it is, noone would benefit. How would a team like the U15 Scorpions Elite be as good as they are if they did not have this pool of players (all playing premier) to cherry pick from? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe there are three RI girls on that SUPER TEAM!!! Of course RI cannot as a whole compete with clubs that are in states that have 5 times the pool of players to draw from. But like other small clubs, there are some teams in RI that are/have been very successful. You would have everyone believe that if you can't be on the best team out then why bother. RI teams have the advantage over MA teams in that it is much easier to get to STATE CUP CHAMPION in RI than it is in MA. The RI players on those teams have an opportunity to get noticed (individually if not as a team) at Regionals, whereas many of their MA counterparts on equal or even better teams may never ever get to play at the regional level.



New to this board but I think you are mistaking Premier Soccer for Club Soccer. In Premier it's about the player. Yes you want to play on a good team but it's all about exposure to college coaches. Being able to win the State Cup every year because there is no competetion is not what Premier Soccer is about. If you are lucky to play on a great team and be noticed at tournaments is what Premier Soccer is all about. How do college coaches look at a player if they go to Regionals or to a tournament and the striker doesn't touch the ball because the team lost 5-0 or the ball never left the defensive end.

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New to this board but I think you are mistaking Premier Soccer for Club Soccer. In Premier it's about the player. Yes you want to play on a good team but it's all about exposure to college coaches. Being able to win the State Cup every year because there is no competetion is not what Premier Soccer is about. If you are lucky to play on a great team and be noticed at tournaments is what Premier Soccer is all about. How do college coaches look at a player if they go to Regionals or to a tournament and the striker doesn't touch the ball because the team lost 5-0 or the ball never left the defensive end.

Happen to Tidal Wave at their tournament. NEW COACH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Why doesn't RI use coaches from area colleges? There are some great schools in RI.

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Why doesn't RI use coaches from area colleges? There are some great schools in RI.

That is an excellent question and a great idea. College coaches would lend some credibility to the RI group. And a college coach would have a totally different outlook on what it is all about.

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All RI College coaches are on Bruno or Bayside staff and they only coach U15 boys and UP just not that many coaches willing to coach premier soccer in RI.

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Look hear is a little insight from the inside of the U-14 team.They play a constant game of boot and scoot, the defenders do not handle the ball and are told to kick it away, there is no transition and the ball only goes outside to the right. They sucked in regionals and only tied games because of constantly clearing the ball out of bounds and playing a ten men in the box. Just look at how many goals were scored what a joke! The coaching here is sub par in my eyes and he should go back to coaching rec. The practices consist of little to none for technical training and lately training has been a scrimmage and nothing more. As far as state cup they did not deserve to win Bayside played better soccer the whole game and took advantage of the Rays sloppy play.Stay away from this guy he is terrible and has taken the love of the game from quite a few girls in the time we have been there. You are better off with another RI team or in Mass before here!

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All RI College coaches are on Bruno or Bayside staff and they only coach U15 boys and UP just not that many coaches willing to coach premier soccer in RI.

No girls team have a college coach?

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Look hear is a little insight from the inside of the U-14 team.They play a constant game of boot and scoot, the defenders do not handle the ball and are told to kick it away, there is no transition and the ball only goes outside to the right. They sucked in regionals and only tied games because of constantly clearing the ball out of bounds and playing a ten men in the box. Just look at how many goals were scored what a joke! The coaching here is sub par in my eyes and he should go back to coaching rec. The practices consist of little to none for technical training and lately training has been a scrimmage and nothing more. As far as state cup they did not deserve to win Bayside played better soccer the whole game and took advantage of the Rays sloppy play.Stay away from this guy he is terrible and has taken the love of the game from quite a few girls in the time we have been there. You are better off with another RI team or in Mass before here!

That's the problem in RI is the sub-par coaching. It's not just Rays U-14. Take a look at the thread you will see problems with U-14,U-15 and up with Bruno,Tidal Wave and Bayside. The talent is there but the coaching is not, so RI will just bleed thier talent away to MA.

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Look hear is a little insight from the inside of the U-14 team.They play a constant game of boot and scoot, the defenders do not handle the ball and are told to kick it away, there is no transition and the ball only goes outside to the right. They sucked in regionals and only tied games because of constantly clearing the ball out of bounds and playing a ten men in the box. Just look at how many goals were scored what a joke! The coaching here is sub par in my eyes and he should go back to coaching rec. The practices consist of little to none for technical training and lately training has been a scrimmage and nothing more. As far as state cup they did not deserve to win Bayside played better soccer the whole game and took advantage of the Rays sloppy play.Stay away from this guy he is terrible and has taken the love of the game from quite a few girls in the time we have been there. You are better off with another RI team or in Mass before here!

