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    Tryout Season

    Looking for info and advice.

    Has anyone had any success in bartering with places like STA, MF, PSA, PDA on delaying of accepting a spot? Does having talent make this possible? Does it matter more by position?
    Which clubs require the full monetary commitment as part of acceptance contract?

    I have noticed the trend of moving up tryouts to now late march in the case of STA, PSA and MF still haven't seen anything for PDA, CSA or NJ Premier. It looks like they are just all trying to get to the talent pool first and make you commit and then from what I have read they don't necessarily honor that commitment.

    It seems to me that talent recruitment has become much more important than actual development at most these clubs. I am interested to know how much leverage does parent have with a very talented child and is it in her best interests to tryout at a number of places? I have seen some of the most established clubs end up adding girls to top team as late as August.

    Child will be U12, still very young. No college aspirations so not league dependent decision. Open minded to being at a better town club and investing time and money into other training options as well. Anyone know of a super coach for the 09 girls age bracket in central or northern nj? Would rather have her develop over time and see what she is capable of in a few more years but worry about developing speed on the ball in the meantime. The more established clubs seem to have the faster pace of play and more aggressive girls. She plays top flight now and not dissatisfied with current club but not overly impressed either.

    Just seems to be there has to be someone doing this well somewhere.

    #2
    If they really want her to be a part of the team, they will work with you to make it happen, regardless of any pre-conceived timeline, which is just to put pressure on parents into making a financial commitment.

    If all they care about is x commitment by x date, then they're probably the wrong choice

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      #3
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      If they really want her to be a part of the team, they will work with you to make it happen, regardless of any pre-conceived timeline, which is just to put pressure on parents into making a financial commitment.

      If all they care about is x commitment by x date, then they're probably the wrong choice
      what's that conversation look like? just undecided? want to look at all alternatives? find the best home for her?

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        #4
        If you’re lucky to find a good alternative to those clubs take advantage of it, but you’ll have to do your research. Reach out to teams and attend training sessions, communicate with the coaches as getting a good feel there is important as well.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
          Looking for info and advice.

          Has anyone had any success in bartering with places like STA, MF, PSA, PDA on delaying of accepting a spot? Does having talent make this possible? Does it matter more by position?
          Which clubs require the full monetary commitment as part of acceptance contract?

          I have noticed the trend of moving up tryouts to now late march in the case of STA, PSA and MF still haven't seen anything for PDA, CSA or NJ Premier. It looks like they are just all trying to get to the talent pool first and make you commit and then from what I have read they don't necessarily honor that commitment.
          IMO It is no surprise or coincidence that MF, PSA and STA have already announced tryout dates and have early than usual tryout dates. Together as a group they are also organizing a league (Alliance). Maybe it is a way to scare parents into making commitments to make commitments and for the clubs to get revenue from large "non-refundable" deposits. It is one of the unfortunate results from a non-regulated youth soccer business. The industry has No set standards of practice and no independent rating system that can grade clubs based on different criteria. Our local town club has previously announced and held tryouts on dates and times to directly compete with the larger for profit club for "talent" and players.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            IMO It is no surprise or coincidence that MF, PSA and STA have already announced tryout dates and have early than usual tryout dates. Together as a group they are also organizing a league (Alliance). Maybe it is a way to scare parents into making commitments to make commitments and for the clubs to get revenue from large "non-refundable" deposits. It is one of the unfortunate results from a non-regulated youth soccer business. The industry has No set standards of practice and no independent rating system that can grade clubs based on different criteria. Our local town club has previously announced and held tryouts on dates and times to directly compete with the larger for profit club for "talent" and players.
            Your child, speaking to parent with U-12, is better off staying and building chemistry with your own town club. Then, do those extra things: clinics, ODP, and East Region. If your girl can't make East Region, then you have your answer as to how she will do at academies.

            There's a thread on PSA, PSA is NOT an academy. Do not put them in with MF or STA. NJ Premier is NOT an academy. Do not put that in with them.

            What should you do as a parent? The girl should take the ball everywhere. Rather than spend money on the stupid stuff, she needs to play. Pick-up games with boys are the best. If a girl is strong enough for a boys' team, at her age, it is better to keep her there.

