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    Athletes and College Recruiting

    As Lori Laughlin heads to court soon there's been renewed coverage of the Varsity Blues scandal. Some interesting info in this piece

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...ec0_story.html

    To learn more about the athletic factor, The Post surveyed the top 50 national universities and top 25 liberal arts colleges as ranked by U.S. News & World Report. Most declined to reveal how many recruited athletes they admit, and some denied having any slots for athletic admission.

    [See data on college athletes from the Post survey and a federal database]

    “We do not set aside slots for athletes,” the University of Florida said.

    “Athletics does not have any set aside admission slots,” Emory University said.

    However, insiders say selective colleges often use slots — or numeric caps or targets — to track the number of admission offers linked to the recommendations of athletic coaches. “You’re counting them,” said one former college president, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the issue’s sensitivity. “Enumerating them. Otherwise, if you don’t enumerate them, it gets totally out of control.”

    The counts are high at some liberal arts schools. At Williams, Bowdoin and Amherst colleges, federal data shows at least 30 percent of students are Division III athletes. That share is much higher than the share of total admission offers that go to recruited athletes, for two reasons. First, athletes enroll at a much higher rate than others offered admission. Second, some walk onto teams without being recruited.

    An Amherst report released in 2017 found the college lets in 67 recruits a year whose athletic prowess weighed “prominently” in the admission decision. The college also admits another 60 to 90 applicants a year whom coaches for the Amherst Mammoths recommend as excellent athletes. Taken together, those two groups account for at least 10 percent of annual admission offers and as much as a third of a typical incoming class.

    There are about 20 unrecruited “walk-on” athletes per class, the report found, but they usually don’t get much playing time and often drop the sport after their first year."

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    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
    As Lori Laughlin heads to court soon there's been renewed coverage of the Varsity Blues scandal. Some interesting info in this piece

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...ec0_story.html

    To learn more about the athletic factor, The Post surveyed the top 50 national universities and top 25 liberal arts colleges as ranked by U.S. News & World Report. Most declined to reveal how many recruited athletes they admit, and some denied having any slots for athletic admission.

    [See data on college athletes from the Post survey and a federal database]

    “We do not set aside slots for athletes,” the University of Florida said.

    “Athletics does not have any set aside admission slots,” Emory University said.

    However, insiders say selective colleges often use slots — or numeric caps or targets — to track the number of admission offers linked to the recommendations of athletic coaches. “You’re counting them,” said one former college president, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the issue’s sensitivity. “Enumerating them. Otherwise, if you don’t enumerate them, it gets totally out of control.”

    The counts are high at some liberal arts schools. At Williams, Bowdoin and Amherst colleges, federal data shows at least 30 percent of students are Division III athletes. That share is much higher than the share of total admission offers that go to recruited athletes, for two reasons. First, athletes enroll at a much higher rate than others offered admission. Second, some walk onto teams without being recruited.

    An Amherst report released in 2017 found the college lets in 67 recruits a year whose athletic prowess weighed “prominently” in the admission decision. The college also admits another 60 to 90 applicants a year whom coaches for the Amherst Mammoths recommend as excellent athletes. Taken together, those two groups account for at least 10 percent of annual admission offers and as much as a third of a typical incoming class.

    There are about 20 unrecruited “walk-on” athletes per class, the report found, but they usually don’t get much playing time and often drop the sport after their first year."
    Any college with NCAA athletic teams that says they don’t set aside spots is totally full of sh*t. NCAA rules spell out the number of scholarship spots per sport. Maybe not every spot is funded at every school, but the majority are.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
      Any college with NCAA athletic teams that says they don’t set aside spots is totally full of sh*t. NCAA rules spell out the number of scholarship spots per sport. Maybe not every spot is funded at every school, but the majority are.
      D3 doesn’t have scholarships.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
        D3 doesn’t have scholarships.
        Athletes make up a much larger % of D3 schools b/c the colleges field about as many teams, but with only a fraction of the enrollment. So the impact or presence of athletes is greater (for better or worse).

        Also, since no athletic scholarships are offered, students instead get (or could get) merit or need aid which can be "better" because they're not year to year nor tied to remaining in the sport.

        But a D3 sport won't ever be on TV, unless ESPN gets to ESPN 11. I did see cornhole a few weeks ago so maybe?

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          #5
          This is news? Colleges have sports teams and they need athletes to play on them is news?

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            #6
            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
            This is news? Colleges have sports teams and they need athletes to play on them is news?
            Agree.

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              #7
              Athletes don’t play D3, students do.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                D3 doesn’t have scholarships.
                ok keep believing that, ever heard of a leadership award?

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                  ok keep believing that, ever heard of a leadership award?
                  No, and neither has the NCAA obviously

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                    No, and neither has the NCAA obviously
                    Well that makes two people that don't know.....

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                      Well that makes two people that don't know.....
                      So you’re saying that D3 schools are handing out purely athletic aid?

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                        So you’re saying that D3 schools are handing out purely athletic aid?
                        have to be in the range of acceptable scores, but 100% yes

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                          have to be in the range of acceptable scores, but 100% yes
                          You need to be more precise. There are certain schools in certain D3 conferences where merit aid can come into play, where leadership scholarships and the like can be available. That's NOT the case everywhere, and they are illegal in certain D3 conferences. If you cannot be precise, DON'T post on this site, as you are only adding to the misinformation that makes it hard for families to make good decisions.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                            You need to be more precise. There are certain schools in certain D3 conferences where merit aid can come into play, where leadership scholarships and the like can be available. That's NOT the case everywhere, and they are illegal in certain D3 conferences. If you cannot be precise, DON'T post on this site, as you are only adding to the misinformation that makes it hard for families to make good decisions.
                            Yes, sir, Mr. Precision! What decision are parents making looking at this thread? Whether to bribe the coach or cancel their Washington Post subscription?

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Unregistered View Post
                              have to be in the range of acceptable scores, but 100% yes
                              The is NO "purely athletic aid" in D3. And any merit aid has to have a major tie to academic credentials. A real talent may break a tie but you don't get merit aid because you are a stud soccer recruit who actually needs a bit of help (or a lot) getting admitted.

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