I don't mean to barge into your Forum. My daughter plays on a Mass team, One of the few your Ray's U14's have beaten. And I agree with your skewed but accurate description. Even in a loss our team played better soccer from my point of view. The Rays were able to overpower our team but never really played what I consider a pretty game. It looks like there is absolutely no game plan other than going forward and stopping the opponent for scoring.

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By the way, Bayside lost to a team this weekend that the Rays beat in subregionals. This is a disgruntled parent making numerous posts. Instead of anonymously bashing the team and coach, leave.

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By the way, Bayside lost to a team this weekend that the Rays beat in subregionals. This is a disgruntled parent making numerous posts. Instead of anonymously bashing the team and coach, leave.

Okay coach sorry to hurt your feelings.

I can only comment on the Rays coaching since I don't know much about Bayside or Bruno but you can see from the style of play (kick and dump) that it is not very good from U17 down. Little to no true soccer knowledge on any of the coaching staffs

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Okay coach sorry to hurt your feelings.

I can only comment on the Rays coaching since I don't know much about Bayside or Bruno but you can see from the style of play (kick and dump) that it is not very good from U17 down. Little to no true soccer knowledge on any of the coaching staffs

And somehow you have all the "true" soccer knowledge. Being a blow-hard no it all is a lot different than true knowledge.

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And somehow you have all the "true" soccer knowledge. Being a blow-hard no it all is a lot different than true knowledge.

I love these responses. I want what's best for my kid. I want to put her in the nest possible position to get great coaching and exposure to play at the next level. The Rays are not it. I can face the facts that they have been in decline for several years and most likely will be gone in a few years. You are a parent you obviously cannot see hwat's going on or are a coach who continues to want to make parents think you know whats best for thier kid. Stay with the Rays.

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I love these responses. I want what's best for my kid. I want to put her in the nest possible position to get great coaching and exposure to play at the next level. The Rays are not it. I can face the facts that they have been in decline for several years and most likely will be gone in a few years. You are a parent you obviously cannot see hwat's going on or are a coach who continues to want to make parents think you know whats best for thier kid. Stay with the Rays.

ok. Where have you found the great coaching?

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Look hear is a little insight from the inside of the U-14 team.They play a constant game of fast attack offence, the defenders do not handle the ball too long and are told to quickly pass it forward, there is a fast transition and the ball goes quickly outside. They played great in regionals and only tied games because of their opponents constantly clearing the ball out of bounds and playing a ten men in the box. Just look at how many goals were scored against them, what a joke! The coaching here is on-par in my eyes and he makes other coaches look like they should go back to coaching rec. The practices consist of little to no wasted time and plenty of technical training. And lately training has included scrimmage too. As far as state cup they played even with Bayside. They played better soccer the whole game and took advantage of the some sloppy play. Don't stay away from this guy he has increased the love of the game from quite a few girls in the time we have been there. You won't better off with another RI team or in Mass before here!

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I guess if that is how you see it good for you to bad the original post is on the money and you are in denial that you skills are a coach are truly lacking!

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It is pretty comical listening to what is said in some of the earlier posts. First, coach why are you here defending what you believe on a forum instead of concentrating on a plan to develop your team? Second, maybe some of the parents here might actually have a point about how your team plays? Someone elses insight just might possibly open the door to something you may overlook and help the team in the goal to be successful. Let your assistant coach a game and have a seat on the bench and just watch what is happening during play keeping in mind the so called faults others may have brought up.

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It is pretty comical listening to what is said in some of the earlier posts. First, coach why are you here defending what you believe on a forum instead of concentrating on a plan to develop your team? Second, maybe some of the parents here might actually have a point about how your team plays? Someone elses insight just might possibly open the door to something you may overlook and help the team in the goal to be successful. Let your assistant coach a game and have a seat on the bench and just watch what is happening during play keeping in mind the so called faults others may have brought up.

Don't take this the wrong way but your plan of having an assistant coach oversee one game won't make any difference. Maybe after a month of practicing you might see a style change. I'm afraid that what you see as the bad habits you would like to eliminate will be too ingrained to change in a single game. You also have to be able to accept the possible painful transition period. In the end there is more than one way to play this game. Just watch the pro's for a weekend.