            Read a BIO on Messi, Ronaldo and Mia Hamm. They tell you the formula for smashing the opposition. And the formula is NOT giving all these businesses your money.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
              Your child, speaking to parent with U-12, is better off staying and building chemistry with your own town club. Then, do those extra things: clinics, ODP, and East Region. If your girl can't make East Region, then you have your answer as to how she will do at academies.

              There's a thread on PSA, PSA is NOT an academy. Do not put them in with MF or STA. NJ Premier is NOT an academy. Do not put that in with them.

              What should you do as a parent? The girl should take the ball everywhere. Rather than spend money on the stupid stuff, she needs to play. Pick-up games with boys are the best. If a girl is strong enough for a boys' team, at her age, it is better to keep her there.

              Read a BIO on Messi, Ronaldo and Mia Hamm. They tell you the formula for smashing the opposition. And the formula is NOT giving all these businesses your money.
              thanks for feedback very helpful. She does RDS in her age group with all boys usually ratio of 15-1 or 14-2 boy to girls. This seems to be where she develops the most. Definitely gets challenged with speed of play at those sessions

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                #8
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                If they really want her to be a part of the team, they will work with you to make it happen, regardless of any pre-conceived timeline, which is just to put pressure on parents into making a financial commitment.

                If all they care about is x commitment by x date, then they're probably the wrong choice
                Absolutely correct. If your kid is a superstar, she can join any month of the year. If your kid is not a superstar, you have to make that commitment to pay in May, then if you want to switch probably pay another club's full fees.

                a) Make sure you pay with a credit card if you'd ever want to claw money back
                b) Dont think of switching clubs that play in the same league (some clubs will not release the player card)

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  Absolutely correct. If your kid is a superstar, she can join any month of the year. If your kid is not a superstar, you have to make that commitment to pay in May, then if you want to switch probably pay another club's full fees.

                  a) Make sure you pay with a credit card if you'd ever want to claw money back
                  b) Dont think of switching clubs that play in the same league (some clubs will not release the player card)
                  Couple more things to add:

                  Dont go to the tryouts, go to practices and have your kid give you feedback:
                  - chemistry
                  - training drills
                  - placement on the team (position, starter vs bench etc)

                  Most teams do tryouts via guest practices, and allow you to get better feedback from the coach.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    what's that conversation look like? just undecided? want to look at all alternatives? find the best home for her?
                    The truth, you are looking for the best environment for your child to develop, and you will give yourself the most options before making that decision.

                    A club and coach worthy of the word 'development', will completely understand, and keep in contact with you throughout your process.

                    Don't let yourself be pressured by any of them.

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                      #11
                      Well said, the more pressured (especially early in the process) the more worried you should be.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        There's a thread on PSA, PSA is NOT an academy. Do not put them in with MF or STA. NJ Premier is NOT an academy. Do not put that in with them.
                        Since Watchung Elite trainers (Dutch Total Soccer) moved from there to NJ Premier wouldn't they be considered an Academy now?

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          Since Watchung Elite trainers (Dutch Total Soccer) moved from there to NJ Premier wouldn't they be considered an Academy now?
                          Coaches or trainers leaving one club for another does not make it an academy :-)

                          http://www.ussoccerda.com/faq

                          Specifically, cut and pasted from the website:

                          How do I join the Development Academy?

                          For Players:

                          The Development Academy invites all players who seek to be an elite player and compete at the highest competitive levels to join a DA team. The DA program consists of many member youth clubs across the country.

                          For a player to join the DA, they will need to contact the club they are interested in joining and ask about the club's identification process. Find a club near you with club contact information in the DA Club Map.

                          For Clubs:

                          All member clubs participating in the Development Academy meet the high standards for training and game environments set forth by the Academy to ensure players are developing their skills in an elite environment.

                          Club Development oversees youth clubs across the country and continuously evaluate performance of DA and non-DA clubs year-round.

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                            #14
                            https://www.sjebrush.org/talentid

                            ID Sessions starting on 2/29? No official tryouts, invitation only? Someone's trying a little to hard to make the DA seem "exclusive" and trying to lock in players early.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              https://www.sjebrush.org/talentid

                              ID Sessions starting on 2/29? No official tryouts, invitation only? Someone's trying a little to hard to make the DA seem "exclusive" and trying to lock in players early.
                              Tryouts are counter productive. Even if my kid's team would turn over 5 players in a season only 1-2 would come in through a tryout.

                              I remember some coaches at that age group (U12) coming to see the kids play on a travel or club team to see if they would invite them to a practice.

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