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Look hear is a little insight from the inside of the U-14 team.They play a constant game of boot and scoot, the defenders do not handle the ball and are told to kick it away, there is no transition and the ball only goes outside to the right. They sucked in regionals and only tied games because of constantly clearing the ball out of bounds and playing a ten men in the box. Just look at how many goals were scored what a joke! The coaching here is sub par in my eyes and he should go back to coaching rec. The practices consist of little to none for technical training and lately training has been a scrimmage and nothing more. As far as state cup they did not deserve to win Bayside played better soccer the whole game and took advantage of the Rays sloppy play.Stay away from this guy he is terrible and has taken the love of the game from quite a few girls in the time we have been there. You are better off with another RI team or in Mass before here!

Sounds like this might be a frustrated parent--maybe his daughter is not getting the playing time that mom and dad think she deserves. If I were trying out for soccer in RI, I would go with the U14 Rays team. Which other RI teams played better than the Rays in subregional? Maybe you should take some tips from those coaches to see where the Rays could improve.

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Sounds like this might be a frustrated parent--maybe his daughter is not getting the playing time that mom and dad think she deserves. If I were trying out for soccer in RI, I would go with the U14 Rays team. Which other RI teams played better than the Rays in subregional? Maybe you should take some tips from those coaches to see where the Rays could improve.

Funny, everybody looks at the record of how a team does instead of looking at what really matters. That is your child developing into a truly good player. Playing to win at any cost as the Rays do is not helping anybody but the coaching staff look good on paper.Also, this is not world cup, but U-14 soccer most of these kids on any team are not even close to being a complete player and will not be until they are out of college. Besides all of this no college coaching is even looking at a U-14 team at this time regardless of what league you are playing in, so lets see where they are come a U-16-17 at a college showcase tournament? You need a team with good technical development to help foster the basic skills which many of the rays players are seriously lacking. Trying out for more than one team is certainly a healthy thing to do as well, this exposes your child to more coaching styles when they are young helping them to develop into a more rounded player.

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Funny, everybody looks at the record of how a team does instead of looking at what really matters. That is your child developing into a truly good player. Playing to win at any cost as the Rays do is not helping anybody but the coaching staff look good on paper.Also, this is not world cup, but U-14 soccer most of these kids on any team are not even close to being a complete player and will not be until they are out of college. Besides all of this no college coaching is even looking at a U-14 team at this time regardless of what league you are playing in, so lets see where they are come a U-16-17 at a college showcase tournament? You need a team with good technical development to help foster the basic skills which many of the rays players are seriously lacking. Trying out for more than one team is certainly a healthy thing to do as well, this exposes your child to more coaching styles when they are young helping them to develop into a more rounded player.

Another very strange post from the disgruntled Rays parent. Now the Rays are playing to win at any cost? But I thought in previous posts your complaint was that they weren't good enough to win. And now the coaching staff looks good on paper? I thought you said in previous posts that they were a horrible coaching staff? It is clear that you have a daughter playing for the Rays and she is probably not keeping up with the other players. For you, my friend, I would suggest taking your own advice. Try out for some other teams for next year so you can open up a roster spot for a player that can compete in subregionals and in all of the other tournaments that the Rays have done quite well in over the years. I don't see any other RI girls teams competing at the same level, but it sounds like those other teams are at least big on skills development, which is probably what you are in need of at this time.

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Another very strange post from the disgruntled Rays parent. Now the Rays are playing to win at any cost? But I thought in previous posts your complaint was that they weren't good enough to win. And now the coaching staff looks good on paper? I thought you said in previous posts that they were a horrible coaching staff? It is clear that you have a daughter playing for the Rays and she is probably not keeping up with the other players. For you, my friend, I would suggest taking your own advice. Try out for some other teams for next year so you can open up a roster spot for a player that can compete in subregionals and in all of the other tournaments that the Rays have done quite well in over the years. I don't see any other RI girls teams competing at the same level, but it sounds like those other teams are at least big on skills development, which is probably what you are in need of at this time.

agree the poster should leave the Rays as it is obvious that they are unhapy with the team and probably vice versa

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U14 Rays beat Bayside in Maple and in SC playoffs and also beat Bruno. They tied Western United, Alleycats Lynx, Patriots, as well as some other strong teams in subregional. They also finished very well in the Scorpion Bowl in the top bracket, second to the Stars. They lost to Bayside in PKs for the SC final, but overall, wouldn't a reasonable person conclude that the Rays are the leader of the pack in RI girls soccer for the U14 bracket? Wouldn't that same reasonable person recommend that a player considering trying out for premier soccer at least entertain trying out for the Rays?

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U14 Rays beat Bayside in Maple and in SC playoffs and also beat Bruno. They tied Western United, Alleycats Lynx, Patriots, as well as some other strong teams in subregional. They also finished very well in the Scorpion Bowl in the top bracket, second to the Stars. They lost to Bayside in PKs for the SC final, but overall, wouldn't a reasonable person conclude that the Rays are the leader of the pack in RI girls soccer for the U14 bracket? Wouldn't that same reasonable person recommend that a player considering trying out for premier soccer at least entertain trying out for the Rays?

Again the coach trying to defend his team!

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This bit of insanity is coming from a person/parent not just disappointed in the style of play or coaching. But someone that thought that their daughter would suddenly shine once out from under the shadow of two previous good Rays's players. Well that didn't happen. If anything it exposed her flaws and worse than that there are other shadows. So this person now needs someone or something to blame for the lack of stand-out performance. Hence the tunnel vision exposure of their own obsessions. They are definitely going elsewhere for next season and maybe it will be a better fit. I wish them well.

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This bit of insanity is coming from a person/parent not just disappointed in the style of play or coaching. But someone that thought that their daughter would suddenly shine once out from under the shadow of two previous good Rays's players. Well that didn't happen. If anything it exposed her flaws and worse than that there are other shadows. So this person now needs someone or something to blame for the lack of stand-out performance. Hence the tunnel vision exposure of their own obsessions. They are definitely going elsewhere for next season and maybe it will be a better fit. I wish them well.

This is the best response to the disgruntled Rays parent that has yet been posted. To the disgruntled parent--you really think PS would waste his time on this site? You shouldn't be on this site either. You really ought to be researching when the tryouts are for the other RI teams that would be a better fit for you.

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This is the best response to the disgruntled Rays parent that has yet been posted. To the disgruntled parent--you really think PS would waste his time on this site? You shouldn't be on this site either. You really ought to be researching when the tryouts are for the other RI teams that would be a better fit for you.

Please don't tryout for Bayside! I think I stood next to this individual during the state cup final match. From what I saw, the rays played a solid game. No one on our team expected to have an easy game, and we didn't. How can anyone walk away from a game that goes down to the wire, with your team's players not giving up, and then turn around and savage your entire organization from the coach to the players to the organization on this website? SO again, please avoid Bayside. We would rather have Joran van der Sloot than a scumbag like yourself.

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Ray are the strongest though those ages. Bayside is in the mix. BW not bad either.

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Ray are the strongest though those ages. Bayside is in the mix. BW not bad either.

Rays seem to have the strongest GU13-14 teams. SOme Bayside players will be playing with rays beofre the end of this spring season. I don't knwo where rays will play next year maple div 1 or 2.

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Rumor has it the assistant coach for BW is taking 5 to 6 player to try out for scorps any truth to that.

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who is the asst coach?

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The lady there with her daughter who is also on the Mass ODP pool. rumors circulating at ryder over the weekend.

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LOL Just cause you wear Adidas Studs doesn't make you a coach. Just another SC deal to keep a team together letting a parent coach with no history. But the girl can play ball no question. I wonder if she will coach at SSC?

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Rays seem to have the strongest GU13-14 teams. SOme Bayside players will be playing with rays beofre the end of this spring season. I don't knwo where rays will play next year maple div 1 or 2.

Both Bayside U13 and 14s play better soccer then rays I dont think anyone will be leaving Bayside. In fact I hear that some rays players are already guest playing with Bayside.

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Both Bayside U13 and 14s play better soccer then rays I dont think anyone will be leaving Bayside. In fact I hear that some rays players are already guest playing with Bayside.

Mr "T", Why are you playing this game? Your daughter is a good player. I hope she likes Bayside. Afterall, this is a game our kids play. It's not supposed to be a game you play.

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Both Bayside U13 and 14s play better soccer then rays I dont think anyone will be leaving Bayside. In fact I hear that some rays players are already guest playing with Bayside.

I think you have that reversed. SOme bayside players are playing with the rays in a non-premier tournment this coming weekend Not aware of any rays players coming over to us on 13 or 14

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I think you have that reversed. SOme bayside players are playing with the rays in a non-premier tournment this coming weekend Not aware of any rays players coming over to us on 13 or 14

Correct--no rays players on Bayside in any age group. Some Bayside players playing as GUESTS with rays u14 but implies no move to actually try and become part of the rays team next year as far as i know.

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I think you have that reversed. SOme bayside players are playing with the rays in a non-premier tournment this coming weekend Not aware of any rays players coming over to us on 13 or 14

Wont they need some kind of release to play for the rays?

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Wont they need some kind of release to play for the rays?

Simple enough. Why do you ask.

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Mr "T", Why are you playing this game? Your daughter is a good player. I hope she likes Bayside. Afterall, this is a game our kids play. It's not supposed to be a game you play.

Mr."T" is not the disgruntled poster. Any gripes that he has had have gone directly to the top.

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Mr."T" is not the disgruntled poster. Any gripes that he has had have gone directly to the top.

Every parent on the rays that might read these posts knows exactly who the disgruntled parent (parents) is (are).

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Every parent on the rays that might read these posts knows exactly who the disgruntled parent (parents) is (are).

Certainly, there is a disgruntled parent on here posting. However, assuming it is a certain individual is wrong. Yes, I do come here and read some of the posts occasionally but seldom do I post anything. Airing my feelings out on a forum about what I think of the team is unneccasary now and in the future. And to answer the question of me being disgruntled, dissapointed a little this year maybe, but not disgruntled.

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Good luck to Bayside in WV


Good luck to Rays in NJ

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In looking for a U12 girls team I noticed that Bayside has a tryout listed for a maple division 1 team. There was no listing for that team in U11 this pass spring. Does anyone know if this is a new team or did they play elsewhere before? Also I thought that fall placement was based on spring play for this age group.

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The bayside U12 team is the former Explosion u11 team Coach took the whole team and went to Bayside.

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The bayside U12 team is the former Explosion u11 team Coach took the whole team and went to Bayside.

Sounds like a good model for developing a club. What happens if they get relegated, do they get kicked out of the club, and replaced by a team from another club? Better yet, Bayside should hold a tournament/tryout. The winning teams get to join the club each year

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I find it interesting in reading these posts that there is no mention of the NE Wave. The Wave just completed its 2nd year and is founded by the dean of NCAA women's soccer coachhes, Brown's Phil Pincince. MY daughter has been playing for the Wave for 2 years and I can tell you the coaching has been phenomenal.

And an fyi regarding the debate over RI State Cups - the RI State Cup has been devalued tremendously by the brain-dead, "support-the-mediocre" members of Soccer-RI when in March they passed rules limiting releases to non-SRI clubs AND blocking non-SRI clubs from participating in RI State Cup play even when such clubs have more than 50% of its players from RI.

From now on, call it the RI Fake Cup.

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I find it interesting in reading these posts that there is no mention of the NE Wave. The Wave just completed its 2nd year and is founded by the dean of NCAA women's soccer coachhes, Brown's Phil Pincince. MY daughter has been playing for the Wave for 2 years and I can tell you the coaching has been phenomenal.

And an fyi regarding the debate over RI State Cups - the RI State Cup has been devalued tremendously by the brain-dead, "support-the-mediocre" members of Soccer-RI when in March they passed rules limiting releases to non-SRI clubs AND blocking non-SRI clubs from participating in RI State Cup play even when such clubs have more than 50% of its players from RI.

From now on, call it the RI Fake Cup.


So I take it you would recommend the club? Why was the coaching so phenomenal? Aside from the fact that the head coach is a college coach. Please elaborate.

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Phil himself didn't coach my daughter's team, his Brown assistant Dennis did. My daughter learned tons from Denis, her level of play improved signifcantly over the past 2 years. Her confidence on the field also grew. He had a great way with the girls and was passionate without being overbearing.

Based on my conversations with other parents of other NE Wave teams, they experienced the same thing. The teams are very competitive - I'd put them a notch below the Rays in terms of on-the-field performance. I can tell you in U12 pool play, the Wave gave all the Rays they could handle before losing on a late, late goal, 1-0. Unfortunately, the Wave is barred from further RI State Cup play in 2011 due to the rules-happy SRI board.

Hey, for my daughter it's a good fit. And in youth travel sports today, you can't ask for much more.

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Phil himself didn't coach my daughter's team, his Brown assistant Dennis did. My daughter learned tons from Denis, her level of play improved signifcantly over the past 2 years. Her confidence on the field also grew. He had a great way with the girls and was passionate without being overbearing.

Based on my conversations with other parents of other NE Wave teams, they experienced the same thing. The teams are very competitive - I'd put them a notch below the Rays in terms of on-the-field performance. I can tell you in U12 pool play, the Wave gave all the Rays they could handle before losing on a late, late goal, 1-0. Unfortunately, the Wave is barred from further RI State Cup play in 2011 due to the rules-happy SRI board.

Hey, for my daughter it's a good fit. And in youth travel sports today, you can't ask for much more.


Ok, I was at that same U12 pool game you talk about. When you know you have no chance of playing with a team, you play 9 back in the box and pray for a counter-attack goal. It almost worked, even though the Rays dominated and outplayed Wave on both sides of the ball. When they met again at finals, the Wave tried the same 9 players in the box strategy, except that time it didn't quite work as well (4-0 I believe the score was). Once they gave up the first goal they were forced to play and the Rays picked them apart, dominated possession and outclassed them. I will say that Wave played a better game than BW. We played them with our defenders up top and our forwards on defense and picked them apart way too easily for a team "competing" for state cup.

One more thing, after the SC Final, that wonderful coach for Wave you talk about thought it was a classy idea to tell the team that just beat him 4-0 that they need to finish their opportunities and score when they get the chance (as he was looking directly at the Rays Coaches). I think a simple applause and "job well done" would have been more appropriate. Great turnout at try-outs btw this week and last, not sure about the rest of the club all that much, but next year's U-13 Rays team will be tough for any other RI team to deal with, as usual.

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I find it interesting in reading these posts that there is no mention of the NE Wave. The Wave just completed its 2nd year and is founded by the dean of NCAA women's soccer coachhes, Brown's Phil Pincince. MY daughter has been playing for the Wave for 2 years and I can tell you the coaching has been phenomenal.

And an fyi regarding the debate over RI State Cups - the RI State Cup has been devalued tremendously by the brain-dead, "support-the-mediocre" members of Soccer-RI when in March they passed rules limiting releases to non-SRI clubs AND blocking non-SRI clubs from participating in RI State Cup play even when such clubs have more than 50% of its players from RI.

From now on, call it the RI Fake Cup.

The Wave is a poor excuse for a soccer club. It is a last resort for players in RI. Phil Pincince, the dean of NCAA women's soccer hasn't done anything in the Ivy league in over 10 years. The Wave was setup so he could make money. No toher reason. he doesn't recruit RI players so why have a club in RI? Waste of money

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The Wave is a poor excuse for a soccer club. It is a last resort for players in RI. Phil Pincince, the dean of NCAA women's soccer hasn't done anything in the Ivy league in over 10 years. The Wave was setup so he could make money. No toher reason. he doesn't recruit RI players so why have a club in RI? Waste of money

Why aren't then a SRI club?

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Why aren't then a SRI club?

Why aren't THEY a SRI club?

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Good question. I don't know the entire story, but there was some bad blood that existed several years ago between the 2 parties. Don't know all the details and really don't care to.

But like many other RI-based premier clubs, the Wave simply chose to register with Mass Youth Soccer. Mass Youth Soccer is a much more user-friendly organization that doesn't bog itself down with rules regarding club acceptance, league sanctioning, coach licensing, etc. You simply register your club, register your players, join a league and play. They encourage new clubs to be formed.

In short, Mass Youth Soccer is a much easier organization for a new club to work with. SRI just has way too many rules, period. The SRI crew is a very insulated group who is more about protecting its member clubs and associations than about opening up opportunities for kids to play more soccer.

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Good question. I don't know the entire story, but there was some bad blood that existed several years ago between the 2 parties. Don't know all the details and really don't care to.

But like many other RI-based premier clubs, the Wave simply chose to register with Mass Youth Soccer. Mass Youth Soccer is a much more user-friendly organization that doesn't bog itself down with rules regarding club acceptance, league sanctioning, coach licensing, etc. You simply register your club, register your players, join a league and play. They encourage new clubs to be formed.

In short, Mass Youth Soccer is a much easier organization for a new club to work with. SRI just has way too many rules, period. The SRI crew is a very insulated group who is more about protecting its member clubs and associations than about opening up opportunities for kids to play more soccer.

Probably a tough balance. Without clubs and associations kids don't get to play either. If a team wants to compete in the state cup then being a member of SRI can't be that difficult.

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Unfortunately, becoming a member of SRI is and has been historically very, very difficult.

The process of becoming a member of SRI is arduous. First, you apply. Then, the SRI Board must give pre-approval - which is not easy since Board members are usually affiliated with existing clubs and town associations. If an applicant gets pre-approval from the Board, the next step is a vote of the entire existing membership. Typically, the existing membership (current SRI clubs and town associations) does not want to lose kids to a new club, so they vote against the applicant. It's happened over and over again.

For years, clubs like Lusitana tried to get into SRI but were refused. So, they simply registered with Mass Youth Soccer and played in Massachusetts leagues.
Being a member of SRI isn't necessary for RI kids to play soccer. In fact, SRI's past-president Larry Fish wrote a wonderfully enlightened farewell letter in last year's "Center Circle" newsletter espousing the virtues of "open soccer" registration, just like Mass Youth Soccer offers. The new prez campaigned on the ideas of lessening SRI restrictions, but ultimately has fallen into the "old boy" network of protecting the mediocity of existing SRI clubs and associations, ignoring the notoin that competition breeds performance.

The latest rule adopted by SRI in March now limits the number of releases SRI will grant a non-SRI team to 5 releases - which contradicts its own by-laws which read that no SRI club or association can refuse a release request (SRI has so many rules it can't even keep track of them!). Starting in 2011, SRI will not allow a team to play for the RI State Cup unless it is an SRI member even if more than 50% of its members are RI residents, which will decrease the level of competition down to nothing, especially on the girls side.

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So can one then draw the conclusion that the member of the SRI board that is from Tidal Wave does not like the fact that the NE Wave is in his backyard competing for the same kids?

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Hey, whatever conclusions you can draw - feel free to draw them!

Bottom line - if SRI keeps protecting its existing members from new competition, where's the incentive for existing clubs and associations to improve?

My own observation over the past few years is that SRI is completely out of touch with what RI parents want for their kids' soccer experience. SRI shouldn't have to keep constructing obstacles to keep RI kids within SRI clubs and associations. If SRI clubs and associations were doing what RI parents wanted them to do, so many RI parents wouldn't be taking their kids to Mass Youth Soccer clubs.

Parents want choices, i.e. how much does the club cost? who is the club's coach? what league does the club play in? etc. SRI limits choices.

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Ok, I was at that same U12 pool game you talk about. When you know you have no chance of playing with a team, you play 9 back in the box and pray for a counter-attack goal. It almost worked, even though the Rays dominated and outplayed Wave on both sides of the ball. When they met again at finals, the Wave tried the same 9 players in the box strategy, except that time it didn't quite work as well (4-0 I believe the score was). Once they gave up the first goal they were forced to play and the Rays picked them apart, dominated possession and outclassed them. I will say that Wave played a better game than BW. We played them with our defenders up top and our forwards on defense and picked them apart way too easily for a team "competing" for state cup.

One more thing, after the SC Final, that wonderful coach for Wave you talk about thought it was a classy idea to tell the team that just beat him 4-0 that they need to finish their opportunities and score when they get the chance (as he was looking directly at the Rays Coaches). I think a simple applause and "job well done" would have been more appropriate. Great turnout at try-outs btw this week and last, not sure about the rest of the club all that much, but next year's U-13 Rays team will be tough for any other RI team to deal with, as usual.


I am not a big Rays fan, but I must admit that the u12 group mentioned above is an outstanding team, they have a ton of talent. Their challenge will be to try and keep the team together as they rise through the age groups

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Totally agree-the Rays are the best U12 girls team in the state. Excellent goalkeeper, btw.

They will win the newly watered-down state cup for years to come. The only RI-based team to give them a challenge this spring has been banned from competing in further state cups.

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Totally agree-the Rays are the best U12 girls team in the state. Excellent goalkeeper, btw.

They will win the newly watered-down state cup for years to come. The only RI-based team to give them a challenge this spring has been banned from competing in further state cups.

Why were they baned?

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Not for doing anything wrong...just because the Wave is registered with Mass Youth Soccer, not Soccer-RI. The new SRI rules dictate that in order to play in the RI State Cup tournament, the team must be part of a SRI member club, which the NE Wave is not, regardless what the % of RI residents are on that team's roster.

It's ridiculous because 100% of the Wave's U12 team are RI residents (in fact, all but 1 player is from Cumberland). SRI won't accept the Wave as a member club, so,l starting next year, they can't play in the state cup.

SRI thinks its doing its member clubs a favor by creating these rules. But, in fact, they're just encouraging SRI clubs to remain mediocre at best.

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Not for doing anything wrong...just because the Wave is registered with Mass Youth Soccer, not Soccer-RI. The new SRI rules dictate that in order to play in the RI State Cup tournament, the team must be part of a SRI member club, which the NE Wave is not, regardless what the % of RI residents are on that team's roster.

It's ridiculous because 100% of the Wave's U12 team are RI residents (in fact, all but 1 player is from Cumberland). SRI won't accept the Wave as a member club, so,l starting next year, they can't play in the state cup.

SRI thinks its doing its member clubs a favor by creating these rules. But, in fact, they're just encouraging SRI clubs to remain mediocre at best.

Better off in Mass anyway

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At this point, who cares about the state cup any more. If SRI wants to water down US Youth Soccer's NCS, whattya gonna do?

What will be more interesting is to see if SRI will be able to enforce its new "5 release limit per non-SRI team" policy this fall. It's this new rule that smacks of restraint of trade. My guess is that all it would take is one letter from a lawyer for SRI to realize how assinine their approach is.

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Please explain

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Easy to explain - SRI has a new rule that says it will grant no more than 5 releases per team to RI residents who play for an out of state club. Meaning: if the Massachusetts FC has 6 girls from RI on their U12 team roster, SRI will only grant 5 of those girls releases. The 6th girl is out of luck.

It's SRI's new way of trying to force RI kids to play for SRI clubs.

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Easy to explain - SRI has a new rule that says it will grant no more than 5 releases per team to RI residents who play for an out of state club. Meaning: if the Massachusetts FC has 6 girls from RI on their U12 team roster, SRI will only grant 5 of those girls releases. The 6th girl is out of luck.

It's SRI's new way of trying to force RI kids to play for SRI clubs.

That's ridiculous.

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Easy to explain - SRI has a new rule that says it will grant no more than 5 releases per team to RI residents who play for an out of state club. Meaning: if the Massachusetts FC has 6 girls from RI on their U12 team roster, SRI will only grant 5 of those girls releases. The 6th girl is out of luck.

It's SRI's new way of trying to force RI kids to play for SRI clubs.

Sounds more like SRI thinks they own the kids. Perhaps they can be branded like cattle so everyone knows they are from RI

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Not for doing anything wrong...just because the Wave is registered with Mass Youth Soccer, not Soccer-RI. The new SRI rules dictate that in order to play in the RI State Cup tournament, the team must be part of a SRI member club, which the NE Wave is not, regardless what the % of RI residents are on that team's roster.

It's ridiculous because 100% of the Wave's U12 team are RI residents (in fact, all but 1 player is from Cumberland). SRI won't accept the Wave as a member club, so,l starting next year, they can't play in the state cup.

SRI thinks its doing its member clubs a favor by creating these rules. But, in fact, they're just encouraging SRI clubs to remain mediocre at best.

you can't register with both?

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On what grounds do they justify that? Whoever thought that rule up is a fool. That wouldnt stand up to any court challenge

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can an SRI team compete for MA State Cup? just wondering

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Easy to explain - SRI has a new rule that says it will grant no more than 5 releases per team to RI residents who play for an out of state club. Meaning: if the Massachusetts FC has 6 girls from RI on their U12 team roster, SRI will only grant 5 of those girls releases. The 6th girl is out of luck.

It's SRI's new way of trying to force RI kids to play for SRI clubs.

If this is true this is just another example of why SRI cares more about SRI than they do the players. SRI is pissed because some very good players from U13 to U18 have decided to play in Mass becasue the soccer in RI does not met thier needs. so this is how they are going to try and stop it. They are going to make matetrs worse for themselves. Here is anovel idea. Fix the level of soccer in RI and the kids will stay on thier own.

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you can't register with both?

This is a good question.

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A fix for this stupid SRI rule would be for Mass Youth Soccer to simply stop requiring releases for RI kids to play on Mass clubs.

The release is only to ensure that parents understand that their kid is not insured by SRI insurance. To get around the rule, all Mass Youth Soccer needs to do is have a parent sign a form which acknowledges that Mass Youth Soccer is providing insurance for their child even though that child lives in RI.

Yes, SRI thinks they OWN all RI kids who play soccer. If you ever talked with one of the SRI officials about this topic, you wouldn't believe how out of touch they are with their own constituency. They make more and more rules. It's like they are East Germans building the Berlin Wall to keep their citizens from fleeing East Germany. How'd that work out?

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Any scores from Region 1 tournament yet? Are there any RI teams down there that hhave a chance to win anything?

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Wrong thread

Go to Region 1 website

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Easy to explain - SRI has a new rule that says it will grant no more than 5 releases per team to RI residents who play for an out of state club. Meaning: if the Massachusetts FC has 6 girls from RI on their U12 team roster, SRI will only grant 5 of those girls releases. The 6th girl is out of luck.

It's SRI's new way of trying to force RI kids to play for SRI clubs.

Can SRI really do this? Do they think that the Dad of the 6th RI girl who makes a Mass team is going to just say "oh, I guess you can't play for Mass FC because Soccer-RI says so..."

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You tell me. Personally I think they're idiots for even trying. What nerve to try to dictate to parents where their kids hhave to play soccer. "You vill play for SRI clubs!"

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why don't you stay on the ma forum because people are sick of you cutting ri soccer. Not everyone wants to drive to ma for soccer and there are good coaches and players in ri.



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